Sandra Cantu #2 4/09/09 - 4/15/09

[Wyks]

I don't know what to think anymore. 

At first we have LE questioning certain folks, searching homes and dragging away cars and other things from those homes. 

Then Sandra's body is found. 

The focus shifts when this woman seemingly comes out of nowhere saying some outlandish things.  Outlandish when one takes a step back and looks at the whole of what she said.  Her stories didn't make sense, they didn't match up.  It really seems as tho she was saying/doing everything possible to make LE arrest her.  All she needed was a sign on her forehead that says I did it.  The note was close. 

I have to ask......... wtf? 

One thing I do know for sure, the focus (at least the public's eye) seems to be off those who were originally questioned, homes searched, things taken by LE. 

And... was that the intent all along? 

Is there one or more hiding behind Melissa, hoping beyond hope that LE will not dig into this further and/or will no longer be looking in their direction? 

   

Recent articles quote LE saying she was a "POI" from the beginning.

From the beginning of what tho.  I don't remember them questioning her as a POI when Sandra first went missing, altho they sure could have been.  Seems to me that Melissa became a POI around the time she started talking about her bag was 'stolen' and LE took her SUV in.     

Various media might be giving diff info too, cuz I've read where LE said when they realized her stories told to them and others (incl the media) was "inconsistent", that's when they pulled her in for further questioning, then arrested her. 

Not so sure LE had their eye on her before Sandra's body was found.  Do you remember something I've missed? 

[Deenie]

I have a question ..
Which of the Lawless Children is Melissa's Parent ?

[Wyks]

Just a sidenote from one who knows....

A good majority of times, when "a ring" is discovered, (that being a sex ring, a cult, etc), what also is discovered is Intergenerational abuse. MEANING: The abuse passed from father to son or daughter, parent to child, sibling to sibling etc.... and it continues into the next generation and so on.  Very often using others outside the family as well, as victims.  

Not saying this has happened in Sandra's case, that she was caught up by this type of ring and abusers etc. 

Yes I watched the video of Melissa's family.  And yes, they do look and act as any other family in this situation would look and act.   I also know from experience that a family in this situation would, at all costs, appear to be 'normal' in every way. 

And then there's the possibility that Melissa has found herself in amongst a different family or ring of people doing this exact thing. 

Just saying.. am kicked back and watching this whole thing unfold.  And I won't be at all surprised if we later hear that all the above or part of it is the actual case.
 

I think you may be right. Do you feel that perhaps if Melissa herself has been the victim of abuse, could she from that have snapped? I'm at a loss here, thinking all kinds of things, and perhaps she is very mentally ill.

I don't know about "snapped" so much as being mentally conditioned to do and say exactly what her possible abusers want/need/tell her to do and say, in order to 'make it seem' that she's the one responsible, when perhaps she had no hand in it at all.  Course she may have participated, dunno.  If abused, very definitely in need of therapy.  I just wish that LE would look beyond her just to be sure that there are no others hiding in the shadows, hoping she will take the fall for them.  If she participated as well, IMO they should all go down for it, not just her.  I want justice for Sandra, as we all do.  Just want to be sure they have the right person, who wasn't coerced, and that they have all who was responsible.  Otherwise, this will likely repeat at some time, somewhere.
 
   

[klaasend]

I have a question ..
Which of the Lawless Children is Melissa's Parent ?

I want to say Brian is the name?  Could be wrong but I think that's it.  Yeah, Brian Huckaby.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6757059

(snipped)

On Sunday, family members were in disbelief over allegations that she killed her own daughter's playmate and then stuffed her body in a suitcase.

"Do you think she's capable of what the police accuse her of doing?

No," said Melissa Huckaby's father Brian Huckaby
Huckaby said the single mother has suffered from depression, but that she is an excellent mother who loves children.
 
"She was always very gentle. And very kind and compassionate to children and senior citizens," said Huckaby

(snipped)

[Wyks]

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Thanks Leroy!  

"planned trip", eh??  Interesting timing.....  

[klaasend]

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Relatives of Melissa Huckaby, including her grandfather, Clifford Lane Lawless, in green shirt, walk into the San Joaquin County Jail Saturday. AP Photo/The Sacramento Bee, Anne Chadwick Williams

An Easter like none other
3 hrs 17 mins ago

The Associated Press

The families of a slain 8-year-old girl and the woman suspected of killing her struggled to cope Easter Sunday as the shaken father of the suspect described his daughter as a loving mother who cared deeply about children.

The family of the suspect — 28-year-old Sunday school teacher Melissa Huckaby — held Easter services today at the church just down the road from the mobile home park where Sandra Cantu was last seen.

Huckaby remained in custody today at the San Joaquin County Jail. She was being held without bail on suspicion of murder and kidnapping.

Huckaby's father, 48-year-old Brian Lawless of Cypress, said he did not believe his daughter was capable of what police accuse her of doing.

"I just can't comprehend. There are no words," he told reporters outside Clover Road Baptist Church.

Cantu's body was found stuffed in a suitcase in an irrigation pond this past Monday. Police and federal agents scoured the church and its grounds for clues after the discovery.

Lawless said Huckaby lived for her 5-year-old daughter, Madison.

"She just always had an extra patience with her," Lawless said. "Never raised her voice. Never yelled. Never struck her. She was that same way with other children. She loved other children."

He said Madison played often with Sandra, who lived down the street from where Huckaby lived with her grandfather, Clifford Lawless, the church's pastor.

Sandra's uncle, Joe Chavez, said the arrest of his sister's neighbor had allowed some of his rage toward Huckaby's family to surface.

"I want to go over there and beat the crap out of those people, but I'm not going to do that," he said as he stood at the entrance to the mobile home park where the little girl lived with her mother. "I just want to vent my anger, but it's not in me."

Police and community members are still coming to grips today with Huckaby's arrest.

"I was in shock that, number one, it was a woman and, number two, a member of our community," Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

About 400 parishioners, including members of the Cantu family, packed into the cafeteria of a local high school to hear Journey Christian Church Pastor Scott McFarland's Easter sermon.

Journey was one of more than a dozen local churches that mobilized its members today to pray and fast for the Cantu family. McFarland sent a special message to the Cantu family that, like Christ, Sandra's spirit had risen to heaven.

"Jesus is out of the tomb, and Sandra is too," McFarland said after the sermon. "She's not in a grave; she's not in a suitcase. She's in heaven and celebrating the best Easter ever."

Sandra disappeared on March 27 and hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement officials turned out to search for the girl with dark brown eyes and light brown hair. Police said they received 1,500 tips in the hunt for Sandra and her killer.

Huckaby had attended the second of the several vigils for the slain girl, Sheneman said.

On April 6, farmworkers draining an irrigation pond found the suitcase. Police said autopsy results are not yet available, and they declined to say whether investigators believe the slaying was accidental or deliberate.

Sheneman said investigators have no motive for the slaying. Police declined to say where or how the girl was allegedly killed, though investigators said they believed she died very soon after she was last seen.

Inconsistencies in Huckaby's story led to her arrest, Sheneman said. She was arrested about five hours after she drove herself to the local police station at the request of officers.

She was being held without bail for an arraignment Tuesday.

Huckaby's uncle, John Hughes Jr. of Whittier, told The Associated Press his niece was from a good home but had hit a rough patch in her life and had moved in with her grandparents in Tracy to get past her troubles.

"They opened their home up to her to try to get her life back on track," Hughes said. "I think a lot of families have problems like that."

Huckaby grew up in Orange County and was a "pretty normal kid," he said. As the eldest of nine grandchildren, she played "mother hen" to the younger children when the family got together for the holidays.

After graduating from high school, Huckaby's path appears to have become rockier. She married, had a daughter and was divorced in a few short years. She had difficulty finding and keeping a job, partly owing to the challenges of single motherhood, Hughes said.

"She's had her struggles," he said. "But there's no way (her grandparents) or anybody would be fearful that anything this horrifying could possibly come from that."

Huckaby is scheduled to appear in court this Friday to check in with a county mental health program as part of a three-year probation sentence for a petty theft charge to which she pleaded no contest.

It was not immediately clear if Huckaby had hired an attorney to speak for her.

Huckaby had worked for four years as a checker at a Food for Less grocery store on Tracy Boulevard just east of the mobile park, until she was fired sometime in 2004, said Matt Duncan, an assistant manager at the store now known as FoodMaxx.

"I wouldn't have anything bad to say about her, until now," said Duncan, who has worked at the store off-and-on for about 10 years. "I would've never suspected her to do something like this."

[Wyks]

I don't think we will have to wait very long to hear at least the DA's theory as to the motive.  This case is developing at a very fast but cautious pace.

And I think regardless of the motives prescribed to MH, we will be most interested to learn the fate of those with the child pornography on their computers in any event.  At least I know I will.  Those children are victims as well and can live literally next door to any of us without our even knowing. 

There must be follow up on that in any event.

I guess I am just curious here... the only cases I have followed are out of FL with the "Sunshine Laws" ( God love um), do you think we will hear the full story on this? I am unfamiliar with Cali Law.

Am not sure that we'll ever hear the full story.  If this goes to trial, we will likely hear more come out thru that process.  Sure wish the Sunshine Law was in every state. 

We heard a lot in the Laci and Scott Peterson case (California) as time went on, a bit more during trial, but it really wasn't until after trial that we heard more of the details, as family members and some of the folks involved as witnesses felt freer to talk about it.  Book written, etc. 

[leslee]

I just have to say I feel awful hearing such talk about religion on this miraculous day. I have family in cult, have had family in cults ( although no one really knows what goes on in the deeper parts of those cults, I shudder to think abuse of any kind). It's not what religion you are or aren't, we are human... we all fall short. It's not what your pastor/priest/minister says about God/Religion, it's your relationship with God that matters in the end.... you die alone. There have been falls from several highly "religous" people "the bigger you are, the harder you fall". True Christian churches encourage you to read your Bible, have a personal relationship with God. "Cultic" churches rely on reading other material for your faith or listening to only what the preacher/priest/minister says. We are saved by faith not by acts. FWIW the Bible mentions more severe punishment for those who lead children astray. It's people like MH who give all religions a bad name and I will step away from the pulpit now thank you for reading.

[Anna]

I don't think we will have to wait very long to hear at least the DA's theory as to the motive.  This case is developing at a very fast but cautious pace.

And I think regardless of the motives prescribed to MH, we will be most interested to learn the fate of those with the child pornography on their computers in any event.  At least I know I will.  Those children are victims as well and can live literally next door to any of us without our even knowing. 

There must be follow up on that in any event.

I guess I am just curious here... the only cases I have followed are out of FL with the "Sunshine Laws" ( God love um), do you think we will hear the full story on this? I am unfamiliar with Cali Law.

I don't think we will see nearly as much pre-trial as in Florida but we will be told the theory upon which the prosecution plans to build their case.  They seem to be performing admirably and doing a really thorough job, leaving nothing to chance.

We don't want them to release any information that could be used in an appeal especially if they go for the death penalty.    Appeals are automatic in most states if there is death penalty but don't want the defense to have anything on which to base an actual case.

There are female sociopaths for sure and more of those all the time, too, it seems.  But unless a motive involves either sex or money, I can't think of one for killing somebody else's child.  Killing ones own has become much more common but why kill the child of another person?  I have a hard time associating a female with thrill kill so I tend to look elsewhere.

But we are shocked over and over at the behavior of our fellow human beings!  The trial in Italy with Amanda Knox also comes to mind but there was the sexual aspect of that one at least to explain it somewhat.

But, yes, I think there will be a theory as to motive but we won't get all the discovery as is the case in Florida.  I think Florida has the most open court system in the country.

[no rose colored glasses]

Deenie, very interesting what you posted. Interesting myspace also 

Incredibly disturbing No Rose. These young women that I worked with. kneew each other via the Elders ..they did not attend the same church. From what I was told the Elders had certain " ceremonies" that were put together .. so to say .. that they " these young ladies recalled" and .. that's how they talked amongst themselves. Do you remember when ? and so on. 
3 of the 4 that defected from this religion - my gf was thankfully stable enough to go on with her life and create a life for herself. The other 2 are so lost and have been through Hell and back with Men that have abused them, mentally, physically and are heavy into drugs and alcohol and really have no destination in life. They learned a trade skill that they both are talented in .. but their lives as a whole .. Not cool. Like I said I could tell you stories ..that would curl your hair.. offered up by each and every one them. EXcept the One who stayed in the Church. She preaches its as beautiful as Sunsets and its all Peachy .. and Life is Grand .. she though never forced her beliefs on anyone.  She is a sweet girl. Very Smart Girl as well. She is the youngest though of the 4.


 

I have never met anyone in that religion and know nothing really about it. You hear such horrible things like with Warren Jeffs and his religion. I grew up in a small town you were either Catholic or Luthern. Is it brainwashing that make people stay in this kind of situation and religion? I'm wondering if her grandpa's church since it has a handful of people who go there if it is some type of cult.

[leslee]

I don't think we will have to wait very long to hear at least the DA's theory as to the motive.  This case is developing at a very fast but cautious pace.

And I think regardless of the motives prescribed to MH, we will be most interested to learn the fate of those with the child pornography on their computers in any event.  At least I know I will.  Those children are victims as well and can live literally next door to any of us without our even knowing. 

There must be follow up on that in any event.

I guess I am just curious here... the only cases I have followed are out of FL with the "Sunshine Laws" ( God love um), do you think we will hear the full story on this? I am unfamiliar with Cali Law.

Am not sure that we'll ever hear the full story.  If this goes to trial, we will likely hear more come out thru that process.  Sure wish the Sunshine Law was in every state. 

We heard a lot in the Laci and Scott Peterson case (California) as time went on, a bit more during trial, but it really wasn't until after trial that we heard more of the details, as family members and some of the folks involved as witnesses felt freer to talk about it.  Book written, etc. 

Ahh thank you for that info!

[Tracygirl]

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Relatives of Melissa Huckaby, including her grandfather, Clifford Lane Lawless, in green shirt, walk into the San Joaquin County Jail Saturday. AP Photo/The Sacramento Bee, Anne Chadwick Williams

An Easter like none other
3 hrs 17 mins ago

The Associated Press

The families of a slain 8-year-old girl and the woman suspected of killing her struggled to cope Easter Sunday as the shaken father of the suspect described his daughter as a loving mother who cared deeply about children.

The family of the suspect — 28-year-old Sunday school teacher Melissa Huckaby — held Easter services today at the church just down the road from the mobile home park where Sandra Cantu was last seen.

Huckaby remained in custody today at the San Joaquin County Jail. She was being held without bail on suspicion of murder and kidnapping.

Huckaby's father, 48-year-old Brian Lawless of Cypress, said he did not believe his daughter was capable of what police accuse her of doing.

"I just can't comprehend. There are no words," he told reporters outside Clover Road Baptist Church.

Cantu's body was found stuffed in a suitcase in an irrigation pond this past Monday. Police and federal agents scoured the church and its grounds for clues after the discovery.

Lawless said Huckaby lived for her 5-year-old daughter, Madison.

"She just always had an extra patience with her," Lawless said. "Never raised her voice. Never yelled. Never struck her. She was that same way with other children. She loved other children."

He said Madison played often with Sandra, who lived down the street from where Huckaby lived with her grandfather, Clifford Lawless, the church's pastor.

Sandra's uncle, Joe Chavez, said the arrest of his sister's neighbor had allowed some of his rage toward Huckaby's family to surface.

"I want to go over there and beat the crap out of those people, but I'm not going to do that," he said as he stood at the entrance to the mobile home park where the little girl lived with her mother. "I just want to vent my anger, but it's not in me."

Police and community members are still coming to grips today with Huckaby's arrest.

"I was in shock that, number one, it was a woman and, number two, a member of our community," Tracy police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

About 400 parishioners, including members of the Cantu family, packed into the cafeteria of a local high school to hear Journey Christian Church Pastor Scott McFarland's Easter sermon.

Journey was one of more than a dozen local churches that mobilized its members today to pray and fast for the Cantu family. McFarland sent a special message to the Cantu family that, like Christ, Sandra's spirit had risen to heaven.

"Jesus is out of the tomb, and Sandra is too," McFarland said after the sermon. "She's not in a grave; she's not in a suitcase. She's in heaven and celebrating the best Easter ever."

Sandra disappeared on March 27 and hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement officials turned out to search for the girl with dark brown eyes and light brown hair. Police said they received 1,500 tips in the hunt for Sandra and her killer.

Huckaby had attended the second of the several vigils for the slain girl, Sheneman said.

On April 6, farmworkers draining an irrigation pond found the suitcase. Police said autopsy results are not yet available, and they declined to say whether investigators believe the slaying was accidental or deliberate.

Sheneman said investigators have no motive for the slaying. Police declined to say where or how the girl was allegedly killed, though investigators said they believed she died very soon after she was last seen.

Inconsistencies in Huckaby's story led to her arrest, Sheneman said. She was arrested about five hours after she drove herself to the local police station at the request of officers.

She was being held without bail for an arraignment Tuesday.

Huckaby's uncle, John Hughes Jr. of Whittier, told The Associated Press his niece was from a good home but had hit a rough patch in her life and had moved in with her grandparents in Tracy to get past her troubles.

"They opened their home up to her to try to get her life back on track," Hughes said. "I think a lot of families have problems like that."

Huckaby grew up in Orange County and was a "pretty normal kid," he said. As the eldest of nine grandchildren, she played "mother hen" to the younger children when the family got together for the holidays.

After graduating from high school, Huckaby's path appears to have become rockier. She married, had a daughter and was divorced in a few short years. She had difficulty finding and keeping a job, partly owing to the challenges of single motherhood, Hughes said.

"She's had her struggles," he said. "But there's no way (her grandparents) or anybody would be fearful that anything this horrifying could possibly come from that."

Huckaby is scheduled to appear in court this Friday to check in with a county mental health program as part of a three-year probation sentence for a petty theft charge to which she pleaded no contest.

It was not immediately clear if Huckaby had hired an attorney to speak for her.

Huckaby had worked for four years as a checker at a Food for Less grocery store on Tracy Boulevard just east of the mobile park, until she was fired sometime in 2004, said Matt Duncan, an assistant manager at the store now known as FoodMaxx.

"I wouldn't have anything bad to say about her, until now," said Duncan, who has worked at the store off-and-on for about 10 years. "I would've never suspected her to do something like this."

Glad to read the Chavez family went to Journey church. I know Scott he is a wonderful and caring man. He will help to bring some healing to this family. I am comforted by reading this.

I wonder if MH was suffering from adult onset schizophrenia. Seems by all accounts she was a normal person at one point, even liking to be around children. But you know if she was doing Meth, it honestly just destroys you. I suppose like everyone else I am trying to make sense out of all of this so I can somehow understand why would this woman kill this little girl?

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Wyks for answering my question. 

[Kat_Gram]

Snipped from above and I think the only truly honest thing said.
Sandra's uncle:
"I want to go over there and beat the crap out of those people, but I'm not going to do that," he said as he stood at the entrance to the mobile home park where the little girl lived with her mother. "I just want to vent my anger, but it's not in me."
vs
What Melissa's family says. Do you believe the family ? Oh Melissa was so wonderful as a mother. bs I say. Some demons didn't just get hold of her at 6:55 ( or whatever time ) on that Friday. Something was brewing for a while, they knew it.   

[Wyks]

Deenie, very interesting what you posted. Interesting myspace also 

Incredibly disturbing No Rose. These young women that I worked with. kneew each other via the Elders ..they did not attend the same church. From what I was told the Elders had certain " ceremonies" that were put together .. so to say .. that they " these young ladies recalled" and .. that's how they talked amongst themselves. Do you remember when ? and so on. 
3 of the 4 that defected from this religion - my gf was thankfully stable enough to go on with her life and create a life for herself. The other 2 are so lost and have been through Hell and back with Men that have abused them, mentally, physically and are heavy into drugs and alcohol and really have no destination in life. They learned a trade skill that they both are talented in .. but their lives as a whole .. Not cool. Like I said I could tell you stories ..that would curl your hair.. offered up by each and every one them. EXcept the One who stayed in the Church. She preaches its as beautiful as Sunsets and its all Peachy .. and Life is Grand .. she though never forced her beliefs on anyone.  She is a sweet girl. Very Smart Girl as well. She is the youngest though of the 4.
 

Yes.  And I just want to point out that this 'behavior and activities' is not typical of the Baptist Church affiliation itself. 

Would like to see, when referring to churches like the one described above to put it like this "church", not even spelled with a capitol C.  Cuz it's not really a true Church, in every sense of the word.  It's a group of people posing behind a Church name/title. 

It's stuff like this that gives truly good Churches everywhere a real bad name.  Am quite sure that the Baptist denomination, as well as Churches in the same affiliation as this one, and Churches across the USA in general are groaning at this situation.  It really ought not to reflect on them... yet it typically does.  And that makes all of them victims right along with Sandra and others like her as well as those who didn't physically die but survived.  IMO
 

[Anna]

Tracygirl,

Like you, I continue to look at every aspect I can think of and yours and mine were the same on this.  Adult onset of some physhosis?  Some drug addiction that produces violent episodes?  What in the world came over her?

[Anna]

Brain tumor?

OK, with that I will stop my useless speculation.  We will know when we are told.

[AZSunny]

I don't know what to think anymore. 

At first we have LE questioning certain folks, searching homes and dragging away cars and other things from those homes. 

Then Sandra's body is found. 

The focus shifts when this woman seemingly comes out of nowhere saying some outlandish things.  Outlandish when one takes a step back and looks at the whole of what she said.  Her stories didn't make sense, they didn't match up.  It really seems as tho she was saying/doing everything possible to make LE arrest her.  All she needed was a sign on her forehead that says I did it.  The note was close. 

I have to ask......... wtf? 

One thing I do know for sure, the focus (at least the public's eye) seems to be off those who were originally questioned, homes searched, things taken by LE. 

And... was that the intent all along? 

Is there one or more hiding behind Melissa, hoping beyond hope that LE will not dig into this further and/or will no longer be looking in their direction? 

   

Recent articles quote LE saying she was a "POI" from the beginning.

From the beginning of what tho.  I don't remember them questioning her as a POI when Sandra first went missing, altho they sure could have been.  Seems to me that Melissa became a POI around the time she started talking about her bag was 'stolen' and LE took her SUV in.     

Various media might be giving diff info too, cuz I've read where LE said when they realized her stories told to them and others (incl the media) was "inconsistent", that's when they pulled her in for further questioning, then arrested her. 

Not so sure LE had their eye on her before Sandra's body was found.  Do you remember something I've missed? 

I think they took her car in while she was in the hospital, possibly before.  She didn't start talking until Thursday afternoon when she was released from the hosptial.  I think they took all the cars from the Lawless residence. 

[Deenie]

I was thinking about this all of this ..and it brought back to me ..when my Daughter was in Kindergarten. I found an Apartment. Brand new. Which is unheard of. I was the first resident in my apt. The Apt were regulated though. You have to be of a certain income and not above a certain income. It was a Beautiful Apartment. Not anything to do with welfare or Section 8. But it was regulated - by income. Via the lease holder.

So My Apt faced the back which was beautiful woods and such. The front everyone parked and had marked parking spaces per your apt. The front apartments balcony's and or patios faced the parking lot. I believe the rent was $10.00 cheaper for facing the parking lot ...
I had never lived in a place so amazing in my life, had all brand new everything, even a full size washer and dryer in its own laundry room. Two big bedrooms and 2 huge bathrooms. I was in my Glory. This was my 3rd apartment with my Daughter.
I worked full time and had my Daughter in latch key prior to school and after school. I had to drive quite a distance to get from her School to work and then back to school..then back to home. My apt was just Gorgeous. My Daughter was happy, she had a classmate that lived downstairs. They adored each other. Her parents were great people.
I had one problem and Only One issue with living in my Apt. I had a Little Girl that would come to my Door...every time she saw my Car ..pull in. She lived in the Front apartment of my Building with her Mom, Just the two of them. She was 3 1/2, yet had the vocabulary of a 30 yr old.
I was trying to build my career as a Buyer in a major company from scratch, I myself being a single Mom raising my Daughter alone. We lived in a Remote area so  - just for Groceries it was a trek through traffic.. Lets just say that I was Tired .. I was a Tired Woman. 

Every time I turned around I had this Little Girl banging on my Door. She did not want to play with my Daughter ..she only wanted My Attention. She didn't ever ask for my Daughter Why? I don't know.

I lived upstairs and she would climb the stairs and Bang on my Door - every day of the week. She would ask me if she could come in my house. She would ask me for Food she was not Hungry ..she just wanted in. She would ask me for my Attention. I went and rapped on her Mother's Door and I said Hey .. I want you to know your Daughter keeps coming to my Apt and I think you need to know. I am not letting her in .. I just thought you should know that its not SAFE for a child her age to do such things.
MOM .. 19, says to me .. WELL I guess my Child is a Problem ..totally took it the wrong way. She then I swear would send her Daughter to my Apt on purpose.
7 am Saturday morning that little one would be kicking my Door .. OMG.
What happened - I moved. Why because I could not take it any more.
There were so many times that ... I would just become lit up like no other ..that this Child would not leave me alone.

It was infuriating beyond words. That I was being patrolled by this little girl and her Mother did nothing. Nothing at all. I never yell. I am not easily angered by anyone. But this little girl drove me NUTZ.

That was my experience. I have a huge tolerance level for Children. I can take it. I worked in a Daycare for 5 yrs prior to having my Daughter. I know what Kids are capable of. They can push buttons this is for sure.
Maybe within all of this - Melissa had little or no tolerance  ?? And was and is not Stable ..
Just thought of my past when reading all of this .. and knowing via news that Sandra did look for attention of others within the mhp.
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I know that there is so many thoughts flying around - I just thought I would add my own experience.

[Wyks]

Leslee and NoRose, you're welcome!