Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Tamikosmom]

Is Hotshot a spokesperson for Dave Holloway or ... is it her way of subtlely underminding the mother of Natalee Holloway and ... upholding the Aruban agenda.  Something akin to Caps one of his first submissions to the SM Front Page Comments.

I cannot comprehend the difference between a movie that is a reminder to Americans that a corrupt Aruban investigation has denied Dave's precious daughter justice since May 30, 2005 and ... a book authored by Dave himself titled "Aruba: Corruption in Paradise."

Janet


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Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2009, 09:15:29 AM »

Beth is a very good woman, don't get me wrong, but what is OK with her doesn't mean the rest of the family is OK with it.  The movie coming out is one of those things.  Dave soesn't want the lifetime movie.  He says enough is enough, "Thats my little girl".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617348;topicseen#msg617348

ANOMINO AKA CAPLOCKWIZARD?


Does the following post reveals that Anomino/CapsLockWizard has an an obvious obvious adherece to the Aruban agenda ... the ATA/AHATA agenda ... the Mark Purcell agenda ... the Julia Renfro agenda and ... the Rene Gielen agenda of undermining Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation but sparing Dave Holloway?

Does the following post reveal that Anomino/Caps uphold agendas that cast doubt on the Mountain Brook students ... agendas adhered to by all of the above?

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Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

#22  Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.

Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.

I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.

As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case.  You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?

Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.

There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.

Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.

I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.

But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.

Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?

The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.

The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.

Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.

Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.

Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?

“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”

How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.

If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.

Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.

Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.

This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.

Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something

A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?

Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,
or is it this question

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

Credit: Lifesong

[Tamikosmom]

Upholding Dave Holloway's cooperation with the enemy and ... subtley undermining the mother of Natalee Holloway seems to a very common tactic on the Gold Monkey's forum by protical monkeys.

In my opinion ... Natalee Holloway's desperate father is being dispicably used/deceived as a means to afford credibility to the Aruba agenda ... an agenda that does not adhere to the prevailing of justice for his precious daughter.

Janet

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Casa
Re: Natalee's Body Found??
« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2009, 10:31:02 pm »

Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
By Patrick Hurley (bio)

In 2005, a young lady from Mountain Brook, Alabama, disappeared in Aruba after getting into a car with three local boys outside a bar called Carlos and Charlie’s. Her name was Natalee Holloway. Since then, there have been massive searches for her and endless speculation on her fate. To no avail. The main suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot, is a pathological liar who has changed his story of the night of Natalee’s disappearance at least seven times. He was the final person to see Natalee on that fateful night. The final conclusion is that she will never be found alive again. The story now is the valiant effort of a father’s love still hoping to find his little girl. Against all odds, Dave Holloway is mounting a last ditch effort to recover the body of his beloved daughter by hiring a man and his dogs to scour a pond where a witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot that night with a missing shoe in the vicinity of the pond. It is a long shot. It is likely nothing new will be found. That is not the point.

How do you measure a father’s love for his child? You don’t. It is infinite and eternal. It lasts forever. From the moment you hold your baby in your arms you are hooked beyond emotional reason. The only thing that will stop Dave Holloway from searching for his lovely Natalee is for him to stop breathing. Until that final moment comes, he will not give up. Never. This is not an obsession, this is what parental commitment should be. In a society that has difficulty keeping families together, Dave Holloway is an inspiration to all of us. He is the shining star of why God instituted the family unit in the first place.

The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise. Finally, after much cajoling from her mother and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along. Now, he has to use them in an effort to recover her body. Had she listened to him, she would be at the University of Alabama studying to become a doctor. Of such small decisions, tragedies find their way into a family’s life.

If you are religious, I ask you to pray especially hard this week for him and his search. As a dad, I cannot imagine the pain he has gone through and the depth of determination he possesses to make things right for his Natalee. From the moment he said yes to her it has been an ongoing nightmare that has not ended.

Ask God for it to be resolved.

So a father can finally find peace.

He has suffered enough.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/

[klaasend]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54762.php

[wreck]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54762.php

There is no such thing as a "free lunch", SARFA!!!! 

[klaasend]

It is being reported at BFN that Fred is back home now and the search is over. 

[AZSunny]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54762.php

There is no such thing as a "free lunch", SARFA!!!! 

How shallow can they be to bring up something like that?  Why didn't the 'beautiful' island of Aruba find a hotel/restaurant to donate lunches to their "own" SARFA??  It is all too sad. 

[wreck]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54762.php

There is no such thing as a "free lunch", SARFA!!!! 

How shallow can they be to bring up something like that?  Why didn't the 'beautiful' island of Aruba find a hotel/restaurant to donate lunches to their "own" SARFA??  It is all too sad. 

They need to "bill" Capslockwizard -- he's the one that spear-headed the wild goose chase!

[Kat_Gram]

Oh for crying out loud ! How much was LUNCH ?
WTHeck will they whine about next ?

[Blue Moon]

Oh for crying out loud ! How much was LUNCH ?
WTHeck will they whine about next ?

How about the Movie on Lifetime?  Betcha we will hear lots of whining then.

[Artcolley]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54762.php

There is no such thing as a "free lunch", SARFA!!!! 

How shallow can they be to bring up something like that?  Why didn't the 'beautiful' island of Aruba find a hotel/restaurant to donate lunches to their "own" SARFA??  It is all too sad. 

They need to "bill" Capslockwizard -- he's the one that spear-headed the wild goose chase!

Yes, and maybe his "groupies" would all chip in too 

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_54762.php

There is no such thing as a "free lunch", SARFA!!!! 

How shallow can they be to bring up something like that?  Why didn't the 'beautiful' island of Aruba find a hotel/restaurant to donate lunches to their "own" SARFA??  It is all too sad. 

Exactly!!!

It is Aruba's investigation.  Natalee Holloway went missing on Aruban soil.  Therefore it is Aruba that should be footing the bill for the current search if they choose to get involved.

It has been over a year since the witness came forward and ... Aruba has not taken the initiative to the search the pond for anything Natalee Holloway related ... even when it was dry.

Why did Aruba get involved with the current search by Fred Golba?  If there was an expectation that Dave Holloway would underwrite expenses outside of his agreement with Fred Golba ... a contract is where it is at.

Janet

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January 6, 2009
Press Anouncement

Hans Mos:

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/
 

[2NJSons_Mom]

It is being reported at BFN that Fred is back home now and the search is over. 

There was one report posted here, that said he'd be leaving on Wednesday, so I guess maybe there was a smidgeon of truth in that...

texasmom,

it as somewhat strange to see Marianne Croes as spokesperson for Valero....

[2NJSons_Mom]

OT....

Our 80ish neighbor just came and rang the doorbell while I was typing my last post.  She locked herself out of her house.  She has never rang our doorbell in 34 years, though we always call and ask her if she needs anything.!  Her husband is in a nursing home, so she's alone.  She said maybe she was just distracted because her BIL died today....we shared that we'd had a bad week, as well.  Our sons just left to help her and gave up the hockey game they were watching with their Dad. 

There has to be a reason that these things all come to be.  No riddle intended.   

[Tamikosmom]

It is being reported at BFN that Fred is back home now and the search is over. 

 

The negative outcome of the current search was a given from the getgo.  Considering  Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his sonar search of the pond and ... the realization that the pond was dry in May, 2008 ... the only way that evidence which was Natalee Holloway case related would be discovered at the bottom of that pond would be if the contents retrieved from trap were planted by those attempting to bring about a simple closure to the case ... a closure that would only implicate Joran van der Sloot who was a minor on May 30, 2005.

However ... the Aruban "powers that be" had to scrap that agenda.  Obviously ... Kyle Kingman's own words as well as the ROV images splattered all over the internet was not anticipated.

Janet

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THE MONSERAT POND

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: There are 18 targets. Two are definitely tires.  The rest, who knows. It's likely tin cans, mud clumps, and debris. There is one small box-like target but it's only 2ft across and doesn't have much relief, unless it's completely sunk into the mud (likely). I can find something about the size of a hockey puck with that system in good conditions. The water was very shallow when this survey was done. Remember, in February 2006 the pond was almost dry.
 
Kyle Kingman:  I haven't talked to John since he left for Aruba. I don't see why or how they need John to search the pond unless they were hell bent at only searching the pond for the targets I picked, which is obsurd since the pond is empty.

Kyle Kingman:  I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.  The witness claims to have seen a muddy Joran coming out of the Monserat pond after disposing of her body…The 40+ investigators brought in from Holland never stepped foot in the pond.

[BUCKSHOT]

A lot of tidbits learned in the first week or so after May 31, 2005 contained facts.

Anyone else share this feeling with me?

After that, it was known by all to clam up about any details. Disinformation was their method(s).

[Tamikosmom]

OT....

Our 80ish neighbor just came and rang the doorbell while I was typing my last post.  She locked herself out of her house.  She has never rang our doorbell in 34 years, though we always call and ask her if she needs anything.!  Her husband is in a nursing home, so she's alone.  She said maybe she was just distracted because her BIL died today....we shared that we'd had a bad week, as well.  Our sons just left to help her and gave up the hockey game they were watching with their Dad. 

There has to be a reason that these things all come to be.  No riddle intended.   

Thank you for sharing 2NJSons.

There will be other hockey games.  Assisting and supporting each other when the road gets rough in this journey called life is what it is all about.

God Bless.

Janet

[texasmom]

Upholding Dave Holloway's cooperation with the enemy and ... subtley undermining the mother of Natalee Holloway seems to a very common tactic on the Gold Monkey's forum by protical monkeys.

In my opinion ... Natalee Holloway's desperate father is being dispicably used/deceived as a means to afford credibility to the Aruba agenda ... an agenda that does not adhere to the prevailing of justice for his precious daughter.

Janet

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Casa
Re: Natalee's Body Found??
« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2009, 10:31:02 pm »

Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
By Patrick Hurley (bio)

In 2005, a young lady from Mountain Brook, Alabama, disappeared in Aruba after getting into a car with three local boys outside a bar called Carlos and Charlie’s. Her name was Natalee Holloway. Since then, there have been massive searches for her and endless speculation on her fate. To no avail. The main suspect in the case, Joran van der Sloot, is a pathological liar who has changed his story of the night of Natalee’s disappearance at least seven times. He was the final person to see Natalee on that fateful night. The final conclusion is that she will never be found alive again. The story now is the valiant effort of a father’s love still hoping to find his little girl. Against all odds, Dave Holloway is mounting a last ditch effort to recover the body of his beloved daughter by hiring a man and his dogs to scour a pond where a witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot that night with a missing shoe in the vicinity of the pond. It is a long shot. It is likely nothing new will be found. That is not the point.

How do you measure a father’s love for his child? You don’t. It is infinite and eternal. It lasts forever. From the moment you hold your baby in your arms you are hooked beyond emotional reason. The only thing that will stop Dave Holloway from searching for his lovely Natalee is for him to stop breathing. Until that final moment comes, he will not give up. Never. This is not an obsession, this is what parental commitment should be. In a society that has difficulty keeping families together, Dave Holloway is an inspiration to all of us. He is the shining star of why God instituted the family unit in the first place.

The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise. Finally, after much cajoling from her mother and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along. Now, he has to use them in an effort to recover her body. Had she listened to him, she would be at the University of Alabama studying to become a doctor. Of such small decisions, tragedies find their way into a family’s life.

If you are religious, I ask you to pray especially hard this week for him and his search. As a dad, I cannot imagine the pain he has gone through and the depth of determination he possesses to make things right for his Natalee. From the moment he said yes to her it has been an ongoing nightmare that has not ended.

Ask God for it to be resolved.

So a father can finally find peace.

He has suffered enough.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/

Janet,
I also posted the above article here at SM.  Not because I agreed with EVERYTHING it said, but because it did make a point that I think does apply to Dave Holloway regarding losing Natalee.  That point is;

"How do you measure a father’s love for his child? You don’t. It is infinite and eternal. It lasts forever. From the moment you hold your baby in your arms you are hooked beyond emotional reason. The only thing that will stop Dave Holloway from searching for his lovely Natalee is for him to stop breathing. Until that final moment comes, he will not give up. Never. This is not an obsession, this is what parental commitment should be. In a society that has difficulty keeping families together, Dave Holloway is an inspiration to all of us. He is the shining star of why God instituted the family unit in the first place."

It wasn't stated in the above article but the same applies to Beth and is the reason she too will never give up.  

I won't speak for casa and her intent, but mine was not to in any way undermine Beth.  There aren't words that can express how I feel about Beth, how much I admire her courage, strength, and tenacity in this situation.  I don't find as much written about Dave and liked how the author described him regarding Natalee's loss. With the pond search ongoing at his request, for his peace of mind; I thought it was appropriate so I posted it.  My apologies if anyone was offended by it.

As far as Dave finally giving in and allowing Natalee to go on the trip....

I believe what was written in Dave's book about Natalee's trip.  This is what it says;

Page 4 of ARUBA by Dave Holloway with R. Stephanie Good and Larry Garrison

In February 2005, Natalee called me and asked permission to go on a trip to Aruba with her graduating class.  This is apparently a rite of passage for teenagers all over the country.  They convince their parents to allow this one-time privilege as a gift for all of their hard work, and parents often agree, even when their instincts tell them otherwise.  I was apprehensive about Natalee taking this trip, and I tried to talk her out of it.  I did not like the idea of her traveling that far away with so many other students and so few chaperones.

When I received the trip brochure I saw that the cost was approximately $985.  Robin and I are from the old school, and we felt that was a bit extravagant for a high school graduation trip.  After a few days of consideration, I told Natalee that we could not approve of the trip for two reasons:  it was too extravagant, and we did not think it was appropriate.  However, I told her that I would give her a graduation gift of half the amount of the cost of the trip for her to do with as she pleased.  Since Natalee’s step-brother had been to Aruba with his class two years earlier, and her twin cousins were graduating with her class and were going along with her this year, Beth felt comfortable allowing Natalee to make the trip.

[Keepthefaith]

It is being reported at BFN that Fred is back home now and the search is over. 

 

The negative outcome of the current search was a given from the getgo.  Considering  Kyle Kingman's own words regarding his sonar search of the pond and ... the realization that the pond was dry in May, 2008 ... the only way that evidence which was Natalee Holloway case related would be discovered at the bottom of that pond would be if the contents retrieved from trap were planted by those attempting to bring about a simple closure to the case ... a closure that would only implicate Joran van der Sloot who was a minor on May 30, 2005.

However ... the Aruban "powers that be" had to scrap that agenda.  Obviously ... Kyle Kingman's own words as well as the ROV images splattered all over the internet was not anticipated.

Janet

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THE MONSERAT POND

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: There are 18 targets. Two are definitely tires.  The rest, who knows. It's likely tin cans, mud clumps, and debris. There is one small box-like target but it's only 2ft across and doesn't have much relief, unless it's completely sunk into the mud (likely). I can find something about the size of a hockey puck with that system in good conditions. The water was very shallow when this survey was done. Remember, in February 2006 the pond was almost dry.
 
Kyle Kingman:  I haven't talked to John since he left for Aruba. I don't see why or how they need John to search the pond unless they were hell bent at only searching the pond for the targets I picked, which is obsurd since the pond is empty.

Kyle Kingman:  I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.  The witness claims to have seen a muddy Joran coming out of the Monserat pond after disposing of her body…The 40+ investigators brought in from Holland never stepped foot in the pond.

QUIT BEING LOGICAL JANET..YOUR CONFUSING CaplocksGizzard and his followers!

[Tamikosmom]

Oh for crying out loud ! How much was LUNCH ?
WTHeck will they whine about next ?

How about the Movie on Lifetime?  Betcha we will hear lots of whining then.

It has already started from those who uphold Dave Holloway and undermine Natalee Holloway's mother ... those who adhere to the AHATA agenda.

Janet

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Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2009, 09:15:29 AM »

Beth is a very good woman, don't get me wrong, but what is OK with her doesn't mean the rest of the family is OK with it.  The movie coming out is one of those things.  Dave soesn't want the lifetime movie.  He says enough is enough, "Thats my little girl".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617348;topicseen#msg617348

[BUCKSHOT]

A lot of tidbits learned in the first week or so after May 31, 2005 contained facts.

Anyone else share this feeling with me?

After that, it was known by all to clam up about any details. Disinformation was their method(s).

Quite frankly, it took some time before most said to themselves: WTF is going on down there?

Examples:
(1) They let the three last known suspects go for 10 days of "surveillance" ???
(2) The search warrant of the main suspect was blocked ???
(3) They are rock painting in bio-hazard suits in an isolatred area on the island as precaution to motorists ???
(4) They won't allow outside assistance from other credible agencies ???
(5) A confession, by the main suspect, is retracted ???

This was a slam dunk. It is a major shame that they F'ed it up so bad?
They have spent exponentially more time NOT SOLVING this case than SOLVING it.