Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Artcolley]

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Yes, that would be the pattern. So ridiculous. So childish.

[Keepthefaith]

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Yes, that would be the pattern. So ridiculous. So childish.

Iris44 never did answer my reply to her last post in regards to what went into the thought process before they posted their rubbish...

As well.Is it just me or does anyone else's reply button not appear??

[hotping]

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

[Artcolley]

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

Horses must be sleeping. Still late, though , for a horse person.
My horse stalls were mucked out first thing every morning and horses turned out to pasture. Guess not everyone is the same
 
But that copy and paste business is very serious business, doncha know

[hotping]

Good Night All! 

[Keepthefaith]

Good Night All! 

Goodnight Hotping

[hotping]

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

Horses must be sleeping. Still late, though , for a horse person.
My horse stalls were mucked out first thing every morning and horses turned out to pasture. Guess not everyone is the same
 
But that copy and paste business is very serious business, doncha know

Yes I know all about the horse business We raised AQHA Palominos for Many Years.....Yep Copy and Pasting is Very Important so I hear....lol 

[Artcolley]

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

Horses must be sleeping. Still late, though , for a horse person.
My horse stalls were mucked out first thing every morning and horses turned out to pasture. Guess not everyone is the same
 
But that copy and paste business is very serious business, doncha know

Yes I know all about the horse business We raised AQHA Palominos for Many Years.....Yep Copy and Pasting is Very Important so I hear....lol 

 
NIte nite and sweet dreams!  btw, NEAT horses!

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Good Night...Artcolley, Keepthefaith and 2 Guests!

[BUCKSHOT]

just a thought

perhaps joran was getting the evidence off of him ....ie. wading into the water ad didnt have anything to dispose of
just a thought

Hi fellow Canuck

I agree.  IF this witness turns out to be legit ... I contend that following the gardener's observation of Joran, Deepak and Satish parked near the Racquet Ball club ...

1.  Deepak and Satish were sent home to to wash the vehicle.

2.  Joran calls his father to pick him up at McDonald's.

3.  Joran cleans himself off in the pond.

4.  Joran heads to MacDonald's on foot when he was observed by the witness.

5.  Paulus and Joran connects at McDonald's.

6.  The witness observes Paulus and Joran in the red Jeep driving home.

7.  Joran is dropped off at home.

8.  Paulus returned to the area.

9.  Arrangements are made to move Natalee from the bech to the east side of the Island. (ATM withdrawls/6:00 AM Cell call)

10. Burial at sea does not take place at a later date.

Janet

+++++++

THE GARDENER'S OBSERVATION

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


KALPOE'S EARLY MORNING VEHICLE CLEANING

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


THE 4:00 AM PICKUP

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


Free and Clear?
Wednesday, August 24, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So your client, 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, is on the Internet at home. I've been in his room. I've seen the computer, or at least where it was. And he gets phone calls at 2:40 and 3 a.m. from Joran. Where do the cell records place the phone that Joran is using at 2:40 and 3 o'clock in the morning?

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY:: Well, there's not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north in Palm Beach of the hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: So it looks like he's not home at that hour, but someplace near the Marriott, is that right?

KOCK: That is correct. He is in this neighborhood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html


NATALEE - MOVED FROM THE BEACH

NANCY GRACE
Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?
 
MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


CELL CALL - SANTA LUCIA AREA

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink | Comments (270) | TrackBack (2)

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/week24/


Holloway Stalemate?
Sunday, July 03, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: .... I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no... he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no... but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161474,00.html

Tomikosmom- Nice post.

My questions/comments, just trying to hash out specifics:
(1) What would everyone one be washing off of them? A violent, bodily harming murder, a sexual exploitation, vomit, foaming at mouth bodily fluids? Washing off, especially wading through a pond, definitley implies lots of physical evidence and not just a simple expiration. The mssing shoe (from early on) does make you examine the mucky pond at some point, though.
(2) Was the (original) crime scene at the house or away from the house? Although an after hours pool party (at the Anta-less Sloot home) would be convenient, it seems that the crime scene was away from the house. Probably inside of car or very near to the parked car(in a secluded non-tourist area). They could have hit a party while cruising around. WHo knows..Nonetheless, a deceased Natalee is likely to have been in the Kalpoe vehicle at some point.
(3) What level of involvement did Satish and Deepak Kalpoe play in this? If violence were used, I suppose they are right there in the middle of it. Otherwise, is it for providing drugs to the situation? Their eyes definitely witnessed "something bad," if not participants in the "something bad." They have definitely kept their noses cleaner than Joran after the fact, invisible Satish more than Deepak.  Not to mention the fact that certain Arubans would like to see a big pay day from CBS/DrPhil in California.  How long would they have stuck around after NH expiration in their presence? As they collectively shit their pants and talked it over, their sighting at the raquetball club was probably true. I, too, agree that witnesses are intimidated and retaliated against if they step forward. Mind you, there were not as many witnesses to the crime as we may think, and there is no reason for anyone to come forward. There is no consequence for obstructing justice and nothing to fear. I feel certain they washed their car out that night but exactly and precisely why (meaning: how much evidence was in their car and of what nature) I am not sure. Regardless of their level of involvement, their silence and loyalty was needed and expected. They knew if they simply joined the "program" that all would be handled for them. Paulus seemed very quick to make sure of this. It would not surprise me one bit of Aruba ensured the Kalpoes did not need for anything during the troubling times to follow.
(4) When did the sea burial take place and on what side of the island? East side? Not to sound stupid.. but where did Persistence crew spot trap? Thought it was in close proximity to the hotels (on the west side of the island). Please corrct me if wrong. I don't want to confuse. About time wise of disposal..I am not sure if it was that night/early morning or not. If it was that night (assuming east vs west doesn't matter), and assuming NH contents were in the trap, LOGIC DICTATES that a trap was needed. Therefore, the FHs probably were broken into as reported.
(5) If Paulus "had contact with NH twice" that evening, the first time was probably at the casino and the second time had to be: at his house - the crime scene (a J2K after hours Anita-less pool party) or with her deceased body ready to dispose (thus the "we know what ya did" court ruling for denial of compensation). Just out of curiosity, has Aruba ever named his two contact points with NH? Wonder how they knew he had two contact points with NH? There is no doubt that Paulus was going to do anything necessary to "protect his son." Abeting in the disposal of a dead body is pushing it a bit but he certainly masterminded the plan. This is a certainly like the sun rising everyday, a bear shitting in the woods - Paulus was absolutely the mastermind in the aftermath of the crime.  Once he received the call, or visit to his home, by Joran, he responded immediately. How could he forget if his cell phone was used between 12-7am? Pretty simple question. Paulus, failed judge or whatever, was a lengthy resident of the island, with Dutch ancestory that placed him in the elite club, and had connections. Judge friends, regardless of HIS status as judge, and a supposed godparent to his child(Joran) and known,admitted super-duper close friend, Jan VanderStraaten, who happens to be police chief at the time, surely came in handy for Paulas.  A judge (staying at Sloot house) blocks/narrows, on the spot, a search warrant signed by another judge. JanVDS, chief of police, removed himself from the case a week or so into it (based on recollection) - how convenient - then later returned back on the scene. Paulus' helper system grew as their precious tourism dollar became threatened internationally. The police and tourism board are in bed with one another. They are literally one in the same. The only difference between the two are their uniforms. This case grew into an us(holloway/twitty) vs them(Aruba and its citizens) game.

Spiked drink/alcohol/drugs take effect.
Driving around, secluded spot(s). Sexual contact? Natalee dies.
Sighting at racquet club = Boys talking it over. PVDS is called.
Paulus immediately begins helping out. Picks up Joran.
Heavy body. Messy or not. White pick-up truck.
Kalpoes clean car..Stay in touch with Joran...Online...Alibis...
Break-in at Fisherman's Huts...Paulus gains access to boat...
Pond or no pond for me. I could take it or leave it. Mucky shoe, though.
Someone is out withdrawling money from Paulus's account..
Communication with someone at 6:00am. Paulus to Joran, Joran to Paulus, Paulus to helper, helper to Paulus.
Paulus and friends start disinformation campaign, designed to confuse and mislead. Cloud the waters.
Jan starts screwing things up on his end. Arrests two guards. International media "boos."
Case lingers, ten day "surveillance" period. Work done around the clock for ten days.
Most critical time period lost but bought them some time.
Aruban reporters help sell their story "..justice system this, justice sytem that" by Arlene, Tito, Ruben.
Case continues to linger. More and arrows poiting towards J2K. Aruba arrests them.
Mockery interrogations. Long periods of nothing combined with unexplainable behavior by Aruba.
All the while, Aruba refuses help from other accredited international agencies.
Case still not going away. Aruba gets its feelings hurt with threats of boycotts.
Becomes an us vs them match. Network expands. Aruba clams up.
Safe haven forms. Governement and whole country vows to protect tourism.
Power players/AHATA also on board and vow to do the same.
Tourism allows a lot of underground businesses to flourish.



All of your sourced information is very well laid out. Great job.

[Sleuth]

Doesn't this look like he is about to try on the underwear....

Quote from: texasmom on March 29, 2009, 09:13:38 PM
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http://awemainta.com/home/

[Anna]

Sleuth,  I think he is contemplating the underwear as a doo rag for his head to replace the one he is wearing.

JMO

[finngirl]

heard this on the radio tonight:

beware the April Fool's Day worm virus
which is set to activate at 12am on April 1

Microsoft is offering a $250,000 reward
for the ID of the hacker who wrote the program

it was loaded w/ 5,000 web addresses
and 500 of those will be infiltrated first

radio techy guy said:
verify that your updates are current ...
do not click on any unfamiliar links ...
DO NOT use your system's configure program,
as the worm will provide you w/ authentic-looking sites

you should be OK if your Microsoft updates are current

[iris44]

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

Horses must be sleeping. Still late, though , for a horse person.
My horse stalls were mucked out first thing every morning and horses turned out to pasture. Guess not everyone is the same
 
But that copy and paste business is very serious business, doncha know

Good Evening/Morning Monkeys!

Iris 44 was here late last night also.....busy busy it seems....I guess She doesn't have any horse poop to Muck....

Horses must be sleeping. Still late, though , for a horse person.
My horse stalls were mucked out first thing every morning and horses turned out to pasture. Guess not everyone is the same
 
But that copy and paste business is very serious business, doncha know

Hi Art,

Do you still have your horses?  I have 2 old girls; a 29 year old QH, and a 23 year old appy, and a blind older than dirt appy pony, and finally a nice Trakehner/QH mare that is actually rideable (well not completely, we are still rehabbing a bowed tendon.  It's been a long 7 months.)

FYI to all, I am not copying and pasting at Gold Monkey.  Don't know where you got that from.  I enjoy posting there because everyone is nice to me and doesn't accuse me of all kinds of crazy things.  I am busy with horses and work so I am just lurking at both sites for the most part.   

I was on SM earlier tonight searching the missing children thread.  There is a women who used my home address to enroll her child in the school district I live in.  I have filled out a police report, but they didn't do anything.  She has a state ID in my address, a car registered in my address, her insurance policy, a bank account and I keep getting addtional mail and accumulating more information about her.  I just received a bill from her day care center today, and I found out her child's name.  I did an internet search, and I found out that there was an Amber Alert on this child in 2007!  Obviously he was found, since they are using my address now.  I didn't find him in the missing person's thread on SM. 

I'm sorry if I didn't answer something.  I'm just too busy to read everything. 

[iris44]

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Yes, that would be the pattern. So ridiculous. So childish.

Iris44 never did answer my reply to her last post in regards to what went into the thought process before they posted their rubbish...

As well.Is it just me or does anyone else's reply button not appear??

Hi KTF

I don't understand your question about the rubbish, but I wanted to reply to you.

I'm not copying and pasting.  I read at both sites.  I'm not that involved on these sites, just checking in to see if anything is new in the Natalee case.  I'm not that interested in discussing other posters (unless they are talking about their horses!).  I'm certainly not interested in discussing myself.  It's off topic!  (But I will talk about my horses with very little encouragement, so quit making fun of my mucking!!!  I'm not a morning person.)

[iris44]

just a thought

perhaps joran was getting the evidence off of him ....ie. wading into the water ad didnt have anything to dispose of
just a thought

Hi fellow Canuck

I agree.  IF this witness turns out to be legit ... I contend that following the gardener's observation of Joran, Deepak and Satish parked near the Racquet Ball club ...

1.  Deepak and Satish were sent home to to wash the vehicle.

2.  Joran calls his father to pick him up at McDonald's.

3.  Joran cleans himself off in the pond.

4.  Joran heads to MacDonald's on foot when he was observed by the witness.

5.  Paulus and Joran connects at McDonald's.

6.  The witness observes Paulus and Joran in the red Jeep driving home.

7.  Joran is dropped off at home.

8.  Paulus returned to the area.

9.  Arrangements are made to move Natalee from the bech to the east side of the Island. (ATM withdrawls/6:00 AM Cell call)

10. Burial at sea does not take place at a later date.

Janet

+++++++

THE GARDENER'S OBSERVATION

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html


KALPOE'S EARLY MORNING VEHICLE CLEANING

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


THE 4:00 AM PICKUP

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


Free and Clear?
Wednesday, August 24, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So your client, 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, is on the Internet at home. I've been in his room. I've seen the computer, or at least where it was. And he gets phone calls at 2:40 and 3 a.m. from Joran. Where do the cell records place the phone that Joran is using at 2:40 and 3 o'clock in the morning?

DAVID KOCK, SATISH KALPOE'S ATTORNEY:: Well, there's not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north in Palm Beach of the hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: So it looks like he's not home at that hour, but someplace near the Marriott, is that right?

KOCK: That is correct. He is in this neighborhood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166635,00.html


NATALEE - MOVED FROM THE BEACH

NANCY GRACE
Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?
 
MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


CELL CALL - SANTA LUCIA AREA

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink | Comments (270) | TrackBack (2)

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/week24/


Holloway Stalemate?
Sunday, July 03, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: .... I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no... he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no... but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161474,00.html

Janet,

Good summary. I agree with the timeline.  For #5 should you also include that some MB students saw Joran and Paul at 4:00 am at McDonalds, or was that just a rumor?

I can't remember, was the witness that Jossy says say the boys in the white pickup ever interviewed by the police? I'm guessing he's a mystery no name witness that disappeared?

[friend of monkeys]

Yikes....Iris that sucks!  CBB sending u prayers!

Great timeline....i would like to hear ALE state 2 times PVDS encountered NH as well
we all know paulus was at Mcdonalds @4.

[friend of monkeys]

k....no one here....

[friend of monkeys]

HEY!

Shankgo just started posting again in Codetalkers thread!

[friend of monkeys]

k..an that was an april fools joke.....