Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Magnolia]

How about Haroldman or Heraldman?

I found..... Humberto Geerman   Palm Beach 112
               Anna R. J. Geerman   Palm Beach 114

[Anna]

I'm not sure it matters at this point since Mos has absolutely no intentions of doing anything based on what this witness said.  Still would be nice to know what the connection is to WLC and why the desperate urging to Dave Holloway to just fly down and claim the body so many times, etc.

Once again, the pond appears to have yielded nothing just as it did a year ago when searched for Jose Tromp while bone dry.

Was this all just a big show and if so for what purpose? 

[AZSunny]

How about Haroldman or Heraldman?

I found..... Humberto Geerman   Palm Beach 112
               Anna R. J. Geerman   Palm Beach 114

OK,  Now I am confused.  Palm Beach is the road the restaurant and bank is on, is that where the witness house was?  I thought it was to the left of the soccer field on the map shown, on a side residential street.   

[AZSunny]

Kermit,  are they searching a second pond now?? 

[Anna]

A REMINDER


LOGIC DICTATES - NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »  

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880
 
 
private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #655 on: March 01, 2008, 06:07:48 PM »
 
Either something grand has happened or something mighty dirty just happened. You don't spend that much money to identify targets that you are not going to search. Why get Beth and Dave's hopes up, find probable targets allegedly, and then go, with very little warning, oops, we cannot afford to search afterall? Why does Chaney fly in at midnight the day before the Persistence pulls out? Coincidental? Silveti and Chaney are both active in the Houston area. Bush and Silveti the same plus the same business interests. Why Ocean EX would interject himself in the cage as he did last night? Why is Joran suddenly in a mental hospital?

And now that they have identified the locations of the targets, with the Aruban police force on board, they are retiring from the search, with guess who now in the know. And what is funny, is it was Oceans Ex fear that we might give some secrets away. Hell, the coverup people already have the secrets, first hand from the horse themselves.

Something grand had to have happened. If not, then this was the cruelest hoax of yet.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358544#msg358544


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

BUMP

PI knew exactly what was happening and so I suspect did Beth as well.

[Anna]

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4061&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda for natalee holloway door of fred golba prolonga till another week monday now

wednesday, 01 april 2009 oranjestad – fred golba cu his cacho will continua cu his buskeda for restonan of natalee holloway at least one week more. this good morning aruba owing to compronde for of the agent of search & rescue foundation ruben croes. according croes at good morning aruba, yesterday enberdad the buskeda have to owing to termina but owing to dicidi cu is stay at least till monday another week. croes owing to show cu they owing to haci palabracionnan much cla cu golba y ministerio publico y company on paper, first cu they can owing to cuminsa give asistencia. according croes is on peticion of ministerio publico cu the aid owing to wordo give. “nos does not is envolvi in nothing cu is danja name of aruba” croes owing to subraya at good morning aruba. so cu they see cu the asunto here is achieve one buelta negative for aruba in form of interview tendencioso cu bad informacion, search & rescue will owing to stop cu they asistencia. for thing is the asistencia self, for of week happen they're yudando golba y his cacho, in asistencia cu personal y equipment for thing is the buskeda at the dam of monserat. owing to achieve several cos but nothing of referencia for thing is the caso holloway self. owing to help cu pomp, manpower, y also trahando drip y more asunto. “no owing to achieve nothing of interes” croes owing to sigura. the buskeda will aggrandize for more ‘pond’ at aruba but do not conoci still where exact they will continua cu the buskeda. y search & rescue will continua cu the buskeda also till monday proximo. the asunto pendiente is if cu fred golba have to achieve aprobacion y fondo of father of natalee holloway esta dave holloway for so the can financia his estadia y the remainder of the buskeda. the buskeda oficial of the dam at monserat owing to inicia monday day 23 of march ultimo on peticion of the dave holloway cu owing to send fred golba cu his cacho for aruba. they owing to busca all in the dam, but not owing to succeed achieve nothing. the areglo y permisonan necesario owing to wordo give door of gobierno of aruba y ministerio publico, cu the affirmation cu the asunto will not owing to leave for of hand in form cu prensa mericano will owing to apodera of we island once more y percura for her noticianan negative consecuente. golba not had mag of talk cu prensa in the dianan inicial on peticion of hans mos y dolfi richardson, for cual the la respeta the peticion here also. golba owing to show much reserva in declaracionan haci after y owing to show at several ocacion cu the does not nothing bad for aruba y because; such the does not for his buskeda for natalee holloway become one circus as cu was the caso in pasado. come across

Is Rudy or Ruben threatening to withdraw the help of Search and Rescue if anything negative is said about Aruba or the media is involved?

Guess they don't know we won't believe a word that is said AFTER the fact given their past performance.

[Magnolia]

How about Haroldman or Heraldman?

I found..... Humberto Geerman   Palm Beach 112
               Anna R. J. Geerman   Palm Beach 114

OK,  Now I am confused.  Palm Beach is the road the restaurant and bank is on, is that where the witness house was?  I thought it was to the left of the soccer field on the map shown, on a side residential street.   

I am not positive, but....I think the street that the witness lives on is Palm Beach.
If you look at the map, the street kinda ends at the soccer field coming from the beach area.

[Tamikosmom]

I'm not sure it matters at this point since Mos has absolutely no intentions of doing anything based on what this witness said.  Still would be nice to know what the connection is to WLC and why the desperate urging to Dave Holloway to just fly down and claim the body so many times, etc.

Once again, the pond appears to have yielded nothing just as it did a year ago when searched for Jose Tromp while bone dry.

Was this all just a big show and if so for what purpose?  

To distract from the contents of the trap which was retrieved unchallenged by the Arubans compliments of John Silvetti.  I worked and ... again Dave Holloway was used as a means to further the Aruban agenda.

Janet


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.
 
Kyle Kingman:  I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally do not feel we should disregard the trap or it's contents until we know how that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were IMO. 




Edit per Tamikosmom's request

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas ... mods

Please delete duplicate quote in the above post.

Thanks

Janet


Done.  YW Janet.

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER


LOGIC DICTATES - NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S UNCLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »  

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880
 
 
private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #655 on: March 01, 2008, 06:07:48 PM »
 
Either something grand has happened or something mighty dirty just happened. You don't spend that much money to identify targets that you are not going to search. Why get Beth and Dave's hopes up, find probable targets allegedly, and then go, with very little warning, oops, we cannot afford to search afterall? Why does Chaney fly in at midnight the day before the Persistence pulls out? Coincidental? Silveti and Chaney are both active in the Houston area. Bush and Silveti the same plus the same business interests. Why Ocean EX would interject himself in the cage as he did last night? Why is Joran suddenly in a mental hospital?

And now that they have identified the locations of the targets, with the Aruban police force on board, they are retiring from the search, with guess who now in the know. And what is funny, is it was Oceans Ex fear that we might give some secrets away. Hell, the coverup people already have the secrets, first hand from the horse themselves.

Something grand had to have happened. If not, then this was the cruelest hoax of yet.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358544#msg358544


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

BUMP

PI knew exactly what was happening and so I suspect did Beth as well.

Anna ... Logic dictates.

 

Janet

[texasmom]

For Janet: 

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.

Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

[AZSunny]

How about Haroldman or Heraldman?

I found..... Humberto Geerman   Palm Beach 112
               Anna R. J. Geerman   Palm Beach 114

OK,  Now I am confused.  Palm Beach is the road the restaurant and bank is on, is that where the witness house was?  I thought it was to the left of the soccer field on the map shown, on a side residential street.   

I am not positive, but....I think the street that the witness lives on is Palm Beach.
If you look at the map, the street kinda ends at the soccer field coming from the beach area.

Do you mean the street going up vertically, rather than horizontally...right?

[AZSunny]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.

yes...me too please!  I see the pond!

Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

[AZSunny]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.


Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

yes...me too please!  I see the pond!  (sorry Janet, it won't happen again)

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.


Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

yes...me too please!  I see the pond!  (sorry Janet, it won't happen again)

You are one up on me AZSunny.  I don't see the pond.

 

Janet

[texasmom]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.

Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

(1) the pond (first one Golba searched) is just below the soccer field...you can see it best in the middle picture.

(2) I'm not positive which house is the witness house, sorry.

(3) I'm not sure where McDonald's is...I may not have captured it in these shots.  The map that Buckeye provided the link for is huge.  I think you had to scroll to the left for McDonald's so if it is in any of the pics I posted it is more than likely in the 2nd or third pic.

Sorry I can't be of more help, I'm just not a map person.....

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.

Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

(1) the pond (first one Golba searched) is just below the soccer field...you can see it best in the middle picture.

(2) I'm not positive which house is the witness house, sorry.

(3) I'm not sure where McDonald's is...I may not have captured it in these shots.  The map that Buckeye provided the link for is huge.  I think you had to scroll to the left for McDonald's so if it is in any of the pics I posted it is more than likely in the 2nd or third pic.

Sorry I can't be of more help, I'm just not a map person.....

Neither am I.

 

texasman ... why am I having problems accessing Buckeye's map?  Is there another link?

Thank you.

Janet

[texasmom]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.

Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

(1) the pond (first one Golba searched) is just below the soccer field...you can see it best in the middle picture.

(2) I'm not positive which house is the witness house, sorry.

(3) I'm not sure where McDonald's is...I may not have captured it in these shots.  The map that Buckeye provided the link for is huge.  I think you had to scroll to the left for McDonald's so if it is in any of the pics I posted it is more than likely in the 2nd or third pic.

Sorry I can't be of more help, I'm just not a map person.....

Neither am I.

 

texasman ... why am I having problems accessing Buckeye's map?  Is there another link?

Thank you.

Janet

I don't know why you can't access the map.  Maybe Google Earth is required?

[texasmom]

Thank you texasmom.

I am having difficulty reading the map.

Could you please mark X"

1. Pond
2. Witness House
3.  McDonalds

Could you please highlight the street the witness resides.

Sorry for being such a pain.

Janet

(1) the pond (first one Golba searched) is just below the soccer field...you can see it best in the middle picture.

(2) I'm not positive which house is the witness house, sorry.

(3) I'm not sure where McDonald's is...I may not have captured it in these shots.  The map that Buckeye provided the link for is huge.  I think you had to scroll to the left for McDonald's so if it is in any of the pics I posted it is more than likely in the 2nd or third pic.

Sorry I can't be of more help, I'm just not a map person.....

Neither am I.

 

texasman ... why am I having problems accessing Buckeye's map?  Is there another link?

Thank you.

Janet

I don't know why you can't access the map.  Maybe Google Earth is required?

Sorry, I forgot to add....I don't know of another link.  Hopefully someone who is better with maps will stop by and help you. 

The map at the link can go from the ocean on one side of the island...to the ocean on the other side of the island...lots of room to get lost in between.