Natalee Case Discussion #815 4/8/09 - 4/16/09

[texasmom]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle Kingman's own words posted on the Scared Monkeys' forum attests that the truth is not being related to the Stepfather of Natalee Holloway.  A command of the English language dictates that interpretation is not necessary.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ...

Kyle Kingman:  I said the FBI did a DNA analysis on the sample they received. They re-interpreted this as having found remains in the trap.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - SCARED MONKEYS

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #332 on: March 04, 2008, 12:21:17 AM »

If you quote me, please include the quote for accuracy.  I never said there were no human remains.  I woudn't comment to that effect.  I have neither confirmed nor denied the issue.  The only comment I said was quoting Tim Trahan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »

As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated.  The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample.  Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case.  The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366289;topicseen#msg366289

[2NJSons_Mom]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

Thanks, texasmom.   Airing at Midnight in Aruba????? mmmmmmmmmm

Since I found our cable provider does not offer LMN, I have been trying to see how I might be able to view the film.  I just found comments on the LMN site, that you may know of (saw a texasmom post).  Not surprising are all the usual negative comments, including one from C-Rat.     

http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks, Janet!       

[texasmom]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

Thanks, texasmom.   Airing at Midnight in Aruba????? mmmmmmmmmm

Since I found our cable provider does not offer LMN, I have been trying to see how I might be able to view the film.  I just found comments on the LMN site, that you may know of (saw a texasmom post).  Not surprising are all the usual negative comments, including one from C-Rat.     

http://community.mylifetime.com/community/lmn/discussions/talk-about-natalee-holloway

You're welcome 2NJ.  Yes, I've been there, was there reading last night...and today.  Actually started another post last night but was so mad and shaking that I couldn't find my references fast enough so I decided to call it a night instead.  It's really sad how that same group attacks every board, their agenda is so obvious.   

At the very least, I have been very thankful to see that I'm not the only one who KNOWS WHO THOSE WACKOS ARE!   

We need to figure out a way for you to see the movie!   

[Tamikosmom]

In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal.

Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ...

In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

Kyle Kingman:  ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle Kingman:  I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

[texasmom]

What is Serge Mansur to Jossy?  Nephew?  I was looking at his website earlier and read his bio through a translator, but there were so many Mansurs mentioned, I got lost.  I had seen the ad on the bottom of the Diario page.

www.sergemansur.com 

Yes, I've noticed the website has been on the front page of Diario also for a while now. 

[texasmom]

In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal.

Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ...

In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

Kyle Kingman:  ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle Kingman:  I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

Thanks Janet!   

[Blue Moon]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country?

[texasmom]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country?

AMEN! 

[2NJSons_Mom]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country?

AMEN! 

     I just noticed Joe Taco Pina.   

[Tamikosmom]

In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal.

Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ...

In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

Kyle Kingman:  ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle Kingman:  I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

Thanks Janet!   

Following is the actually quote that should have formed part of the above post.

Janet

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ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  John wasn't refusing to give it any credence before inspection on Jan 7th, he was remaining objective and keeping focused. I said John wasn't convinced. He wasn't. He said he wouldn't be convinced unless he heard otherwise from the FBI.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55234.php

Google translation:

Retailers Renaissance Marketplace closing doors

15 Apr, 2009, 15:28 (GMT -04:00)

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Several shops in Renaissance Marketplace recently closed their doors. At the end of this month is also the shop of businessman / artist René van Nie close.


ORANGE CITY - In recent months, several shops in Renaissance Marketplace closed their doors. The latest 'victim' is the store / exhibition space of Rene van Nie. Nonetheless, the store closures are not that bad with the mall, says marketing assistant Zugheila Linde Borgh.

Recently several cases have closed their doors, as Figaro barbershop, jewelry store Rage Oro and Sbarro pizzeria. The Sbarro affiliates in the hotel zone and airport, according to reliable sources better run, and then decided on the establishment in the Renaissance Marketplace closing. By April 30, however, wound businessman and artist Rene van Nie fourteen years after his shop and exhibition space at the mall.

Van Nie, this addition to a substantial decline of its sales, also due to the policy of the mall. The conclusion of his case means for the artist the end of a business suffering with a partner who is not on the current negative developments in the financial-economic area to play. "

Marketing Co-Borgh Linde says: "The bigger stores still see a slight break as the costs and turnover. Some still make profits in these difficult times. That is not the case for smaller and it is a shame to close these shops to see go. But we can not be here if it is not financially feasible for them. We introduce a rental policy based on fixed prices. Since we do not change. We make no deals. "

According to her is so good with the shopping center. "We are engaged in a reorganization and renovation of the mall. If the work completed, the acquisition gives it a whole new look, with shops and restaurants aimed at the local population. "


The shopping center is in a change in its phase, just as the Renaissance Mall on the other side last year. That was a so-called high end mall changed with expensive brand shops focused on the (foreign) copper with a thick fair.

"But the concept of the Renaissance Marketplace is different," explains Linde Borgh off. "It focuses on a different kind visitor, especially so the Aruban. That can about six months, a refurbished shopping center expect on the outside of restaurants and restaurants with terraces, and inside the various shops and business that do not compete. "

The first phase of work on the side of the Marina, are almost completed. On the corner where The Villa was formerly restaurant is Taste of Belgium and also running a case where Sbarro Saturday is Starbucks coffee case. The popular items such as the Plaza Cafe, fast food restaurant Taco Bell and Subway sandwich shop continue, if known, where they are, says Linde Borgh. "We are now in negotiations with Subway to see if they want to expand. We have noticed that every day during lunch outside on the square a long row of people waiting, and perhaps interesting for Subway to make more space for its customers. "

The marketing manager states that there are many houses are empty because the tenants have decided to terminate their contract and their case to conclude: "We have decided that they will not hire for the renovation work easier."

[Tamikosmom]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country?

 

Thanks Texasmom and Blue Moon.

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

Sorry, but I still get    when I think of those contacting family and others.  It's not something I would or could do.....guess I'll never understand it.   

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks, Janet!       

You are welcome 2NJSons_Mom.

Unless Jug Twitty has been made aware of ALL of Kyle Kingman's own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds ... he is in the dark in regards to the John Silvetti betrayal ... the John Silvetti betrayal that may have prevented his stepdaughter to be brought home to rest on American soil. .

 

Janet

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'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7:47 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She deserves it, and everyone knows it, Martin, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55233.php

Google translation:

[Tamikosmom]

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55228.php

4/15/2009 Amigoe

Google translation:

 

[Blue Moon]

4/15/2009 Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_55229.php

When will they EVER get the message-----the interest has NEVER ended and WILL NEVER end until they resolve this and return Natalee to her family and country?

AMEN! 

     I just noticed Joe Taco Pina.   

I noticed that also, my first thought is "They have read here in the past and found what we have referred to him as".