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« Reply #380 on: April 03, 2009, 01:02:50 AM »

Kermit:

What is your opinion of the rock scene? A diversion or crime scene?

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« Reply #381 on: April 03, 2009, 01:34:38 AM »

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69543

Exclusive Bar Opens In San Nicolas


April 1st 2009, Aruba.


Prime Minister (center) cutting the red ribbon next to owner Alex Mathew

SAN NICOLAS-Foxy Lady Bar and Restaurant was officially opened by the Prime Minister last Friday.
The exclusive establishment offers a cozy sophisticated ambiance and high quality service. The
latest bar and restaurant is located at the entrance of maintreet San Nicolas.

Present at the opening was the owner of the establishment Alex Mathew, his family, and many
invited guests. The Prime Minister congratulated Alex Mathew with his new business, and
appreciated his confidence and contribution to the positive development of San Nicolas.
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« Reply #382 on: April 03, 2009, 01:41:03 AM »

Only in Aruba would you have the Prime Minister performing the ribbon cutting on what amounts to a bar and brothel.

On that one, I am shaking my head in disbelief and off to the Monkey Bunkey as the storms are passed.  I heard on the news there are trees down but none that I can see in immediate vicinity and the worst is over.

Goodnite, all!

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« Reply #383 on: April 03, 2009, 01:44:53 AM »

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69543

Exclusive Bar Opens In San Nicolas


April 1st 2009, Aruba.


Prime Minister (center) cutting the red ribbon next to owner Alex Mathew

SAN NICOLAS-Foxy Lady Bar and Restaurant was officially opened by the Prime Minister last Friday.
The exclusive establishment offers a cozy sophisticated ambiance and high quality service. The
latest bar and restaurant is located at the entrance of maintreet San Nicolas.

Present at the opening was the owner of the establishment Alex Mathew, his family, and many
invited guests. The Prime Minister congratulated Alex Mathew with his new business, and
appreciated his confidence and contribution to the positive development of San Nicolas.

Tell me I read that wrong....... The "Foxy Lady Bar"?????????????????    Will the "Chekeslovakian Playboys" be there???
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« Reply #384 on: April 03, 2009, 01:58:11 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9SaKYFR6ms
 
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« Reply #385 on: April 03, 2009, 04:31:39 AM »

CAPS posted: "Me and J & W and the C's are all in agreement now that it must be there.
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Kyl e- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7,


Have they created the perfect cover for whatever going on in Aruba ??


 
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« Reply #386 on: April 03, 2009, 08:21:42 AM »


Two wild and crazy kind of guys!

I sure hope they finally find the Foxy Lady!
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« Reply #387 on: April 03, 2009, 09:06:07 AM »

Klaas, although I don't believe it's actually him, there is a twitter page for a "jvandersloot" and your name seems to make an appearance today
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« Reply #388 on: April 03, 2009, 09:51:29 AM »

Klaas, although I don't believe it's actually him, there is a twitter page for a "jvandersloot" and your name seems to make an appearance today

 

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« Reply #389 on: April 03, 2009, 10:00:39 AM »

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=9173.msg411723#msg411723
Translation of the Amigoe article by GBMW at BFN:

Fred Golba, hired by Dave Holloway to search his missing daughter on the island, is still on the island. Initially he was suppose to leave Tuesday after the search didn’t produce anything, but that is postponed.

The agreement with the authorities was that Golba would search until Tuesday in the so-called Dam of Monserat, where suspect Joran van der Sloot was seen by a witness in the night that Natalee disappeared. For that matter this dam is also known to locals as Tanki Real. Golba searched the area with a tracker and also used water pumps. These and the generators as well were supplied by the rescue organization Search & Rescue Aruba (Sarfa).

Sarfa was not satisfied with the cooperation though. The volunteers supplied the material, but had to ask for petrol themselves, says an employee. Moreover, Golba went to lunch at the expense of Dave Holloway, while Holloway didn’t spend a penny on the Sarfa people and other volunteers.

Sarfa says to have participated with the search to keep up the image of Aruba abroad. The rescue organization wanted to prevent that the media would report that Aruba isn’t cooperating with searches concerning the American teen. 

It is not known where Golba is currently searching on Aruba.
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« Reply #390 on: April 03, 2009, 10:11:19 AM »

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« Reply #391 on: April 03, 2009, 11:03:54 AM »


Just as Dave Holloway teaches us again and again that he will explore every single option that presents itself to find his daughter, a worthy lesson imo, Beth Holloway teaches us yet again the very same thing.  I think with the upcoming movie on Lifetime, Beth has opened the door to show us how to work within the existing structures of our society.  Liberal Hollywood and the Obama administration...meet Natalee Holloway. 

I have started to think we may have quite an opportunity here.  And ALL personal politics aside, this is for Natalee, for Beth, and for Dave.

Do you think any of the executive team of Sony Pictures Television may have made campaign contributions to either Hilary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama, or both?  I don't believe this movie was made for entertainment purposes.  It needs to be a vehicle to justice. 

Perhaps the time may be right for a savvy, "politically sophisticated", concerted letter writing campaign advocating US State Department assistance in bringing about Justice for Natalee Holloway, an American citizen.  It would be great PR for this administration in these trouble times, after all.  Perhaps we even search the donor lists and target those Hollywood contributors involved that may have the most pull...

Toward that end, I've put together some preliminary information.

What do you guys think?  Am I dreaming?


Thank you San, for the original link and the movie thread:


Natalee Holloway (2009)
http://us.vdc.imdb.com/title/tt1307456/


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« Reply #392 on: April 03, 2009, 11:05:24 AM »

Casa ... I know other disagree with me but ... so be it.

I would have been deeply touched by Patrick Hurley's tribute to Dave Holloway but ... when I consider Hurley's unnecessary undermining of Natalee Holloways mother implies it conforms with the Aruban agenda which began on May 31, 2005 when Beth and Jug arrived on the Island.

In my opinion ... the implication of Hurley's words ... Beth Holloway's "conjoling" was the foundation of the Aruban tragedy.

Put yourself in Beth Holloway's place.  As a mother ... I always do.
 
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Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
By Patrick Hurley (bio)
March 24th, 2009


The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise.  Finally, after much cajoling from her mother and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/


Conjole: coax, persuade, wheedle, entice, sweet-talk (informal), inveigle, flatter


THE ARUBAN AGENDA

Jossy Mansur
Dana Pletzer Show
October 5, 2007


MANSUR: People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/10/05/the-dana-pretzer-show-live-friday-october-5-2007-guests-include-jossy-mansur-and-ken-shepherd/


Vanity Fair
Disappearance
Missing White Female
January, 2006


The Aruban police have reached a breaking point. In a wide-ranging interview, Gerold Dompig, the deputy police chief in charge of the case, says the biggest obstacle to solving it has been the Twitty family itself. Among other things, Dompig charges that pressure from the family sidetracked the investigation from the outset, forcing the premature arrests of the main suspects and destroying the best chance police had of gathering evidence to solve the case.

More:[/b]
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=1
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« Reply #393 on: April 03, 2009, 11:24:34 AM »

When did Hotshot become a spokesperson for Dave Holloway or ... is it her way of subtly underminding the mother of Natalee Holloway while upholding her father?

I cannot comprehend the difference between a movie produced by Beth Holloway ... a movie that is a reminder to Americans that a corrupt Aruban investigation has denied one of their own justice since May 30, 2005 and ... a book authored by Dave Holloway himself titled "Aruba: Corruption in Paradise."

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« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2009, 09:15:29 AM »


Beth is a very good woman, don't get me wrong, but what is OK with her doesn't mean the rest of the family is OK with it.  The movie coming out is one of those things.  Dave soesn't want the lifetime movie.  He says enough is enough, "Thats my little girl".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617348;topicseen#msg617348

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« Reply #394 on: April 03, 2009, 11:28:26 AM »

Casa ... I know other disagree with me but ... so be it.

I would have been deeply touched by Patrick Hurley's tribute to Dave Holloway but ... when I consider Hurley's unnecessary undermining of Natalee Holloways mother implies it conforms with the Aruban agenda which began on May 31, 2005 when Beth and Jug arrived on the Island.

In my opinion ... the implication of Hurley's words ... Beth Holloway's "conjoling" was the foundation of the Aruban tragedy.

Put yourself in Beth Holloway's place.  As a mother ... I always do.
 
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Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
By Patrick Hurley (bio)
March 24th, 2009


The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise.  Finally, after much cajoling from her mother and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/


Conjole: coax, persuade, wheedle, entice, sweet-talk (informal), inveigle, flatter


THE ARUBAN AGENDA

Jossy Mansur
Dana Pletzer Show
October 5, 2007


MANSUR: People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/10/05/the-dana-pretzer-show-live-friday-october-5-2007-guests-include-jossy-mansur-and-ken-shepherd/


Vanity Fair
Disappearance
Missing White Female
January, 2006


The Aruban police have reached a breaking point. In a wide-ranging interview, Gerold Dompig, the deputy police chief in charge of the case, says the biggest obstacle to solving it has been the Twitty family itself. Among other things, Dompig charges that pressure from the family sidetracked the investigation from the outset, forcing the premature arrests of the main suspects and destroying the best chance police had of gathering evidence to solve the case.

More:[/b]
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=1


Tamikosmom, you certainly have a right to your opinion.  I guess we just took the article differently. As for putting myself in Beth's place, I certainly have done that.  Being the mother of 3 daughters with one the same age as Natalee, I realize how blessed I am to still have my daughters.
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Tamikosmom, you certainly have a right to your opinion.  I guess we just took the article differently. As for putting myself in Beth's place, I certainly have done that.  Being the mother of 3 daughters with one the same age as Natalee, I realize how blessed I am to still have my daughters.

I meant ... put yourself in Beth Holloway's place in Patrick Hurley's article.  How would your feel if it was implied that your "conjoling" was  what put the tragic events into motion ... the tragic events that led to the death of your daughter.

When I read Hurley's words ... my heart broke for Beth.

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Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
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March 24th, 2009


The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise.  Finally, after much cajoling from her mother (Casa) and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/
 
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« Reply #396 on: April 03, 2009, 12:17:19 PM »

I think that the "let's blame Beth" comes more from Robin and her camp than from Dave,
although some of the theories must sink into his brain.  I am not bashing Robin, but her heart
cannot be in the same place as Beth's.  Natalee was not her child.
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« Reply #397 on: April 03, 2009, 12:24:05 PM »


Tamikosmom, you certainly have a right to your opinion.  I guess we just took the article differently. As for putting myself in Beth's place, I certainly have done that.  Being the mother of 3 daughters with one the same age as Natalee, I realize how blessed I am to still have my daughters.

I meant ... put yourself in Beth Holloway's place in Patrick Hurley's article.  How would your feel if it was implied that your "conjoling" was  what put the tragic events into motion ... the tragic events that led to the death of your daughter.

When I read Hurley's words ... my heart broke for Beth.

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Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
By Patrick Hurley (bio)
March 24th, 2009


The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise.  Finally, after much cajoling from her mother (Casa) and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/
 

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Tamikosmom, you certainly have a right to your opinion.  I guess we just took the article differently. As for putting myself in Beth's place, I certainly have done that.  Being the mother of 3 daughters with one the same age as Natalee, I realize how blessed I am to still have my daughters.

I meant ... put yourself in Beth Holloway's place in Patrick Hurley's article.  How would your feel if it was implied that your "conjoling" was  what put the tragic events into motion ... the tragic events that led to the death of your daughter.

When I read Hurley's words ... my heart broke for Beth.

Janet

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Dave Holloway goes down Fighting
By Patrick Hurley (bio)
March 24th, 2009


The sadness he feels goes all the way back to Natalee’s request to go on her senior trip to Aruba. Dave Holloway was against it. He did not feel comfortable with his girl in a foreign country. Even one called Paradise.  Finally, after much cajoling from her mother (Casa) and Natalee begging him to assent to her dream vacation, he relented. He gave his reluctant blessing. As it turns out, his instincts were right all along.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2009/03/24/holloway-goes-down-fighting/
 

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« Reply #399 on: April 03, 2009, 12:39:43 PM »

I think that the "let's blame Beth" comes more from Robin and her camp than from Dave,
although some of the theories must sink into his brain.  I am not bashing Robin, but her heart
cannot be in the same place as Beth's.  Natalee was not her child.

Magnolia ... I agree.

I have read Dave Holloway's book "Aruba: Corruption in Paradise" twice and ... not once does he undermine Natalee's mother.  I have listen to Dave Holloway over and over again for the past almost four years on the talk show circuit and ... not once does he undermine Natalee's mother.

However ... Dave Holloway must take personally responsibility for relationships and cooperation with those who have dispicably undermind Beth and ... those who have possessed an Aruban agenda early on ... an Aruban agenda that implies that the answers he seeks are not going to be forthcoming.

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« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #403 on: December 02, 2007, 11:17:37 PM »


We are not attacking the Holloways, we are QUESTIONING why on earth Robin and Dave believe that Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell are worthy of trust after how badly they have spoken about both Natalee and Beth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.400


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... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750
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