Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom, you certainly have a right to your opinion.  I guess we just took the article differently. As for putting myself in Beth's place, I certainly have done that.  Being the mother of 3 daughters with one the same age as Natalee, I realize how blessed I am to still have my daughters.

I meant ... put yourself in Beth Holloway's place in Patrick Hurley's article.  How would your feel if it was implied that your "conjoling" was  what put the tragic events into motion ... the tragic events that led to the death of your daughter.

When I read Hurley's words ... my heart broke for Beth.

Janet

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Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
By Patrick Hurley (bio)
March 24th, 2009

The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise.  Finally, after much cajoling from her mother (Casa) and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/
 

If Casa was to be honest for 1 second.We all know what the Honest answer would be!Casa would not post such crap.......PERIOD!

I agree KeepTheFaith.

Thanks and ... I mean it.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Patrick Hurley's article was a beautiful tribute to Natalee Holloway's father but ... it was at the expense of discrediting her mother and ... I consider that dispicable.

Janet

[Anna]

O/T But important


5 People Shot, 41 Hostages Taken at Immigration Center in Upstate New York

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512441,00.html

[Keepthefaith]

Patrick Hurley's article was a beautiful tribute to Natalee Holloway's father but ... it was at the expense of discrediting her mother and ... I consider that dispicable.

Janet

Casa,as well as the others that want to post article's with the implication that Beth set the wheels in motion know exactly what they're doing!Tell me there is not a hundred other articles that could express the same view without undermining Beth Holloway,as well as her character....SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE.....

[Anna]

I loved it when recently on TV Julia Renfro tried to start her Beth bashing routine and was promptly put in her place by the entire panel on JVM.

[Keepthefaith]

I loved it when recently on TV Julia Renfro tried to start her Beth bashing routine and was promptly put in her place by the entire panel on JVM.

AMEN..

[casa]

Patrick Hurley's article was a beautiful tribute to Natalee Holloway's father but ... it was at the expense of discrediting her mother and ... I consider that dispicable.

Janet

Casa,as well as the others that want to post article's with the implication that Beth set the wheels in motion know exactly what they're doing!Tell me there is not a hundred other articles that could express the same view without undermining Beth Holloway,as well as her character....SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE.....

Texasmom also posted the article here.  Are you going to attack her?  I did not read into the article what y'all are seeing. I share things all the time that I find that pertains to Natalee, the case, her family.  That does not mean that I have any malicious intent.  The people who really know me and know my heart are the ones that matter. This will be my last response to this.  I will not be drawn into this crazy feud. I hope you all have a great week end! 

[Keepthefaith]

Patrick Hurley's article was a beautiful tribute to Natalee Holloway's father but ... it was at the expense of discrediting her mother and ... I consider that dispicable.

Janet

Casa,as well as the others that want to post article's with the implication that Beth set the wheels in motion know exactly what they're doing!Tell me there is not a hundred other articles that could express the same view without undermining Beth Holloway,as well as her character....SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE.....

Texasmom also posted the article here.  Are you going to attack her?  I did not read into the article what y'all are seeing. I share things all the time that I find that pertains to Natalee, the case, her family.  That does not mean that I have any malicious intent.  The people who really know me and know my heart are the ones that matter. This will be my last response to this.  I will not be drawn into this crazy feud. I hope you all have a great week end! 

I call it how i see it Casa.If you think speaking the truth is attacking..So Be it..For me personally..I'm fully aware of the company you keep!I don't think anything else needs to be said..

[Tamikosmom]

Patrick Hurley's article was a beautiful tribute to Natalee Holloway's father but ... it was at the expense of discrediting her mother and ... I consider that dispicable.

Janet

Casa,as well as the others that want to post article's with the implication that Beth set the wheels in motion know exactly what they're doing!Tell me there is not a hundred other articles that could express the same view without undermining Beth Holloway,as well as her character....SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE.....

Texasmom also posted the article here.  Are you going to attack her?  I did not read into the article what y'all are seeing. I share things all the time that I find that pertains to Natalee, the case, her family.  That does not mean that I have any malicious intent.  The people who really know me and know my heart are the ones that matter. This will be my last response to this.  I will not be drawn into this crazy feud. I hope you all have a great week end! 

Casa

When I take all of texasmom's posts into consideration ... I know exactly where she is coming from ... I know her heart.  texasmom looked at what was beautiful about that article ... I looked beyond and ... the beautiful ceased to exist.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Patrick Hurley's article was a beautiful tribute to Natalee Holloway's father but ... it was at the expense of discrediting her mother and ... I consider that dispicable.

Janet

Casa,as well as the others that want to post article's with the implication that Beth set the wheels in motion know exactly what they're doing!Tell me there is not a hundred other articles that could express the same view without undermining Beth Holloway,as well as her character....SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE.....

Texasmom also posted the article here.  Are you going to attack her?  I did not read into the article what y'all are seeing. I share things all the time that I find that pertains to Natalee, the case, her family.  That does not mean that I have any malicious intent.  The people who really know me and know my heart are the ones that matter. This will be my last response to this.  I will not be drawn into this crazy feud. I hope you all have a great week end! 

I call it how i see it Casa.If you think speaking the truth is attacking..So Be it..For me personally..I'm fully aware of the company you keep!I don't think anything else needs to be said..

Exactly!!!

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Hi Casa!Come out of lurking mode...

[Tamikosmom]

I loved it when recently on TV Julia Renfro tried to start her Beth bashing routine and was promptly put in her place by the entire panel on JVM.

 

Anna ... I am sorry I missed that.

Yet ... Robin Holloway upholds Julia Renfro.  It just does not make sense.

 

Janet

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ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blonde
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #324 on: December 02, 2007, 09:58:41 PM »

Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee.

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317

[Anna]

I loved it when recently on TV Julia Renfro tried to start her Beth bashing routine and was promptly put in her place by the entire panel on JVM.

 

Anna ... I am sorry I missed that.

Yet ... Robin Holloway upholds Julia Renfro.  It just does not make sense.

 

Janet

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ROBIN HOLLOWAY

Blonde
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #324 on: December 02, 2007, 09:58:41 PM »

Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee.

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317

Oh, yes!  Julio tried to start whining about Beth calling for a boycott and they all more or less told her to cut the crap!  The woman's child was taken and nothing done about it and yet she tried to pretend that the boycott was the injustice here.

The usual utter nonsense.  AHATA/ATA agenda as always.

I remember when first I learned that Robin Holloway and evidently Dave as well preferred to company of those people I was so hurt that they would side with people who have said such horrible things about Natalee and Beth.  But they have also said them about individual posters including both you and me, Janet.  That made it a kind of personal offense and hurt.

I got over it but I was shocked.

[Tamikosmom]

Natalee Holloway's uncle fully comprehended that trusting the enemy when seeking answers ... will not result in a positive outcome.  The enemy has a conflicting agenda.

Janet

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A REMINDER

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »   

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880
 
 
private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #655 on: March 01, 2008, 06:07:48 PM »
 
Either something grand has happened or something mighty dirty just happened. You don't spend that much money to identify targets that you are not going to search. Why get Beth and Dave's hopes up, find probable targets allegedly, and then go, with very little warning, oops, we cannot afford to search afterall? Why does Chaney fly in at midnight the day before the Persistence pulls out? Coincidental? Silveti and Chaney are both active in the Houston area. Bush and Silveti the same plus the same business interests. Why Ocean EX would interject himself in the cage as he did last night? Why is Joran suddenly in a mental hospital?

And now that they have identified the locations of the targets, with the Aruban police force on board, they are retiring from the search, with guess who now in the know. And what is funny, is it was Oceans Ex fear that we might give some secrets away. Hell, the coverup people already have the secrets, first hand from the horse themselves.

Something grand had to have happened. If not, then this was the cruelest hoax of yet.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358544#msg358544


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

[Anna]

O/T They are now reporting as many as 13 shot at the Immigration office in upstate NY.

[Tamikosmom]

Oh, yes!  Julio tried to start whining about Beth calling for a boycott and they all more or less told her to cut the crap!  The woman's child was taken and nothing done about it and yet she tried to pretend that the boycott was the injustice here.

The usual utter nonsense.  AHATA/ATA agenda as always.

I remember when first I learned that Robin Holloway and evidently Dave as well preferred to company of those people I was so hurt that they would side with people who have said such horrible things about Natalee and Beth.  But they have also said them about individual posters including both you and me, Janet.  That made it a kind of personal offense and hurt.

I got over it but I was shocked.

Anna ... I am not made of stone.  However ... the dark side cannot hurt me when I sincerely believe that I have truth on my side.  However ... I have to concede that some poster do hurt me terribly with their words and actions ... poster I one believed were on the same page as me.

My only reason for posting on Natalee Holloway forums for the past almost four years has been to assist in exposing the corrupt Aruban investigation that has denied an 18 year old American the justice she deserves under Dutch law.  I attempt to put myself in the place of Beth Holloway and ... react accordingly.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Keepthefaith, klaasend, Mere, BoxerDawg, johan555, Tamikosmom, bastibro, Anna

When is the last time i've seen you two logged in together???Is GM not working?

[bastibro]

Keepthefaith, klaasend, Mere, BoxerDawg, johan555, Tamikosmom, bastibro, Anna

When is the last time i've seen you two logged in together???Is GM not working?

Are you the one spying people all the time in the rafters there?

[Keepthefaith]

Keepthefaith, klaasend, Mere, BoxerDawg, johan555, Tamikosmom, bastibro, Anna

When is the last time i've seen you two logged in together???Is GM not working?

Are you the one spying people all the time in the rafters there?

I do go over there from time to time,to remind myself,of the continued effort of many people to minimize the happenings of the Persistence,as well as the continued effort of Ahata,Ata and Aruba to continue the Disinformation campaign...

[Mere]

Can we please stop scaring members and guests? 

Can we please stop calling out people in order to put them on the hot seat? 

Can we please stop the us versus them mentality?

Can we please become productive?

Do we have any leaders who would like to provide us with what would help the case as far as research or subjects for discussion?

Thank you.....Mere