Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09

[San]

The effects:

- Users take the drug to enhance feelings of empathy with other people and increase sensitivity to their surroundings;
- Sound, colour and emotions can seem much more intense;
- The energy buzz from ecstasy means users may dance for hours;
- The effects usually take about half an hour to kick in;
- The effects tend to last three to six hours, followed by a gradual comedown.

http://www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsatoz/ecstasy

[texasmom]

Texasmom - this may help?


Legacy Offshore = Louis Schaefer

11/14/2007
Louis Schaefer retires and resigns his position as Chairman of the Board of Superior Offshore International.

11/15/2007
Superior Offshore Int'l:  Louis Schaefer sells more of his stocks:

11/20/2007
Louis Schaefer and Charles Zamora register Legacy Offshore, LLC; a Louisiana Limited Liability Company

Thanks Lifesong!   

[ohcanada]

thnx rad
next question
dowe know how   long the car ride is from c&c around the block and to the
"light house"

[San]

thnx rad
next question
dowe know how   long the car ride is from c&c around the block and to the
"light house"

About 25 mins depending on traffic.

Here is a Map.

[ohcanada]

thnx san...sorry about the rad ..cant see the kboard very good

[ohcanada]

possible scenerio

partial scenerio

deepak goes to car ahead of everyone to prepare the drink

Natalee and the two guys comr out of the bar
..no drugs involved yet

they leave and see Natalee's friends and she yells to them
...no drugs yet...deepak ..i dont think this is a good idea

Natalee stays with them and they circle the block
friends are gone

she takes a drink(s) from the spiked drink
they cruise till it takes affect
possibly out to the light house and back to the beach

this is where satish pulls out the CAMERA to film something
for back seat bangers or whatever the site is

Natalee figures out what's going on ...demands that they stop
and fights to get control of the camera..possibly gets ahold of it
and gets out of the car and tries to run away...joran follows her out of the car
deepak and satish get out to help....they catch her and this is where the possiblr rape

takes place...she gets away again and runs into the
swamp where the plastic bag is found....

now she either gets seriously hurt by one or all....
or satish takes the car back out to the road and runs into Natalee
on the road by the spot on the road by the plastic bag
and knocks her into the cement thing that holds the plastic bag

they freak
 
joran stays with Natalee while deepak takes satish
home...thusly the next day satish asks his brother how's the girl
he knew she was hurt but didnt know the outcome

deepak returns to help joran
they have all tried to have a reason for deepaks car returning




when joran gets home he checks to see if satish has uploaded the movie?

[San]

possible scenerio

partial scenerio

deepak goes to car ahead of everyone to prepare the drink

Natalee and the two guys comr out of the bar
..no drugs involved yet

they leave and see Natalee's friends and she yells to them
...no drugs yet...deepak ..i dont think this is a good idea

Natalee stays with them and they circle the block
friends are gone

she takes a drink(s) from the spiked drink
they cruise till it takes affect
possibly out to the light house and back to the beach

this is where satish pulls out the CAMERA to film something
for back seat bangers or whatever the site is

Natalee figures out what's going on ...demands that they stop
and fights to get control of the camera..possibly gets ahold of it
and gets out of the car and tries to run away...joran follows her out of the car
deepak and satish get out to help....they catch her and this is where the possiblr rape

takes place...she gets away again and runs into the
swamp where the plastic bag is found....

now she either gets seriously hurt by one or all....
or satish takes the car back out to the road and runs into Natalee
on the road by the spot on the road by the plastic bag
and knocks her into the cement thing that holds the plastic bag

they freak
 
joran stays with Natalee while deepak takes satish
home...thusly the next day satish asks his brother how's the girl
he knew she was hurt but didnt know the outcome

deepak returns to help joran
they have all tried to have a reason for deepaks car returning

when joran gets home he checks to see if satish has uploaded the movie?

It could be a possible scenairo.  From what we have heard from Beth and Dave they believe Natalee was drugged before she went into the car.

We all have our own thoughts has to what happened.  I believe Joran, Kalpoes or the bartendar spiked her drink.  I believe something happened in the car.  I believe the crime happened in Joran's apartment.  I also believe that Paulus was home when it happened.  I think Satish freaked out and Paulus did not want the Kalpoes at his home when this happened.  He didn't want them to see who he was going to call to help.  Thus enter Van der Straaten and Karin Janssen.  This was a professional coverup and these two individuals made it happened.  Joran and the Kalpoes are too stupid to have pulled this off themselves.  There were a lot of dirty hands in this coverup.

[Tamikosmom]

Jossy Mansur was an outspoken adovcate for Natalee Holloway and her family at one time.  What happened?

 

Klaas ... is there a transcript of the following Jossy Mansur interview with Dana Pretzer? 

Thanks

Janet

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The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston

December 2nd, 2006

42:00

MANSUR: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment.  According to Gerold Dompig, the three boys admitted "that they did ‘have sex with’ this girl when she was going in and out of consciousness. This is a fact.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/

Continued:

The Dana Pretzer Show - December 1st, 2006 Jossy Mansur, Jacques Hollander and Micheal Winston

December 2nd, 2006

42:00

I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape.  Which would be 8 years imprisonment.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/02/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-1st-2006-jossy-mansur-jacques-mansur-and-micheal-winston/

Here`s that Jossy tape . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U&feature=channel_page

The LineUp 12-03-06

Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone:

Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance.

Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.

Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.

Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.

Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy?

Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.

Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this?

Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.

Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?

Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape.

Kimberly: And what else did he tell you?

Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.

Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?

Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.

Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor?

Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.

Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information?

Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.

Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.

http://www.katablog.com/day_blogs.cfm?d=4&m=12&y=2006


VIDEO - GEROLD DOMPIG

Lineup with Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSWgZm6ivo

[Tamikosmom]

texasmom

I shared your video clip "I will rise again" with my daughter and son-in-law today.  They were moved.

Thank you again.

Janet

[texasmom]

texasmom

I shared your video clip "I will rise again" with my daughter and son-in-law today.  They were moved.

Thank you again.

Janet

Thank you Janet, that's so nice to know!  Makes my day!   

Thought you might be interested....

Dallas Holm, the writer/performer of the song has achieved the following awards in recognition of his work in Gospel music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Holm

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Awards
Dove Awards

1977
Song of the Year: "Rise Again"
Songwriter of the Year
Male Vocalist of the Year
Mixed Group of the Year (Dallas Holm and Praise)
1979
Male Vocalist of the Year
Pop/Contemporary Album: All That Matters (Dallas Holm and Praise)
1992
Inspirational Album of the Year: Generation 2 Generation (Benson artists and their families)
Grammy nominations

1987
Best Gospel Performance - Male: "Against the Wind"
2007
Inducted into the Christian Music Hall of Fame

[Keepthefaith]

Good Evening Monkey's...... Hope everyone had a Blessed Easter Sunday...


WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET THE EVIL ISLAND

[texasmom]

Good Evening Monkey's...... Hope everyone had a Blessed Easter Sunday...


WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET THE EVIL ISLAND

Hi KTF!  Good to see you!   

 

[Keepthefaith]

Good Evening Monkey's...... Hope everyone had a Blessed Easter Sunday...


WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET THE EVIL ISLAND

Hi KTF!  Good to see you!   

 

Nice to see you too TM..

[Keepthefaith]

                          JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

It always seems impossible until its done. 
                                       Nelson Mandela





                              GOODNIGHT AND GODBLESS
 
                                        KEEPTHEFAITH

[texasmom]

                          JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

It always seems impossible until its done. 
                                       Nelson Mandela





                              GOODNIGHT AND GODBLESS
 
                                        KEEPTHEFAITH

Good Night KTF!   

[Anna]

We had a strange weather phenomenon and 150,000+ people lost electricity.  Mine was just restored tonight and am so happy to have lights and heat again!

Catching up on all the news as seems like lots happened today while I was gone!

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[hotping]

Good Morning Monkeys and Guests!

Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please!

 

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Good Morning Monkeys and Guests!

Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please!

 

 

Ollie ollie ossenfree!   

I was off checking my cable provider's lineup and found that I can't get the movie on Sunday. 

[hotping]

Good Morning Monkeys and Guests!

Come Out Come Out Whereever You Are! Please!

 

 

Ollie ollie ossenfree!   

I was off checking my cable provider's lineup and found that I can't get the movie on Sunday. 

Oh NO 2NJ....There has to be an alternative way to see it....