Me personally.I will word it a bit stronger!Any forum that continues to entertain CapsLockGizard without calling him on his bullSh_T is not for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..That is my opinion!You can not continue to listen to someone so full of Sh_T and not have it all over yourself...Posters have been provided with enough information in regards to CapsLockGizzard and what he entails..DISINFORMATION!!!
Hey ... both Mum and SS at one point woke up in regards to the purpose of Cap's presence on the SM Natalee Holloway forum Caps ... the purpose to distract but ... then went back to sleep. Why?
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning. That's when Tim said "it looks like a skull". The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th. Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February. Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?
They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search. Viola! Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond. The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble. All of the evidence disappeared. The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse. There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral. Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »1. Silvetti's businesses were in trouble. He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia. He needed money.
2. He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.
3. Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor. Doing those scans costs lots of money.
4. He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area. He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.
5. Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing. By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.
6. Natalee was found in the end of December. Oh no, what can he do? He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman. So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #726 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »I agree with you, Janet. I thought a lot about it last night, after I finally had to turn my computer off and just think. In his heart, I'm sure that Tim Miller believed what he had seen or he wouldn't have said, Bull$hit with the thumbs down. However, he had no control over all of that pphotographic equipment and perhaps he was only being shown what they wanted him to see. There was a very good reason why they had to get him off of Persistence before January 7th. I don't think that Dave or Tim would have gone to Nicaragua if they didn't think it was a viable lead. I wonder if ALE are the ones who set it all up as another one of their infamous diversion tactics
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »Blue Moon - great reference! I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore. Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor. Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years. I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand??? They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage. There are photographs to prove the lie. Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen. If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th. He knew what was in the cage. Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe. I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE. Tim has to have figured out what happened. I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th. He knew what was in the cage. Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe. I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE. Tim has to have figured out what happened. I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #678 on: December 06, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »I don't think anything would surprise me at this point. This story is getting sicker by the day. How could they just hand all of that evidence over to ALE and deny that they had found anything??? And, sit silently by when our FBI was sent a piece of nothing?
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Dialogue - SS and Tamikosmom:Quote from: SS on November 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PMI have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do. If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone. ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers. Unfortunately, that isn't what happened. The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group. When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream. These actions are beyond explanation or justification.
Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PMI wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.
Thanks SS.
Janet
SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all. I am so sorry for going at you. I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257MUMINOHIO - MAY, 2008MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!
He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.
All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!
I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.
I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »SS…let me ask you one question…
If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?
Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!
You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!
I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.
All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!
I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!
And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!
And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!
I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!
There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »Well I guess we are all frustrated today!
I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.
You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!
I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.
I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.
Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.
I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says. Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….
JMHO
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »... as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.
When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.
A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.
An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.
I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.
Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…
I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.
Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.
Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.
This is why I ask questions…
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.
Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.
Enjoy the Tango!
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.
Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.
I am not going to respond any further on the subject.
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Dialogue - MumInOhio and Tamikosmom:
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS. You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed. Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.
However ... you backtracked. Mum ... it is so important to me. I want to know why?
Sincerely, Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL
Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.
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