Haleigh Marie Cummings #11 4/04/09 - 4/13/09

[Searching]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

[Wyks]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

Awwwwww Searching.... I'm so very sorry. 

[Searching]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

Awwwwww Searching.... I'm so very sorry. 

Thank you Wyks ... it has been a difficult road and though we knew it was coming it hurts like hell.

[Bud's Girl]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

So very sorry, Searching.  May God's peace be with you and your family. 

BG

[Bud's Girl]

[mlee]

Now do I have this right that there is one of many orange orchards and oranges can make drugs. There is an orange grove off of highway 17 and that is also close to the church that Ron frequents.. Are their any orange grove south of where Ron's home is that no longer harvest oranges...

Only three.. dS, mc, and joe...... 2 without doubt are criminal's, both are preditors. ms to ds.. he uses before he sends away, joe transport from isolated location.. he may have the connections in tenn.. child porn...  This is what the crazy lady was talking about. you know always a bit of truth in lies. Pulled up ds he and misses were in divorce issue during Haleigh gone missing. Crazy lady said that she was told about him being a bad preditor, selling girls for drugs, sending out of the country.. also selling for drugs to elements in tenn.. who better to  be involved another preditor.
that is the question I wanted to know also. I did not know the church was near an orange grove, but, it sure is interesting..   and this is the same church that orlando is in charge of?

I was looking for satsuma orange groves, and found a wikpidia account of the drug, which made me curious of where or how close those orange groves are. I wonder if searchers went to that orange grove area?   does ron still go to church there I wonder?

Do orange groves have docks?

hm, not that I have ever seen, of course if there is an orange grove near the river there, then I guess a dock could be present, even if it might be for the church, and again, I have not seen pic of church area, so I am blind there.

lets see if we can get a  close map of the church and orange grove area  ..

Do you remember in the last few nights, we discussed DSapp, and you made a comment about "if she was walked out to the lake and put on a boat.. And of course the dog scent they followed rather throws a well, into that.  Okay, what if?  this just came into my mind.. What if, she was taken by misty out to the boat area, and put on a boat.. Now, we have to remember this jo person from tenn is also related not only to misty, but quite possible to DSapp..  And it really is odd that this joe cousin was in florida at the same time.  Now, the scent the dogs could have followed, could have been set up. misty could have returned to the house, grabbed her sheet from her bed, if she does wet the bed, then the odor would be strong and misty walked the neighborhood and up to the tracks dragging that sheet.  If this were true, she was laughing at LE... taking them on wild goose chase. They watch tv too.. they may have suspected the dogs would be brought in..... Just a thought...

Good possibility...There has to be a thrid party involved in this... Ron. Fibsty and ?
 

Three.. DS = preditor, misty = for drugs, cousin joe = transport also preditor.  remember what the crazy lady who was posting, said she got info from ds ex wife.. ds and wife were just going through divorce when Haleigh went missing, found the court records.  He grabs little girls, uses - abuses, sells for drugs to child porn ring in Tenn, cousin joe, preditor, criminal, on probation, lives in tenn.. would he have connections?? 

Hmmmm. How would we connect the dots. With Joe.. DS with boat... Fibsty with drugs..  What do you think?

Sorry so much later, to answer question..  I lost computer to Grand when she got home from work.. had to settle stomach anyway.. went to bed.

They are right at hand.. All three know and are equally involved. This was planned, All three are related.  Remember this is little cuz.  Who would have approached who?
short elevator is the primary instigator.. She is running her mouth to DS, he is a listening shoulder to hear elevators whoes.  Tire of the kids, especially Haleigh, too much to handle, wants baby, but ron not agreeable. Wants money? Drugs? rid of Kid?
DS (a con man, criminal, preditor) he would come up with a way, and he finally tells her. We are talking a week, a day.. but planned, and planned prior to Joe's arrival in Florida. Misty agrees, but need more than two. Thus joe is called, and he heads out. Do you really think either Joe or DS care about this being a child.. no, they prey on children. So, need timeline for when Joe arrived in Fla. Planning would be within a few days of that.. Travel time down.  He arrives, waiting on specific timing.  I would think the fighting on friday, and the weekend party time, was planned a diversion.  Wonder if ron ever leaves the kids alone, when he has them.  That monday, ron working late.. misty so tired she can't remember anything.. joe at ron's sister(access to van)  Joe used that van.. Van was scratched.. misty paniced when she realized it was scratched... DS has a boat (as per crazy land), claims of hearing a boat that night out on lake.  Picked up from short elevator, taken across lake to secluded area. eventually picked up by joe in van............... don't know from here.
Timeline could be anytime after jr. fell asleep and it was dark outside. 8:00 pm until 911 call was made.  So, timing would also be after other family went to bed.. so we might be looking at 11:00 to 3:00am.   Joe would have to be with ds to control Haleigh. Means a location had already been chosen, van parked in isolated area somewhere on that lake. If ds is a fisherman and apparently he is, has boat. then he knows every inch of that area and landings. Arrive a landing, drops joe off,   Joe returns van..  Questions, did ds and haleigh stay in that area??  Did ds take her elsewhere?  Only ds knows from drop off time.. unless he brags.  My guess, that's a small community, and preditors brag, there are people out there who knows something, not telling.. fearful.. These families are violent, agressive, and there is a fear margin in that community.  Crazy lady must have put this together, but somehow in her frantic nature, it was discarted.

[mlee]

An interesting comment over at ArtHarris' site.. Interesting cuz it flies in the face of nearly everything we have researched and come up with re Donald Sapp, and placed in our Who's Who thread.  Dunno if this is anything but hearsay and rumor, but here ya go:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comments


Post #210  Iowamom Says:
April 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

The cousin that stayed with Misty’s brother Tim and sister-n-law Chelsea (next to Ron and Misty’s trailer) was not JOE Overstreet. It was Donald Lee Sapp. The person I am sure took Haleigh. Why?

1. Donald Lee Sapp is a registered sex offender who was not registered in Putnam County but Crescent City, Florida. The police would not have known he was there to question him. (he didn’t change is address from Crescent City to Satsuma until Haleigh had been gone several days and the search of the sex offenders in the area had ended).

2. He moved in with Tim and Chelsea two weeks before Haleigh went missing. That is enough time for him to watch and learn the behavior and pattens of Misty and Ron.

3. It is enough time to get “in good” with Haleigh and gain her trust.

4. Haleigh would have went with him. She had fun playing games with him over at Chelsea and Tim’s before so why would she fear him? She wouldn’t. There was a comment made by Teressa Neves about someone in Misty’s family taking Haleigh to jump on a trampoline with Haleigh, Teressa said Haleigh really loved that and would go with him to do that again. She would not be afraid of him. (this was a general comment made about Haleigh going with people she knew, never anyone she didn’t know).

5. Donald Lee Sapp would know his way around in Ron’s trailer because he spent time there partying with Ron and Misty.

6. He probably turned the light on so Haleigh could see his face so she wouldn’t be scared. He knew Misty wasn’t coming home yet. He could have even changed her shirt by the back door, he could have said, we are going next door to Chelsea’s and it’s cool outside so we better put a different shirt on you. Reassuring Haleigh’s trust. Then he carried her right out the back door. He had the door held open with a brick because he knew from being there prior to that night about the door closing shut on it’s own and he wanted it to stay open so he could carry her out without making any unneccessary noise or alert Haleigh to anything suspicious. Maybe he pulled Haleigh in her little kid wagon? Just to make it more fun? Could be why the blankets and sheets were out there, he had planned to put them in the wagon and didn’t to be used to wrap Haleigh in to get to the next destination. It is also possible that Donald Sapp came out of Chelsea and Tim’s trailer and took the van right then, backed it up in the woods for a quick get away and then scratched it and broke the light. Or maybe he pulled it right up to the back door of Ron’s trailer. I haven’t figured that part out yet. But he would know the van, know where the keys where, know it wouldn’t be missed until the next morning at school time. The only thing is he didn’t put it back where it was parked, Chelsea said it was further over then where she parked it. (Chelsea also said she has a good idea who took Haleigh but then wouldn’t say on her interview with the media she said, “Misty thinks I scratched her van, I didn’t, I have a pretty good idea who did”

7. He drove the Van (Misty’s or Chelsea’s or whomever owns it) to Crescent City to his real residence. He then left her there, I am not sure what kind of shape she would be in, don’t want to think about that. Perhaps he drugged her so she would sleep all night. It is 12 minutes from door to door. Or maybe he dumped her somewhere between Satsuma and Crescent City.

8. After it was reported Haleigh was missing, Misty was not sure where Donald Sapp was at the time (this knowledge is first hand from her in an email to me) She also states that Donald was at the tent location later that afternoon and he was trying to be very helpful, but she said “he became standoffish” (her words) when the cops were searching the trailers. (I sent Misty and Ron and email the first week after Haleigh went missing, she replied to me once with a simple thank you, after nothing from her for 3-4 weeks she emailed me the Joe Overstreet theory I in turn emailed her my Donald Lee Sapp theory, then she replied with the info above, she has emailed me again since, I am not corresponding with her any longer).

9. There was a comment posted after a report done by ABC News on Ronald’s tattoo experience. “around the corner” Chelsea and Tim’s? .362 miles door to door. Remember while reading the comment that Ronald has referred to Haleigh as “his heart” in every interview. I also like the nick the person used, spysinrcamp, SPYS IN YOUR CAMP. Link: http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-travels-to-Pinellas-to-get/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx?p=Comments LAST ONE ON SECOND PAGE OF COMMENTS FOR THE CANNOT SEE PERSON FOR THE TREES COMMENT.

POST: Good job kid. Don’t let the world beat you down…You “ARE” on the right track. Don’t let anyone “lead’ you around the “wrong road”. Follow your “heart strings”.That is how yoy will find “your heart”. Sometimes the things we seek are just around “the corner” and we miss it because “that place,person,or thing” we “seek” is being “hidden” by “someone or something” we never imagined right in front of our faces,offering help,pretendind to care.You know,”cabin for the trees” sort of thing. Good Luck “Kid”…

Another comment the same person made referrs to murdered children in Oregon who were found in the neighbors yard. http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-travels-to-Pinellas-to-get/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx?p=Comments

spysinrcamp wrote: This reminds me of another story where two girls were abducted and the whole town come out to help search. Turned out “the perpretrator” was “helping” in the search. Was not only someone the “whole town knew” but was also a “friend of a friend” who worked close by. Everyone was shocked to say the least .
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DONALD LEE SAPP SEX OFFENDER SHEET
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=6441

 

Doesn't tim and chelsea live in jacksonville?

DONALD   SAPP
E PALATKA,  FL
Booking#: 08-01916  -  Booking Date & Time: 4/27/2008 12:16:12 AM

DOB: 10/21/1970 -  RACE: W  -  SEX: M
Charges       Misd/Felony   Degree   Bond   Bond Posted
741.31-4E   VIOLATION OF DOMESTIC INJUNCTION/CONTACT   M   1    $504.00    4/27/2008 11:29:35 AM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=746260&IMG=55520

The only thing that I need to bring to attention.. Joe Overstreet was in Florida, he had dropped off the Tenn Le radar, and was being looked for, he did admit to being down there, where he was staying apparently unknown. But had to be a reason he would be there at the same time Haleigh went missing.  And I do believe he and misty are involved, in this.. not only ds.. but all three.

[islandmonkey]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

Searching, I am so sorry for your loss. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

[theboyzmom]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

Searching I am so sorry. I know from personal experience no matter how expected, the death of a parent is heartbreaking. Please know I will keep you in my prayers.

[Searching]

Thank you monkeys. Been up all night trying to get rest of family together. I am exhausted.. I know my monkey family will keep digging to find Haleigh or at least a good idea of what happened to her.. Hoping a monkey that has my e-mail addy can keep me updated thru e-mail...
Good day all.

[mlee]

Thank you monkeys. Been up all night trying to get rest of family together. I am exhausted.. I know my monkey family will keep digging to find Haleigh or at least a good idea of what happened to her.. Hoping a monkey that has my e-mail addy can keep me updated thru e-mail...
Good day all.

Searching, my heart is with you....

[mlee]

An interesting comment over at ArtHarris' site.. Interesting cuz it flies in the face of nearly everything we have researched and come up with re Donald Sapp, and placed in our Who's Who thread.  Dunno if this is anything but hearsay and rumor, but here ya go:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comments


Post #210  Iowamom Says:
April 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

The cousin that stayed with Misty’s brother Tim and sister-n-law Chelsea (next to Ron and Misty’s trailer) was not JOE Overstreet. It was Donald Lee Sapp. The person I am sure took Haleigh. Why?

1. Donald Lee Sapp is a registered sex offender who was not registered in Putnam County but Crescent City, Florida. The police would not have known he was there to question him. (he didn’t change is address from Crescent City to Satsuma until Haleigh had been gone several days and the search of the sex offenders in the area had ended).

2. He moved in with Tim and Chelsea two weeks before Haleigh went missing. That is enough time for him to watch and learn the behavior and pattens of Misty and Ron.

3. It is enough time to get “in good” with Haleigh and gain her trust.

4. Haleigh would have went with him. She had fun playing games with him over at Chelsea and Tim’s before so why would she fear him? She wouldn’t. There was a comment made by Teressa Neves about someone in Misty’s family taking Haleigh to jump on a trampoline with Haleigh, Teressa said Haleigh really loved that and would go with him to do that again. She would not be afraid of him. (this was a general comment made about Haleigh going with people she knew, never anyone she didn’t know).

5. Donald Lee Sapp would know his way around in Ron’s trailer because he spent time there partying with Ron and Misty.

6. He probably turned the light on so Haleigh could see his face so she wouldn’t be scared. He knew Misty wasn’t coming home yet. He could have even changed her shirt by the back door, he could have said, we are going next door to Chelsea’s and it’s cool outside so we better put a different shirt on you. Reassuring Haleigh’s trust. Then he carried her right out the back door. He had the door held open with a brick because he knew from being there prior to that night about the door closing shut on it’s own and he wanted it to stay open so he could carry her out without making any unneccessary noise or alert Haleigh to anything suspicious. Maybe he pulled Haleigh in her little kid wagon? Just to make it more fun? Could be why the blankets and sheets were out there, he had planned to put them in the wagon and didn’t to be used to wrap Haleigh in to get to the next destination. It is also possible that Donald Sapp came out of Chelsea and Tim’s trailer and took the van right then, backed it up in the woods for a quick get away and then scratched it and broke the light. Or maybe he pulled it right up to the back door of Ron’s trailer. I haven’t figured that part out yet. But he would know the van, know where the keys where, know it wouldn’t be missed until the next morning at school time. The only thing is he didn’t put it back where it was parked, Chelsea said it was further over then where she parked it. (Chelsea also said she has a good idea who took Haleigh but then wouldn’t say on her interview with the media she said, “Misty thinks I scratched her van, I didn’t, I have a pretty good idea who did”

7. He drove the Van (Misty’s or Chelsea’s or whomever owns it) to Crescent City to his real residence. He then left her there, I am not sure what kind of shape she would be in, don’t want to think about that. Perhaps he drugged her so she would sleep all night. It is 12 minutes from door to door. Or maybe he dumped her somewhere between Satsuma and Crescent City.

8. After it was reported Haleigh was missing, Misty was not sure where Donald Sapp was at the time (this knowledge is first hand from her in an email to me) She also states that Donald was at the tent location later that afternoon and he was trying to be very helpful, but she said “he became standoffish” (her words) when the cops were searching the trailers. (I sent Misty and Ron and email the first week after Haleigh went missing, she replied to me once with a simple thank you, after nothing from her for 3-4 weeks she emailed me the Joe Overstreet theory I in turn emailed her my Donald Lee Sapp theory, then she replied with the info above, she has emailed me again since, I am not corresponding with her any longer).

9. There was a comment posted after a report done by ABC News on Ronald’s tattoo experience. “around the corner” Chelsea and Tim’s? .362 miles door to door. Remember while reading the comment that Ronald has referred to Haleigh as “his heart” in every interview. I also like the nick the person used, spysinrcamp, SPYS IN YOUR CAMP. Link: http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-travels-to-Pinellas-to-get/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx?p=Comments LAST ONE ON SECOND PAGE OF COMMENTS FOR THE CANNOT SEE PERSON FOR THE TREES COMMENT.

POST: Good job kid. Don’t let the world beat you down…You “ARE” on the right track. Don’t let anyone “lead’ you around the “wrong road”. Follow your “heart strings”.That is how yoy will find “your heart”. Sometimes the things we seek are just around “the corner” and we miss it because “that place,person,or thing” we “seek” is being “hidden” by “someone or something” we never imagined right in front of our faces,offering help,pretendind to care.You know,”cabin for the trees” sort of thing. Good Luck “Kid”…

Another comment the same person made referrs to murdered children in Oregon who were found in the neighbors yard. http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Haleigh-Cummings-dad-travels-to-Pinellas-to-get/LkXNZKVxEEaVCNKoYu8SYg.cspx?p=Comments

spysinrcamp wrote: This reminds me of another story where two girls were abducted and the whole town come out to help search. Turned out “the perpretrator” was “helping” in the search. Was not only someone the “whole town knew” but was also a “friend of a friend” who worked close by. Everyone was shocked to say the least .
FIRST PAGE OF COMMENTS

DONALD LEE SAPP SEX OFFENDER SHEET
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=6441

 

Doesn't tim and chelsea live in jacksonville?

DONALD   SAPP
E PALATKA,  FL
Booking#: 08-01916  -  Booking Date & Time: 4/27/2008 12:16:12 AM

DOB: 10/21/1970 -  RACE: W  -  SEX: M
Charges       Misd/Felony   Degree   Bond   Bond Posted
741.31-4E   VIOLATION OF DOMESTIC INJUNCTION/CONTACT   M   1    $504.00    4/27/2008 11:29:35 AM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=746260&IMG=55520

The only thing that I need to bring to attention.. Joe Overstreet was in Florida, he had dropped off the Tenn Le radar, and was being looked for, he did admit to being down there, where he was staying apparently unknown. But had to be a reason he would be there at the same time Haleigh went missing.  And I do believe he and misty are involved, in this.. not only ds.. but all three.

spysinrcamp I believe is Ron... the graphic image he is using is a new thingy across the web, this is what it means.

O RLY? is an abbreviation for "Oh, really?" and is an Internet phenomenon, typically presented as an image macro featuring a Snowy Owl. The phrase "O RLY?" is typically used in a sarcastic or sardonic manner, often in response to a statement that the speaker feels is obvious, or blatantly false and/or self-contradictory.[1] Some internet forum trolls may also reply "O RLY?" in response to a lengthy or overly detailed post.

Re reading his post, the conversation about the people at the tatoo parlor:

To the news dude reporter I would like to say that the bit about what was said in the tat parlor should not have been announced unless you can prove it. I find it hard to believe that anybody in the tat shop would have said anything off camera that they would not be willing to say on camera. As for the tats Ron got I can tell you from situations with people I know-----Rons getting focused.He's on a mission.He's preparing for war. So why don't you guys knock it off announcing rumors that may or may not be true, that only serve to hinder the investigation ..TIA ..mho and whatnot.. 

He also refers to ron as "the Kid",  he is talking about himself..  I guess it bolsters his ego.  I'm going to leave a post for him on that site and see what response comes back.

[GramaMonkey]

My thoughts will be with you Searching.

[GramaMonkey]

My thoughts will be with you Searching.

I have started a new Thread in the 'Monkey Lounge' - For Searching's Dad...to post your sympathy.

[Heart]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

My condolences Searching to you and yours!

[lady]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

Aww Searching im so sorry...My thoughts are with you.

[Heart]

Good Morning Monkeys!

#  Art Harris Says:
April 6th, 2009 at 7:18 am

police know about sapp, but don’t think he’s high on the list…

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comment-31373

[starcat29]

Dad slipped away shortly before 2 a.m
I will be out of pocket for a while.....

Sorry to hear that search my thoughts and prayers will be with you and you family

[cookie]

Snipped from Jerseygirl's post reference the Pirate post:

Within two minutes of my sending the e mail, I had a response from Kim telling me to call her and she would explain it to me. I expressed my surprise at the quick response and she told me that she responds to every e mail she receives pertaining to Haleigh. Kim appreciated my desire to get the right information out there and in my opinion is a straight shooter. I can understand why she has such a good reputation in South Florida.

This part is b.s. as I have emailed KP twice in reference to Haleigh and never got a response. I would also think that Ron would have been up Crystal's arse for the child support if Crystal thought it was being deducted from her check.

Other than that, I think Crystal is doing the right thing and Ron/Misty are in this way over their heads.

Lucky, I thought the same thing about the child support deductions...Crystal can't be that dumb..I worked in payroll and even the people who could not speak English and others who
did not have a high school education could see on their check stub what was taken out of their check or could add up how much they made per hour minus taxes...that doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out imo... they notice when an extra dime was missing...That excuse would never fly in court especially if it were a man claiming that he thought it was being taken out of his check...imo....(per Judge Judy..tee hee)....
anyhow, I think that Crystal is trying to do right by Haleigh...perhaps a little late, but better late than never...by late, I don't mean that I think that she has passed, just a little late, that she could have done more for her kids before now...jmo...
When hubby and I set up our trusts, it cost us approx..$2400....did they do it pro bono for Crystal? which would be nice if they did...

[cookie]

Hey Wyks.. How ya been... What are your thoughs on some of the new stuff coming out...

Doing ok Jerseygirl, thanks!  How you been?  And I really dunno what to think about any of it anymore.  With so many lies and such in this case, who do we trust to be telling the truth, or giving info without a hidden agenda?  Am just kicked back and watching it all, taking it in, trying to get a feel for what sounds like it fits with the rest of what we've heard. 

Sure wish LE would DOOOOOOOOOOOOO something, sayyyyyyyyyy something, arrest somebody!!!   

 

Hey Wykers....I agree...it is hard to know what to believe anymore...I am just waiting till we get some real facts from LE till I make up my mind who did what...hope it is soon!