Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Rob]

I heard Angela Muffinhowzer is spreading more lies today. And these are doozies. Apparently she doesn't work with Julie anymore and spreads her own lies independently now.

[Keepthefaith]

2nj..Hope all is well as can be!

[2NJSons_Mom]

2nj..Hope all is well as can be!

           

[Keepthefaith]

Where'd everybody go???Lurkin,Lurkin,Lurkin.....

[Nut44x4]

I heard Angela Muffinhowzer is spreading more lies today. And these are doozies. Apparently she doesn't work with Julie anymore and spreads her own lies independently now.

  I don't know why, but that struck me as very funny, lmao.

[Tamikosmom]

I'm very disappointed in you janet! I tend to agree with Robots..

I am baaaad.  So very very baaaad.

 

Janet

Janet, did you read my answer?

In my rush to be first on the thread ... I did miss your response.  Thank you bastibro.

Janet

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bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
« Reply #979 on: Today at 08:01:22 PM »

Hi Tamikosmom,
Herman is what I`ve heard. Geerman is the answer to your question.
Giron isn`t even close.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.960


Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeRJtMxqus

Thanks.  I am off right now but will listen when I get back.  I have been searching for a video clip of that Greta interview with Jossy everywhere.

Janet

Get A Life .............

 

[San]

I am watching Entertainment Tonight and they will be talking to Beth tomorrow.  About her watching the story being made into a movie.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Entertainment Tonight just mentioned Beth Holloway & the movie....probably coming up in the next segment.  It airs here on CBS & should be over at 8pm...so it can't be much.

EDIT - Per San, this will be on tomorrow's show. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

I am watching Entertainment Tonight and they will be talking to Beth tomorrow.  About her watching the story being made into a movie.

Thanks, San.  I, obviously didn't hear it all.   

[Tamikosmom]

When I heard Jossy same the name of the witness it sounded like Hier-mann like with a German tongue or slant. When Germans sometimes say G's they sound like H's.

It's not really all that important anyway ... that witness was full of it.

Me too, Rob.  I thought it might have been Werleman.

Werleman?
Giron?
Geerman?

1.  Name of Street?
2.  Names of residence?
3.  Connection to Jossy/AHATA?

Janet

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WITNESS - HOME

Posted by Glenda at RU

[Tamikosmom]

I am watching Entertainment Tonight and they will be talking to Beth tomorrow.  About her watching the story being made into a movie.

 

[Tamikosmom]

I'm very disappointed in you janet! I tend to agree with Robots..

I am baaaad.  So very very baaaad.

 

Janet

Janet, did you read my answer?

In my rush to be first on the thread ... I did miss your response.  Thank you bastibro.

Janet

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bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
« Reply #979 on: Today at 08:01:22 PM »

Hi Tamikosmom,
Herman is what I`ve heard. Geerman is the answer to your question.
Giron isn`t even close.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.960


Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeRJtMxqus

Thanks.  I am off right now but will listen when I get back.  I have been searching for a video clip of that Greta interview with Jossy everywhere.

Janet

Jossy's interview with Greta begins at 4:50.

Janet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeRJtMxqus

[Magnolia]

I'm very disappointed in you janet! I tend to agree with Robots..

I am baaaad.  So very very baaaad.


Janet, I listened to Jossy again(2X) and I thought he said Hierleman.

The only Aruban Phone Book that I have...you have to put a name into the search feature.
There is nothing close to that.  I would like to just look through the H's

 

Janet

Janet, did you read my answer?

In my rush to be first on the thread ... I did miss your response.  Thank you bastibro.

Janet

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bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 - 3/31/09
« Reply #979 on: Today at 08:01:22 PM »

Hi Tamikosmom,
Herman is what I`ve heard. Geerman is the answer to your question.
Giron isn`t even close.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.960


Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeRJtMxqus

Thanks.  I am off right now but will listen when I get back.  I have been searching for a video clip of that Greta interview with Jossy everywhere.

Janet

Jossy's interview with Greta begins at 4:50.

Janet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeRJtMxqus

[Magnolia]

Janet, I listened to Jossy again(2X) and I thought he said Hierleman.

The only Aruban Phone Book that I have...you have to put a name into the search feature.
There is nothing close to that.  I would like to just look through the H's

[ohcanada]

just a thought

perhaps joran was getting the evidence off of him ....ie. wading into the water ad didnt have anything to dispose of
just a thought

[Tamikosmom]

Janet, I listened to Jossy again(2X) and I thought he said Hierleman.

The only Aruban Phone Book that I have...you have to put a name into the search feature.
There is nothing close to that.  I would like to just look through the H's

Magnolia ... I heard the same as you.  It did not sound like Herman at all.

Maybe Jossy's German/Dutch accent the H was meant to be W.  I think you were right in a previous post when you claimed he could have said Werleman.

My youngest son's inlaws are Dutch and daughter's inlaws are German.  Jossy's accent more closely sounds Dutch.  IMO.

When you use the SM search engine Werleman ... Keepthefaith and others reveal that Weleman is a common name in Aruba.

I think the clue to the witness' identity would come if the name of street leading from the pond  and related residents can be identified.  Have a boo at the map I just submitted ... the map marked by Glenda.

Magnolia ... this type of research is not my thing.  However ... you along with other Monkeys have an amazing ability to dig into available internet records.

I really want to learn what this witness' relationship to Jossy is and ... what if there is any connection to the AHATA.

Janet

[Magnolia]

Janet, I listened to Jossy again(2X) and I thought he said Hierleman.

The only Aruban Phone Book that I have...you have to put a name into the search feature.
There is nothing close to that.  I would like to just look through the H's

Magnolia ... I heard the same as you.  It did not sound like Herman at all.

Maybe Jossy's German/Dutch accent the H was meant to be W.  I think you were right in a previous post when you claimed he could have said Werleman.

My youngest son's inlaws are Dutch and daughter's inlaws are German.  Jossy's accent more closely sounds Dutch.  IMO.

When you use the SM search engine Werleman ... Keepthefaith and others reveal that Weleman is a common name in Aruba.

I think the clue to the witness' identity would come if the name of street leading from the pond  and related residents can be identified.  Have a boo at the map I just submitted ... the map marked by Glenda.

Magnolia ... this type of research is not my thing.  However ... you along with other Monkeys have an amazing ability to dig into available internet records.

I really want to learn what this witness' relationship to Jossy is and ... what if there is any connection to the AHATA.

Janet

I do not have good research skills, but I have looked at map upon map and can get right to the
house, the pond, the soccer field, but have been unable to find a street name.

The house is on a little loop just north of the street that has the INDO restaurant.

Werleman and Geerman are both fairly common names on Aruba.

What was Patrick the Range Rover guy's name.  I just remembered Renho saying that
one of his relatives lived on that street.  Van Em?

[texasmom]

Janet, I listened to Jossy again(2X) and I thought he said Hierleman.

The only Aruban Phone Book that I have...you have to put a name into the search feature.
There is nothing close to that.  I would like to just look through the H's

Magnolia ... I heard the same as you.  It did not sound like Herman at all.

Maybe Jossy's German/Dutch accent the H was meant to be W.  I think you were right in a previous post when you claimed he could have said Werleman.

My youngest son's inlaws are Dutch and daughter's inlaws are German.  Jossy's accent more closely sounds Dutch.  IMO.

When you use the SM search engine Werleman ... Keepthefaith and others reveal that Weleman is a common name in Aruba.

I think the clue to the witness' identity would come if the name of street leading from the pond  and related residents can be identified.  Have a boo at the map I just submitted ... the map marked by Glenda.

Magnolia ... this type of research is not my thing.  However ... you along with other Monkeys have an amazing ability to dig into available internet records.

I really want to learn what this witness' relationship to Jossy is and ... what if there is any connection to the AHATA.

Janet

I do not have good research skills, but I have looked at map upon map and can get right to the
house, the pond, the soccer field, but have been unable to find a street name.

The house is on a little loop just north of the street that has the INDO restaurant.

Werleman and Geerman are both fairly common names on Aruba.

What was Patrick the Range Rover guy's name.  I just remembered Renho saying that
one of his relatives lived on that street.  Van Em?

Magnolia, I think Van der Eem.  IIRC his brothers name is Perry, but I don't know if that's actually his given name or just what he's called.

[Magnolia]

Janet, I listened to Jossy again(2X) and I thought he said Hierleman.

The only Aruban Phone Book that I have...you have to put a name into the search feature.
There is nothing close to that.  I would like to just look through the H's

Magnolia ... I heard the same as you.  It did not sound like Herman at all.

Maybe Jossy's German/Dutch accent the H was meant to be W.  I think you were right in a previous post when you claimed he could have said Werleman.

My youngest son's inlaws are Dutch and daughter's inlaws are German.  Jossy's accent more closely sounds Dutch.  IMO.

When you use the SM search engine Werleman ... Keepthefaith and others reveal that Weleman is a common name in Aruba.

I think the clue to the witness' identity would come if the name of street leading from the pond  and related residents can be identified.  Have a boo at the map I just submitted ... the map marked by Glenda.

Magnolia ... this type of research is not my thing.  However ... you along with other Monkeys have an amazing ability to dig into available internet records.

I really want to learn what this witness' relationship to Jossy is and ... what if there is any connection to the AHATA.

Janet

I do not have good research skills, but I have looked at map upon map and can get right to the
house, the pond, the soccer field, but have been unable to find a street name.

The house is on a little loop just north of the street that has the INDO restaurant.

Werleman and Geerman are both fairly common names on Aruba.

What was Patrick the Range Rover guy's name.  I just remembered Renho saying that
one of his relatives lived on that street.  Van Em?

Magnolia, I think Van der Eem.  IIRC his brothers name is Perry, but I don't know if that's actually his given name or just what he's called.

Julia said a year ago that the Van der Eems lived in that house that she showed the driveway of.
I just remember that.

[Tamikosmom]

just a thought

perhaps joran was getting the evidence off of him ....ie. wading into the water ad didnt have anything to dispose of
just a thought

Hi fellow Canuck

I agree.  IF this witness turns out to be legit ... I contend that following the gardener's observation of Joran, Deepak and Satish parked near the Racquet Ball club ...

1.  Deepak and Satish were sent home to to wash the vehicle.

2.  Joran calls his father to pick him up at McDonald's.

3.  Joran cleans himself off in the pond.

4.  Joran heads to MacDonald's on foot when he was observed by the witness.

5.  Paulus and Joran connects at McDonald's.

6.  The witness observes Paulus and Joran in the red Jeep driving home.

7.  Joran is dropped off at home.

8.  Paulus returned to the area.

9.  Arrangements are made to move Natalee from the bech to the east side of the Island. (ATM withdrawls/6:00 AM Cell call)

10. Burial at sea does not take place at a later date.

Janet

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THE GARDENER'S OBSERVATION

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


KALPOE'S EARLY MORNING VEHICLE CLEANING

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


THE 4:00 AM PICKUP

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


Free and Clear?
Wednesday, August 24, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So your client, 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, is on the Internet at home. I've been in his room. I've seen the computer, or at least where it was. And he gets phone calls at 2:40 and 3 a.m. from Joran. Where do the cell records place the phone that Joran is using at 2:40 and 3 o'clock in the morning?

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY:: Well, there's not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north in Palm Beach of the hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: So it looks like he's not home at that hour, but someplace near the Marriott, is that right?

KOCK: That is correct. He is in this neighborhood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html


NATALEE - MOVED FROM THE BEACH

NANCY GRACE
Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?
 
MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


CELL CALL - SANTA LUCIA AREA

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink | Comments (270) | TrackBack (2)

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/week24/


Holloway Stalemate?
Sunday, July 03, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: .... I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no... he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no... but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161474,00.html