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« Reply #1140 on: April 12, 2009, 12:37:43 PM »

In the comment section after this article about suicide watch:

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2304030-Huckaby+on+suicide+watch&article-Huckaby%20on%20suicide%20watch%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

RWB wrote on Sunday, Apr 12 at 09:01 AM »Sorry to the poster EMMABELLA that she did not graduate from WHS, and went to Brea....but I went to West 1996 class, and SHE IS IN MY YEARBOOK, as a SOPHMORE when I was a Freshman, so there! I know someone at the hospital, they told me she swallowed a razor blade and tried to kill herself, causing the internal bleeding (told y'all it had to be caused from something traumatic), AND that she did this on Monday, the day the body was discovered. Also, you all who keep calling her a sunday school teacher, this is total BS. They dont even hold services at that ghetto church, and there is no sunday school. There only is like 15 parishoners, and they all look like meth heads. Also, I grew up in the delta area north of town. This "pond" everyone keeps referring to, it is NOT A POND. Google earth it, is just off Whitehall road, which is just off Tracy Blvd. For those of you who know this road, its where Tracy Blvd makes its first of two sharp curves (where the 35 mph sign has flashing lights). This "pond" is a hole that collectings all the runoff from the diary. Its a CRAP POND people. All the waste from washing down the stalls and cows themselves goes into that pond. It does NOT run into the river, and it does NOT get used for irragation. I was out there on Monday, and saw the police presence when they found the suitcase. They maintained all day that they did not know what was in the case. BS. The workers took the time to pull the case over to the bank......of course they opened it....if they werent going to, why pull it to the side? I am sure that they looked in, thats why there was such a police presence, thats why the coroner was there. THe county coroner does not appear on scene without a body, and certainly does not wait around for hours, as he did in this case. I think either she drugged her (thats why we keep hearing the toxicology is pending) or she accidently killed her, struck her, ran her over etc. But if that was so, she technically didn't "kidnapp" her, and they charged that. I think she then put her in the suitcase, and stored the suitcase either under the church in the crawlspace, of in that shed (the police were very interested in those two areas) before it was dumped. What is stumping me is how she got that 50 pound suitcase into the "pond", reportedly in the center of the pond......I think that would take more than one person to do. I have heard she confeesed it all, and "provided details of the kidnapping and murder". Also, if you notice, she is charged "in connection with the kidnapping and murder of Sandra Cantu", which CAN mean there is someone else....she could have just been the one to dump the body. That wording, "in connection with" can have important meaning


Interesting article.  I can't believe that she would swallow a razor blade however, and be out of the hospital talking with in 3 or 4 days.  That part makes no sense to me. 

Does the part 'in connection with' really have another meaning?  I gathered it was just saying she was charged with the crime of kidnapping and murder in connection to the disappearance of Sandra Cantu/  Does anyone know? 

In my opinion, I don't think so. I've been practicing law a long time, and I can't ever remember seeing those words used to imply that others may be involved in the commission of the crime.  That's not to say it's not the case here.  But I think they were just associating her with the crime and choosing the typical words LE uses to announce an arrest because they are safe words and prevent any later accusations that they were trying to bias a potential jury pool.  JMHO
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« Reply #1141 on: April 12, 2009, 12:41:07 PM »

In the comment section after this article about suicide watch:

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2304030-Huckaby+on+suicide+watch&article-Huckaby%20on%20suicide%20watch%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

RWB wrote on Sunday, Apr 12 at 09:01 AM »Sorry to the poster EMMABELLA that she did not graduate from WHS, and went to Brea....but I went to West 1996 class, and SHE IS IN MY YEARBOOK, as a SOPHMORE when I was a Freshman, so there! I know someone at the hospital, they told me she swallowed a razor blade and tried to kill herself, causing the internal bleeding (told y'all it had to be caused from something traumatic), AND that she did this on Monday, the day the body was discovered. Also, you all who keep calling her a sunday school teacher, this is total BS. They dont even hold services at that ghetto church, and there is no sunday school. There only is like 15 parishoners, and they all look like meth heads. Also, I grew up in the delta area north of town. This "pond" everyone keeps referring to, it is NOT A POND. Google earth it, is just off Whitehall road, which is just off Tracy Blvd. For those of you who know this road, its where Tracy Blvd makes its first of two sharp curves (where the 35 mph sign has flashing lights). This "pond" is a hole that collectings all the runoff from the diary. Its a CRAP POND people. All the waste from washing down the stalls and cows themselves goes into that pond. It does NOT run into the river, and it does NOT get used for irragation. I was out there on Monday, and saw the police presence when they found the suitcase. They maintained all day that they did not know what was in the case. BS. The workers took the time to pull the case over to the bank......of course they opened it....if they werent going to, why pull it to the side? I am sure that they looked in, thats why there was such a police presence, thats why the coroner was there. THe county coroner does not appear on scene without a body, and certainly does not wait around for hours, as he did in this case. I think either she drugged her (thats why we keep hearing the toxicology is pending) or she accidently killed her, struck her, ran her over etc. But if that was so, she technically didn't "kidnapp" her, and they charged that. I think she then put her in the suitcase, and stored the suitcase either under the church in the crawlspace, of in that shed (the police were very interested in those two areas) before it was dumped. What is stumping me is how she got that 50 pound suitcase into the "pond", reportedly in the center of the pond......I think that would take more than one person to do. I have heard she confeesed it all, and "provided details of the kidnapping and murder". Also, if you notice, she is charged "in connection with the kidnapping and murder of Sandra Cantu", which CAN mean there is someone else....she could have just been the one to dump the body. That wording, "in connection with" can have important meaning


Interesting article.  I can't believe that she would swallow a razor blade however, and be out of the hospital talking with in 3 or 4 days.  That part makes no sense to me. 

Does the part 'in connection with' really have another meaning?  I gathered it was just saying she was charged with the crime of kidnapping and murder in connection to the disappearance of Sandra Cantu/  Does anyone know? 

In my opinion, I don't think so. I've been practicing law a long time, and I can't ever remember seeing those words used to imply that others may be involved in the commission of the crime.  That's not to say it's not the case here.  But I think they were just associating her with the crime and choosing the typical words LE uses to announce an arrest because they are safe words and prevent any later accusations that they were trying to bias a potential jury pool.  JMHO


Oh, an I definitely agree with you on the "swallow a razor" part.  For the nurses on board, wouldn't that have required extensive surgery?

As for this guy's definition of the pond, any locals know (Traceygirl?) whether that's true?  Seems unlikely to me.  Maybe I don't want to know.

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« Reply #1142 on: April 12, 2009, 12:45:36 PM »

Now I'm wondering if Melissa was the one that slashed Sandra's grandpa's tires?
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« Reply #1143 on: April 12, 2009, 12:47:03 PM »

I really don't understand why there is such an issue with the possibility of a woman moving a 50 lbs. suitcase and putting it in a pond.  I am only 5'1" and of small stature.  I've moved around/carried/dragged suitcases and trunks (no wheels even)  that were at least 50 lbs. all over the world.  In and out of rental cars, up and down stairs when there was no elevator/escalator, through parking lots and yes, even over  rough terrain.  And I wasn't scared and trying to rid myself of a dead child's body, which would possibly be made easier by being alarmed or afraid (desperate) and an adrenaline factor kicking in.   That said, I think there was personally more involvement besides Melissa Huckaby in this case.  Melissa may have had help putting the suitcase in the water or someone else may have put it in the water or even she AND another person(s) could have put it into the water.  I don't know.  I'm just saying I believe it's possible she could have put it there herself.   I just went in and asked my hubby if he thought I would be able to move a 50 lb. suitcase out of a car, move it across a field and dump it in a pond and he said "of course".   I move around 50 lb. bags of mulch, fertilizer, dog food and etc.  Just sayin'...
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« Reply #1144 on: April 12, 2009, 12:48:36 PM »

I'm wondering about that razor blade, first I can't even imagine swallowing one  but you sure would think something like that would cause some serious damage, but since I'm not a nurse, and I know there are nurses on SM maybe one will give some info on a situation like this. Like I said I heard she popped blood thinning pills, which makes more sense, but again who knows?
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« Reply #1145 on: April 12, 2009, 12:54:22 PM »

I just googled the pond area.  Definitely an irrigation pond in my opinion.  It's smack in the middle of agricultural land away from the dairy, and there's no signs of "runoff" or places where runoff could run into the ponds (such like a dry stream, a pipe, etc) that I can see.  The google satellite map shows the area pretty good. And if you pan back, you'll see many other farms with similar irrigation areas.
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« Reply #1146 on: April 12, 2009, 12:56:14 PM »

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This is making me wonder if there is Munchausen's (sp) by Proxy, and MH possibly decided to carry it out on another child??????  That is, if it is not connected to child porn.
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That is a very good point, particularly with her own daughter sick a lot. It does make sense, and should certainly be looked into by the authorities. 
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    Yes, combine that the child is sickly, thin, and not allowed to go anywhere with other children really sent up red flags to me.  Proxy parents are looking for the attention that it brings to them.  She is going to have more than her fill of attention now.  I hope they get her daughter appropriate mental and physical help ASAP.
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« Reply #1147 on: April 12, 2009, 12:57:19 PM »

I really don't understand why there is such an issue with the possibility of a woman moving a 50 lbs. suitcase and putting it in a pond.  I am only 5'1" and of small stature.  I've moved around/carried/dragged suitcases and trunks (no wheels even)  that were at least 50 lbs. all over the world.  In and out of rental cars, up and down stairs when there was no elevator/escalator, through parking lots and yes, even over  rough terrain.  And I wasn't scared and trying to rid myself of a dead child's body, which would possibly be made easier by being alarmed or afraid (desperate) and an adrenaline factor kicking in.   That said, I think there was personally more involvement besides Melissa Huckaby in this case.  Melissa may have had help putting the suitcase in the water or someone else may have put it in the water or even she AND another person(s) could have put it into the water.  I don't know.  I'm just saying I believe it's possible she could have put it there herself.   I just went in and asked my hubby if he thought I would be able to move a 50 lb. suitcase out of a car, move it across a field and dump it in a pond and he said "of course".   I move around 50 lb. bags of mulch, fertilizer, dog food and etc.  Just sayin'...
Me too, I'm the same size of you, and sometimes I amaze myself at what I all lift and drag around. I'm stubborn and prefer to do things myself. I have no problem thinking Melissa could handle that suitcase. And it also had wheels, and you are right about the adrenaline factor kicking in. I have been thinking quite a bit about Rob's post about a jealousy factor, and now I have a couple scenarios in my head where this could be the case. I'm just glad I don't have small kids anymore, because it is hard enough explaining bad people to them, but even though I'm well aware of evil women, this one would certainly be a tough one to try and explain. It would be horrible enough to lose a child to a murderer, but my God, Sandra was best friends with Melissa's daughter, how Sandra's family must feel about this, I can't even begin to imagine.
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« Reply #1148 on: April 12, 2009, 01:01:44 PM »

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This is making me wonder if there is Munchausen's (sp) by Proxy, and MH possibly decided to carry it out on another child??????  That is, if it is not connected to child porn.

That is a very good point, particularly with her own daughter sick a lot. It does make sense, and should certainly be looked into by the authorities. 
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    Yes, combine that the child is sickly, thin, and not allowed to go anywhere with other children really sent up red flags to me.  Proxy parents are looking for the attention that it brings to them.  She is going to have more than her fill of attention now.  I hope they get her daughter appropriate mental and physical help ASAP.
[/quote]Me too, but what bothers me is why didn't Melissa's grandparents that she lives with, do something about their sickly great granddaughter?
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This is making me wonder if there is Munchausen's (sp) by Proxy, and MH possibly decided to carry it out on another child??????  That is, if it is not connected to child porn.

That is a very good point, particularly with her own daughter sick a lot. It does make sense, and should certainly be looked into by the authorities. 

    Yes, combine that the child is sickly, thin, and not allowed to go anywhere with other children really sent up red flags to me.  Proxy parents are looking for the attention that it brings to them.  She is going to have more than her fill of attention now.  I hope they get her daughter appropriate mental and physical help ASAP.
[/quote]Me too, but what bothers me is why didn't Melissa's grandparents that she lives with, do something about their sickly great granddaughter?
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From what I have read/heard about this, it often stumps doctors.  The child appears sickly and no one reason can be pinned down.
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« Reply #1150 on: April 12, 2009, 01:08:17 PM »

Police say Sandra was killed in the church     http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml
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« Reply #1151 on: April 12, 2009, 01:12:00 PM »

Now I wonder how Sandra got to the church, surely with the cameras at the mobile park, LE must have seen Melissa leave the park, but where was Sandra? Maybe on the floor of the passenger side, or was she already in the suitcase, perhaps drugged but still alive?
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« Reply #1152 on: April 12, 2009, 01:32:03 PM »

Police say Sandra was killed in the church     http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml

Police: Cantu Was Murdered In Church
 
(CBS/AP)  CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

Melissa Huckaby, 28, was arrested early Saturday morning and charged with kidnapping and murder.

Huckaby’s grandfather is pastor of the Clover Road Baptist Church, near the mobile home park where Sandra Cantu’s family lives. Police searched the church Friday in the hours before Huckaby was arrested, filling a van with evidence bags.

Police and residents in Tracy responded with shock when the suspect in the murder of a young girl turned out to be a woman, the mother of the slain girl's best friend.

Melissa Huckaby was on suicide watch Saturday at the San Joaquin County Jail, where she is held on suspicion of kidnapping and killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. The girl's body was found in one of Huckaby's suitcases in an irrigation pond nearly a week ago, police said.

"This was an anomaly in the murder of a child," police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said at a news conference Saturday. "Finding out that it is a woman who is responsible for Sandra's kidnapping and murder, and then finding out it is a member of the community is another blow."

FBI statistics show women are involved in just 7 percent of murders of any sort. Solo killings of children by women are even more unusual.

"A review of data from the 2007 Uniform Crime Report confirms that the arrest of Melissa Huckaby in the Sandra Cantu murder investigation is uncommon," said FBI spokesman Steve Dupre in Sacramento.

Sandra disappeared on March 27 and hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement officials turned out to search for her. Pictures of the girl with dark brown eyes and light brown hair were posted all over Tracy, a city of 78,000 people about 60 miles east of San Francisco. Police said they received 1,500 tips in the hunt for Sandra and her killer.

"It's very unusual for women to be involved in an abduction and murder of a child," said Candice DeLong, a retired FBI profiler based in San Francisco. "Sometimes we see this when the woman is working with a male partner. It does not appear to be the case this time. But this was not a sexually motivated crime."

Huckaby attended the second of the several vigils for the slain girl, Sheneman said.

On April 6, farmworkers draining an irrigation pond found the suitcase.

Sheneman said investigators have no motive for the slaying, which drew national attention. Police declined to say where or how the girl was allegedly killed. Inconsistencies in Huckaby's story led to her arrest, Sheneman said.

There are no other suspects and no other arrests are expected, he said.

Huckaby is a granddaughter of Pastor Clifford Lawless, and taught Sunday school at the Clover Road Baptist Church. She lived with Lawless in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park that also was Sandra's home.

I wouldn't have anything bad to say about her, until now.

Matt Duncan, of former employee Melissa HuckabyHuckaby's uncle, John Hughes Jr. of Whittier, said his niece was from a good home, but had hit a rough patch in her life and moved in with her grandparents in Tracy to get past her troubles.

"They opened their home up to her to try to get her life back on track. I think a lot of families have problems like that," Hughes said.

Huckaby was scheduled to appear in court on April 17 to check in with a county mental health program as part of a three-year probation sentence for a petty theft charge to which she pleaded no contest.

She was arrested about five hours after she drove herself to the local police station at the request of officers. She is being held without bail for an arraignment Tuesday.

"She was calm, cool and collected, then she became very emotional," Sheneman said.

The slain girl's family was as puzzled as police.

"Why?" wondered her uncle, Joe Chavez, shaking his head. He said Huckaby should face the death penalty if convicted.

It was not immediately clear if Huckaby had hired an attorney.

Police said autopsy results are not yet available, and they declined to say whether investigators believe the slaying was accidental or deliberate.

She had worked as a checker at a Food for Less grocery store in a strip mall just east of the mobile park for nearly four years, until she was fired sometime in 2004, said Matt Duncan, an assistant manager at the store now known as FoodMaxx.

"I wouldn't have anything bad to say about her, until now," said Duncan, who has worked at the store off-and-on for about 10 years. "I would've never suspected her to do something like this."


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« Reply #1153 on: April 12, 2009, 01:33:35 PM »

Now I wonder how Sandra got to the church, surely with the cameras at the mobile park, LE must have seen Melissa leave the park, but where was Sandra? Maybe on the floor of the passenger side, or was she already in the suitcase, perhaps drugged but still alive?

As far as I know the only cameras in the park were ones that maybe homeowners had.  Like the one that Sandra's family put it, that was the one we saw her skipping.  I don't think the MHP has alot of cameras otherwise.

I bet she could have gotten in the car with Melissa and not be seen on camera.
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« Reply #1154 on: April 12, 2009, 01:57:50 PM »

I think Melissa was lying about the razor blade/internal bleeding story. It's said she was taken to the hospital the night Sandra was found (remember 2 ambulances in the MHP)

I think she knew she'd be caught and tried to OD and was placed on a 72 hour psych hold.


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« Reply #1155 on: April 12, 2009, 01:59:36 PM »

Now I wonder how Sandra got to the church, surely with the cameras at the mobile park, LE must have seen Melissa leave the park, but where was Sandra? Maybe on the floor of the passenger side, or was she already in the suitcase, perhaps drugged but still alive?

As far as I know the only cameras in the park were ones that maybe homeowners had.  Like the one that Sandra's family put it, that was the one we saw her skipping.  I don't think the MHP has alot of cameras otherwise.

I bet she could have gotten in the car with Melissa and not be seen on camera.
For some reason I thought there was a camera at the enterance/exit, but either way Sandra probably went with her thinking she was going to be helping Melissa.
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« Reply #1156 on: April 12, 2009, 02:02:21 PM »

Now I wonder how Sandra got to the church, surely with the cameras at the mobile park, LE must have seen Melissa leave the park, but where was Sandra? Maybe on the floor of the passenger side, or was she already in the suitcase, perhaps drugged but still alive?

As far as I know the only cameras in the park were ones that maybe homeowners had.  Like the one that Sandra's family put it, that was the one we saw her skipping.  I don't think the MHP has alot of cameras otherwise.

I bet she could have gotten in the car with Melissa and not be seen on camera.
For some reason I thought there was a camera at the enterance/exit, but either way Sandra probably went with her thinking she was going to be helping Melissa.

There were cameras at the motel accross the street from the park that might show what cars were coming and going but I don't think they would be clear enough to show the driver or passengers
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« Reply #1157 on: April 12, 2009, 02:06:20 PM »

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« Reply #1158 on: April 12, 2009, 02:14:54 PM »

I think Melissa was lying about the razor blade/internal bleeding story. It's said she was taken to the hospital the night Sandra was found (remember 2 ambulances in the MHP)

I think she knew she'd be caught and tried to OD and was placed on a 72 hour psych hold.


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Two questions then:  1. Who called the ambulance?   2. Wouldn't an overdose 5 doors down from a murder victim alert the cops to check  a bit further on this person?  Is this why the cops were supposedly posted outside her room at the hospital???
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« Reply #1159 on: April 12, 2009, 02:29:48 PM »

Happy Easter everyone, I hope your day is a beautiful one!

First off, I have no idea if it is irrigation pond or a run off from the dairy farm. Can it be both? No idea about farming. I have heard people who do meth labs choose a place close to one to make meth because it can cover the smell. Again, no idea.

It has been discussed about a possible motive involving jealousy. I have a back round with disabled children, it sounds as though the little girl of Melissa may have something going on. It is perfectly normal for a parent of a child with a disability or a sickness to ask, why? Why my child? Now a normal thinking parent may not take it any farther then that, but a person with a mental disorder may take it to the level of resentment. Sandra has been described by many as being an outgoing little girl who loved to talk with people, who was healthy and fun loving. From the sounds of MH daughter, she is sickly and needs to stay inside for whatever reason. It is stated allergies but who really knows, there has been many mis-truths. So my point is, if MH dd was ill or had some kind of disability MH who is mentally unstable may have grown resentful of Sanda's lack of disability. Or since it is being assumed she killed her at the church, may have been some kind of sacrifice in an attempt o heal her daughter.

Just a theory, doesn't mean I am her or anything, lol.
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