Natalee Case Discussion #813 3/31/09 - 4/5/09

[Anna]

Hi Keepthefaith.

I have been gone for about three hours and ... expected to spend an hour catching up.  Wrong!

I think it time for a Kyle Kingman/Private Eye reminder.

 

Anyways ... is it snowing down your way?  The white stuff has stopped falling here.  The roads are wet but ... about one inch is on the lawns ... roofs.

Unbelieveable!!  April 1st!!

Janet
11:55 AM PT

Amix of Rain and snow but,nothing sticking!Reminders are always good.I have a couple of thoughts for Golba..
1.Ask Mos what was in the trap?
2.When not searching the pond that has already been side-scan sonared,searched,dried-up numerous times..Take a scuba trip with CapsLockWizard to see if the CAGE/TRAP is still there,as well as see what's still down there if anything..

Balmy 72 degrees, light breeze and not a cloud in the sky.

Just saying.  . . . . . . .


 

[Anna]

Wow!  Our 14 Guests all left at one time.  Do I know how to clear a cage or what!


 

[Keepthefaith]

Wow!  Our 14 Guests all left at one time.  Do I know how to clear a cage or what!


 

 

[jen3560]

There was talk here last night about this witness possibly living near Patrick van der Eem's brother Perry.

I sent Klaas an email, because I tried to post pictures, and can't remember how I did it the first time 

Hopefully she'll be able to post those soon.

Meantime - here is info on Patrick's brother Perry:


Innes Watersports
Palm Beach 394 Noord Aruba

Owned by:

Perry Innes Van Der Eem

Residing at

Palm Beach 394 Noord Aruba


(Business has long since closed, but it looks like it was run out of his home).

[Tamikosmom]

I have a feeling that following the release of the April Lifetime movie ... the hard questions will start emerging in regards to the contents of the trap.  Kyle Kingman's own words which imply a John Silvetti betrayal as well as the ROV images are not going to go away.

Janet

++++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images.

[Tamikosmom]

Wow!  Our 14 Guests all left at one time.  Do I know how to clear a cage or what!


 

I thought only Tamikosmom could do that.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Keepthefaith.

I have been gone for about three hours and ... expected to spend an hour catching up.  Wrong!

I think it time for a Kyle Kingman/Private Eye reminder.

 

Anyways ... is it snowing down your way?  The white stuff has stopped falling here.  The roads are wet but ... about one inch is on the lawns ... roofs.

Unbelieveable!!  April 1st!!

Janet
11:55 AM PT

Amix of Rain and snow but,nothing sticking!Reminders are always good.I have a couple of thoughts for Golba..
1.Ask Mos what was in the trap?
2.When not searching the pond that has already been side-scan sonared,searched,dried-up numerous times..Take a scuba trip with CapsLockWizard to see if the CAGE/TRAP is still there,as well as see what's still down there if anything..

Balmy 72 degrees, light breeze and not a cloud in the sky.

Just saying.  . . . . . . .


 

 

[klaasend]

Jen asked me to post this stuff Glenda posted at RU:

Heli wrote:
The pond searched is in the corner of that yellow lined road and the one labeled Calco. It is beside the soccer fields and the Lekker Chinese restaurant. (Lala'sMom - SM)

 


Glenda wrote:
heheheheheheh Stupid Monkeys that's where Perry lives.
 
 

[Tamikosmom]

I contend that the witness entered the scenario almost three years following his so-called observation ... was to distract from the trap which may have contained Natalee Holloway's remains.

The agenda was to plant the remains in the pond and ... thereby only implicating Joran in the disposal and ... Paulus after the fact.

Case Closed!!

However ... CAPS or the Aruban "powers that be" never anticipated the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words or the ROV images ... a revelation that implies that implication is sooo much more far reaching than only Joran and Paulus when the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... the eventual disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains at sea ... are taken into consideration.

Janet

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/
 

[jen3560]

Thankies Klaas!! 

One of these days I'll figger out how to post pics!! 

[Tamikosmom]

Jen/Klaas

Thank you for those images.

What is the name of the street where Glenda has marked with blue?

Obviously the witness did not have a view of Joran actually in the pond.

Janet

+++++++

WITNESS - HOME

Posted by Glenda at RU

[Keepthefaith]

Venezuela Signs Engineering Accords for Gas Project

by Raul Gallegos   Dow Jones Newswires
March 06, 2009

CARACAS (Dow Jones)
Petroleos de Venezuela SA, PdVSA, signed new agreements Friday with oil companies from Europe, Asia and the U.S. for the engineering phase of the Delta Caribe natural gas project.

The two operating deals signed mark another stage in the process of developing two trains of a large LNG venture in Eastern Venezuela that is still in its initial stages.

Portugal's Galp Energia SGPS SA (GALP.LB), the U.S.'s Chevron Corp. (CVX), Argentina's Energia Argentina SA, and Japan's Mitsui & Co. (8031.TO) together signed deals with PdVSA for the engineering stage of train one and train two of the LNG venture.

[Keepthefaith]

Venezuela Signs Engineering Accords for Gas Project

by Raul Gallegos   Dow Jones Newswires
March 06, 2009

CARACAS (Dow Jones)
Petroleos de Venezuela SA, PdVSA, signed new agreements Friday with oil companies from Europe, Asia and the U.S. for the engineering phase of the Delta Caribe natural gas project.

The two operating deals signed mark another stage in the process of developing two trains of a large LNG venture in Eastern Venezuela that is still in its initial stages.

Portugal's Galp Energia SGPS SA (GALP.LB), the U.S.'s Chevron Corp. (CVX), Argentina's Energia Argentina SA, and Japan's Mitsui & Co. (8031.TO) together signed deals with PdVSA for the engineering stage of train one and train two of the LNG venture.

http://www.downstreamtoday.com//News/article.aspx?a_id=15473

[Buckeye]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

[jen3560]

Jen asked me to post this stuff Glenda posted at RU:

Heli wrote:
The pond searched is in the corner of that yellow lined road and the one labeled Calco. It is beside the soccer fields and the Lekker Chinese restaurant. (Lala'sMom - SM)

 


Glenda wrote:
heheheheheheh Stupid Monkeys that's where Perry lives.
 
 

So potentially the witness lives on a street called Calco.

And here is the address for the Lekker Chinese Restaurant

Lekker Bar & Restaurant   
 
Noord 39

[jen3560]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

Good find, Buckeye!

Ling's restaurant is highlighted on that map.

It's address is:
Lings Restaurant   
 
  Noord 29

[texasmom]

4/1/2009 Aruba Today Page 5

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

[jen3560]

Thanks texasmom!

IFA - that's how Renfro and Anita know each other.

That woman on Anita's left................I'm probably way off with this, but does she look like Analisa Gesterkamp (sp)?

[texasmom]

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4061&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda for natalee holloway door of fred golba prolonga till another week monday now

wednesday, 01 april 2009 oranjestad – fred golba cu his cacho will continua cu his buskeda for restonan of natalee holloway at least one week more. this good morning aruba owing to compronde for of the agent of search & rescue foundation ruben croes. according croes at good morning aruba, yesterday enberdad the buskeda have to owing to termina but owing to dicidi cu is stay at least till monday another week. croes owing to show cu they owing to haci palabracionnan much cla cu golba y ministerio publico y company on paper, first cu they can owing to cuminsa give asistencia. according croes is on peticion of ministerio publico cu the aid owing to wordo give. “nos does not is envolvi in nothing cu is danja name of aruba” croes owing to subraya at good morning aruba. so cu they see cu the asunto here is achieve one buelta negative for aruba in form of interview tendencioso cu bad informacion, search & rescue will owing to stop cu they asistencia. for thing is the asistencia self, for of week happen they're yudando golba y his cacho, in asistencia cu personal y equipment for thing is the buskeda at the dam of monserat. owing to achieve several cos but nothing of referencia for thing is the caso holloway self. owing to help cu pomp, manpower, y also trahando drip y more asunto. “no owing to achieve nothing of interes” croes owing to sigura. the buskeda will aggrandize for more ‘pond’ at aruba but do not conoci still where exact they will continua cu the buskeda. y search & rescue will continua cu the buskeda also till monday proximo. the asunto pendiente is if cu fred golba have to achieve aprobacion y fondo of father of natalee holloway esta dave holloway for so the can financia his estadia y the remainder of the buskeda. the buskeda oficial of the dam at monserat owing to inicia monday day 23 of march ultimo on peticion of the dave holloway cu owing to send fred golba cu his cacho for aruba. they owing to busca all in the dam, but not owing to succeed achieve nothing. the areglo y permisonan necesario owing to wordo give door of gobierno of aruba y ministerio publico, cu the affirmation cu the asunto will not owing to leave for of hand in form cu prensa mericano will owing to apodera of we island once more y percura for her noticianan negative consecuente. golba not had mag of talk cu prensa in the dianan inicial on peticion of hans mos y dolfi richardson, for cual the la respeta the peticion here also. golba owing to show much reserva in declaracionan haci after y owing to show at several ocacion cu the does not nothing bad for aruba y because; such the does not for his buskeda for natalee holloway become one circus as cu was the caso in pasado. come across

[Rob]

No street names, but nice map of soccer field and if scrolled to left, McDonalds is labeled.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=12.5655016&lon=-70.0351971&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2

Great map Buckeye. I bookmarked to save time in the future. Kudos.

Yanno, if you all look at the "official time" line in this case, there is nothing - nothing to say anyone was near that pond. Not ever.

To me it's still the same - left CnC at 1:08 am - went up the street (mostly to Choose A Name) and to the Sloot house. Arrival at 1:40am - from there - well, thats where "something bad happened". Predators ALWAYS take their prey to a locale THEY KNOW.

I have an idea - release the Dutch interrogation tapes if Joran is soooooo innocent. I bet THAT says it ALL. You and I won't need anymore. Neither would anyone else.

Beth said - they were cracking and blaming each other. I bet those tapes tell the whole story. We don't need any witnesses to for the truth to emerge. And the saddest fact is that even if Joran was 21 there would be some totally ridiculous reason why they cold never release the tapes made by THEIR OWN INVESTIGATORS and specialists flown in from Holland.

Thanks again for the map Buckeye.