Lively Case Discussion #538 10/26 - 10/29/2005

[Anna]

Quote from Florida:

Did Paulus say he was in the bank with Rita his maid????

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This has been troubling me as well.  Is not that the name of the Sloot maid and if so what was she doing at the bank?  Sounds to me like he went home instead of to the bank.  Maybe she demanded more money considering the nature of the mess and hush money?

Then Paulus took Joran to school very later driving him there himself.  This is when Joran said Natalee hit her head.  Think by noon Paulus was told to come get Joran because he was still drunk and babbling away.

But am glad someone else is wondering what the maid was doing at the bank.  Thought I was losing my marbles on that one!

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[Florida]

IMO....

The only signifigace the V.I.P. Bar has is that it is where Dave met the "Buddhist-Psychic-Healer"

From there they walked to the Lion's Den for a meeting.

[Kat_Gram]

I knew that, I have the book. Just wondering how that dump as described by ppl who have seen it became so important.

[Leslie]

Florida:  Ruth Djirkoff (sp) was at the bank and Rita Djirkoff (sp) was the cleaning woman/maid.  Common surname in Aruba.

[Florida]

ANNA:  I'm not a big fan of the "transcripts"
IMO it's all lies
But, I do see (IMO) that Paulus is covering his tracks

Saw Rita the maid at the bank
(FWIW: Her last name matches the owners of the lighthouse rest.
& a sleezy hotel on Palm Bch. Rd.)
Was doing some gardening on Monday
Did a Google search for: Alcohol, Beer, Lawyer......

[Kat_Gram]

I think that , because , for me, anyway is that there have been so many things put out there, not necessarily by ppl to confuse the issue, but
confuse they did, that sometimes, I do not know fact from fiction any more.  And there just seems to be no way to clarify .

[Florida]

Florida:  Ruth Djirkoff (sp) was at the bank and Rita Djirkoff (sp) was the cleaning woman/maid.  Common surname in Aruba.

Oh....Thanks....Maybe I should read the transcripts more carefully. Duh!

[Leslie]

Paul says:
"At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in
the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately
500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he
had taken over my place in the tournament.
After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember
what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According
to me both Rita and Joran where at home..."

Dijkhoff -pronounced jerk off is a common surname in Aruba.

[Kat_Gram]

Well, Forida, we do agree on the Paulus issue. He is just too prominet in all of the events of the first week. So nice of him to arrange lawyers for the Kalpoes.  So nice of him to speak to Jan Van Der Stratten daily. So nice of him to have Mrs. Kalpoe over to his house.
So nice of him to notice that as long as the three amigoes were together when Natalee got out of car, Joran appears " unguilty ".

[Kat_Gram]

Paul says:
"At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in
the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately
500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he
had taken over my place in the tournament.
After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember
what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According
to me both Rita and Joran where at home..."

Dijkhoff -pronounced jerk off is a common surname in Aruba.

Hey ! ! ! U Baaaad..... he he

[Florida]

Dijkhoff -pronounced jerk off is a common surname in Aruba.

LOL Really?  How sad!

I just thought if I was a Dijkhoff...I'd work at a hotel or restaurant...JMO

[Leslie]

Upon re-re-re-reading the above portion of Paul's statement - I understand it to mean that Paul deposited 500 guilders in Joran's bank account.

[Buckeye]

O/T to None

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[Florida]

Upon re-re-re-reading the above portion of Paul's statement - I understand it to mean that Paul deposited 500 guilders in Joran's bank account.

Quite honestly, I find that kinda strange...
Why the rush to deposit the money?

He came back later...to see POSSIBLY Alex Gottenbos?

[Florida]

I've been reading about a "secret meeting" the Holloway's had....

Could someone tell me what this was about?
Is there a link to it?

TIA!

[Leslie]

I've been reading about a "secret meeting" the Holloway's had....
Could someone tell me what this was about?
Is there a link to it?
TIA!

SSSHHHH...It's a secret...

[Smish]

Well, maybe getting these girls out of C & C's is something to brag about
to the little kids at school the next day.

I think it is more sinister than that.I think the PIMPs are into making homemade movies....for sale and for trading.

Smish, I tend to agree with you. You don't shut up an entire island for a judge wannabe.

Yes, even the school children are raping, sodomizing girls at school and taking photos with their cell phones to pass all around.  This is that common of a practice on Aruba. We have one documented case that that is not to say there are not others as well as the article on elders and school children in hotels that we heard no more about. I have always thought that this could be the intent for Natalee all along.  Perhaps that's why she may have been given just a little extra in the drugging department?

Imagine trying to report a rape there, too!  Over sixty percent of sexual assaults in THIS country the US of A where we have rape shield laws, well supposed to have unless the accused is a professional athlete such as Kobe Bryant--then pretty much anything goes--go unreported.  If a girl tried to report it and could not remember the details because of the drug imagine the reaction in Aruba.  She would be called names and jokes made while they munched their Frosted Flakes at the best and at the worst would be accused of a scam herself.

And this atavistic concept that the girl some how makes the male rape her sounds just like the Taliban.  Maybe all us evil women should be wearing veils and burkas so we do not tempt these helpless males into raping us?  Not on your life am I buying into this insanity and I hope no other women will either for it sets advances made by women back to the caveman era.  And so does most pornography that I have encountered researching this concept.  Almost exclusively the theme is some sort of violence directed at women.  Sick and disgusting mindset.

Lord of the Flies also took place on an island, didn't it?  Huummm. . . . .

NO way....no way would I ever let a man tell me what to wear.I don't care if anyone thinks that what I wear could induce said person to rape......I wear what I want,when I want,where I want.I do feel sorry for rape victims everywhere(male and female)and I do understand that if you were drugged and raped you probably won't remember what happened to you BUT......IF the PIMPs have been playing this rape games for a long while and IF there are American girls who this game was played on.....I don't understand them not coming forward in this case.I know they probably do not remember what happened to them and they probably will never catch who did this to them,however,I still feel that they should come forward NOW as it may help this case.

[Kat_Gram]

Do you mean the one yesterday ?

[Anna]

Florida:  Ruth Djirkoff (sp) was at the bank and Rita Djirkoff (sp) was the cleaning woman/maid.  Common surname in Aruba.

Glad to know we don't have a part time maid and bank president for that has had me feeling sort of



Then again, like Lalas I am sick yet again with pneumonia, repeat performance.  Going to take a nap while I can.

[Florida]

Do you mean the one yesterday ?

Not sure...It was mentioned on BFN
That MIP6 & Reality were not there....

No idea what this all means.