Sandra Cantu #2 4/09/09 - 4/15/09

[JessStar]

Okay, I just emailed that article to Nancy Grace and begged them to air it, or at least to keep that issue in the foreground.  It needs to be a priority and the media has the power to keep it that way.

I may have a link to a video of a newscast--stay tuned. . .

[N2WISHN]

you know i kinda has this thought in the back of my mind..i did not say it out loud, i guess i was just scared to...i am sitting at my desk..i am just crying like a baby..i am not scared to say it..i am so pissed..wtf is wrong with people????  there is no excuse no reason..and noone can tell me that she is mental and that she can't help her self..because there is no way...imo...someone should just give  that bi*ch a   dose of her own medicine...

OMG, I am so sick in my stomach right now. I am so f*in mad.  I didn't want to believe this but, I suppose in the back of my mind, I suspected it was going to come out.  I can't believe this.  I have to get away from this case--it's killing me inside.  That beautiful little child.  Next thing we're going to hear is that the COD was not drug related and was violent.  That will do it for me. . .

If it were not drug related then it makes it premediated.

I keep going back to the statement LE made about not finding the murder weapon yet. I'm thinking the COD is not being over drugged as I had hoped for..........

Don't lose hope on that yet.  He didn't say "murder weapon."  He said the "instrumentality that caused the death," which could be a pill, a syringe--etc.

I can only hope for a "soft" death for little Sandra, but if she was raped or molested with an object, well I doubt it.............

[Idgie]

Wow. I know I'm new here but you guys are killing me.

I feel sorry for Sandra's parent...most definitely, but I also have pity for MH's parents and grandparents. You can assume they knew anything about it..and someone earlier called them vermin. I mean, come on...there for the grace of god go I. You can't have complete control over your relatives. If my cousin does something messed up, it's hardly my fault.

I used to be an investigator for a very popular online service (back in the dialup days) and I can tell you it's mostly relatives of the children that are the predators when it comes to actually producing child pornography. Most of it that was traded was either old (70's) or the same pictures over and over again. They'd jump em from a server in the bahamas. It was slick and I can tell you once you've seen it..you never forget it. I remember every picture I saw in sickening detail. It was something not for the faint of heart. I enjoyed getting the perps though. Made me happy.

I'm not saying everyone was not involved but calling these old people who haven't been charged with any crime vermin gives me the heeby jeebies.

I haven't YET gone so far as to call them vermin, but the act of conducting Easter Services at the very church we've been told was the location of Sandra's murder was nothing short of sacrilegious. At the very least, they should have considered how Sandra's family would feel about that. It's like having a party at the murder scene! That act does not put them in a good light in my eyes. And yes, if more comes out about any of her family being complicit in any way then I will have nothing but contempt for them and vermin would be a mild label to apply to that kind of evil.

I was not aware we knew where the murder took place even according to this article the place has not been verified by LE.

"Himmelblau wouldn't provide additional details on any evidence leading prosecutors to consider the sexual assault allegations. Police have not released any details on how, where or why Sandra was killed."

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape%20may%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&hash=comments_2310960&page_label=home&id=2310960&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&#comments_2310960

This is just one of many posts regarding police believing Sandra was murdered at the church

Police: Sandra Cantu Murdered Inside Church

http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.2.983230.html

That was a great link. Did you also see the mug shot gallery? I am new to crime forums in a way only followed a couple of cases and all those crimes and mug shots is certainly eye openers especially the two High School teachers.

[Tracygirl]

Please excuse me if I am going too far with FW but I can not get him out of my head (I know poor me)...any who I went web surfing and found this info from another site re: a business he and Anita are involved with:

Williams, Anita
Job title: President
Company: Stephen L Williams
17159 Los Padres Dr
Tracy, CA 95304-9755
I looked it up on Zillow to try and find out what it is and where it is located this is the info on Zillow "Residence:     Single family     
Bedrooms:    4    
Bathrooms: 3.0    
Sq ft:    3,352    
Lot size:    91,040 sq ft / 2.09 acres
Estimated worth $713,500

Anyone know anything about any of this? True false? What type of business this is etc.?

Strange?? It is a home.  Maybe a home based business for someone. Is she a real estate agent maybe? There is no listing in the phone books that I can find.

[k9ohana]

No idea Tracygirl, I didnt find her under any for sale listings attached to homes or anything like that.

[k9ohana]

I looked up Tracy Real estate agents and came up empty for Anita Williams.

[N2WISHN]

Wow. I know I'm new here but you guys are killing me.

I feel sorry for Sandra's parent...most definitely, but I also have pity for MH's parents and grandparents. You can assume they knew anything about it..and someone earlier called them vermin. I mean, come on...there for the grace of god go I. You can't have complete control over your relatives. If my cousin does something messed up, it's hardly my fault.

I used to be an investigator for a very popular online service (back in the dialup days) and I can tell you it's mostly relatives of the children that are the predators when it comes to actually producing child pornography. Most of it that was traded was either old (70's) or the same pictures over and over again. They'd jump em from a server in the bahamas. It was slick and I can tell you once you've seen it..you never forget it. I remember every picture I saw in sickening detail. It was something not for the faint of heart. I enjoyed getting the perps though. Made me happy.

I'm not saying everyone was not involved but calling these old people who haven't been charged with any crime vermin gives me the heeby jeebies.

I haven't YET gone so far as to call them vermin, but the act of conducting Easter Services at the very church we've been told was the location of Sandra's murder was nothing short of sacrilegious. At the very least, they should have considered how Sandra's family would feel about that. It's like having a party at the murder scene! That act does not put them in a good light in my eyes. And yes, if more comes out about any of her family being complicit in any way then I will have nothing but contempt for them and vermin would be a mild label to apply to that kind of evil.

I was not aware we knew where the murder took place even according to this article the place has not been verified by LE.

"Himmelblau wouldn't provide additional details on any evidence leading prosecutors to consider the sexual assault allegations. Police have not released any details on how, where or why Sandra was killed."

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape%20may%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&hash=comments_2310960&page_label=home&id=2310960&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&#comments_2310960

This is just one of many posts regarding police believing Sandra was murdered at the church

Police: Sandra Cantu Murdered Inside Church

http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.2.983230.html

That was a great link. Did you also see the mug shot gallery? I am new to crime forums in a way only followed a couple of cases and all those crimes and mug shots is certainly eye openers especially the two High School teachers.

I did look at those mug shots. Scary evil looking freaks........

[JessStar]

you know i kinda has this thought in the back of my mind..i did not say it out loud, i guess i was just scared to...i am sitting at my desk..i am just crying like a baby..i am not scared to say it..i am so pissed..wtf is wrong with people????  there is no excuse no reason..and noone can tell me that she is mental and that she can't help her self..because there is no way...imo...someone should just give  that bi*ch a   dose of her own medicine...

OMG, I am so sick in my stomach right now. I am so f*in mad.  I didn't want to believe this but, I suppose in the back of my mind, I suspected it was going to come out.  I can't believe this.  I have to get away from this case--it's killing me inside.  That beautiful little child.  Next thing we're going to hear is that the COD was not drug related and was violent.  That will do it for me. . .

If it were not drug related then it makes it premediated.

I keep going back to the statement LE made about not finding the murder weapon yet. I'm thinking the COD is not being over drugged as I had hoped for..........

Don't lose hope on that yet.  He didn't say "murder weapon."  He said the "instrumentality that caused the death," which could be a pill, a syringe--etc.

I can only hope for a "soft" death for little Sandra, but if she was raped or molested with an object, well I doubt it.............

Well, I wouldn't say that yet either.  My guess (and it's just a guess) based on what I've read on this site and others, is that she was more likely than not drugged so she wouldn't remember anything.  She administered too much.   JMHO

[N2WISHN]

you know i kinda has this thought in the back of my mind..i did not say it out loud, i guess i was just scared to...i am sitting at my desk..i am just crying like a baby..i am not scared to say it..i am so pissed..wtf is wrong with people????  there is no excuse no reason..and noone can tell me that she is mental and that she can't help her self..because there is no way...imo...someone should just give  that bi*ch a   dose of her own medicine...

OMG, I am so sick in my stomach right now. I am so f*in mad.  I didn't want to believe this but, I suppose in the back of my mind, I suspected it was going to come out.  I can't believe this.  I have to get away from this case--it's killing me inside.  That beautiful little child.  Next thing we're going to hear is that the COD was not drug related and was violent.  That will do it for me. . .

If it were not drug related then it makes it premediated.

I keep going back to the statement LE made about not finding the murder weapon yet. I'm thinking the COD is not being over drugged as I had hoped for..........

Don't lose hope on that yet.  He didn't say "murder weapon."  He said the "instrumentality that caused the death," which could be a pill, a syringe--etc.

I can only hope for a "soft" death for little Sandra, but if she was raped or molested with an object, well I doubt it.............

Well, I wouldn't say that yet either.  My guess (and it's just a guess) based on what I've read on this site and others, is that she was more likely than not drugged so she wouldn't remember anything.  She administered too much.   JMHO

Since it's a just a guess at this point and since nobody has been able to tell me how it feels to die, I'm going to guess that it doesn't feel good.

[Deenie]

Please excuse me if I am going too far with FW but I can not get him out of my head (I know poor me)...any who I went web surfing and found this info from another site re: a business he and Anita are involved with:

Williams, Anita
Job title: President
Company: Stephen L Williams
17159 Los Padres Dr
Tracy, CA 95304-9755
I looked it up on Zillow to try and find out what it is and where it is located this is the info on Zillow "Residence:     Single family     
Bedrooms:    4    
Bathrooms: 3.0    
Sq ft:    3,352    
Lot size:    91,040 sq ft / 2.09 acres
Estimated worth $713,500

Anyone know anything about any of this? True false? What type of business this is etc.?

Strange?? It is a home.  Maybe a home based business for someone. Is she a real estate agent maybe? There is no listing in the phone books that I can find.

TG
Found a satellite photo of the address - Name on property Anita Williams
Its a Biggie alright

http://www.zabasearch.com/maps/index.php?sname1=ANITA%20WILLIAMS&sname=ANITA%20E%20WILLIAMS&first=ANITA&last=WILLIAMS&middle=E&state=CA&address=17159%20LOS%20PADRES%20DR&city=TRACY&zipcode=95304&&cm=11&cy=2003&phone=&int_var=3

[Izzy58]

Nancy Grace talking about the case now on HLN

[N2WISHN]

Nancy Grace talking about the case now on HLN

Now Larry King Live is talking about the case

[sleddogs]

Corporation
STEPHEN L. WILLIAMS, INC.
Number: C1502902    Date Filed: 5/27/1988    Status: suspended
Jurisdiction: California
Address
17159 LOS PADRES DR
TRACY, CA 95304
Agent for Service of Process
STEPHEN L WILLIAMS
17159 LOS PADRES DR
TRACY, CA 95304

http://www.sos.ca.gov/business/corp/corp_irc.htm#geninfo

[akmom]

I am just so sick at these latest developments in this case.  WTF is wrong with this world?
If the church was the place of the murder it is indeed crazy that services were held.  Every church that I have ever heard that had some horrible act committed there was either destroyed or re-blessed before it was ever used again. 

[peanut]

women on death row in the us. by state and offenses. i still have to sift thru them to find which killed and abused children all on their own with no known accomplices.



http://www.sonic.net/~msnyder/femvio/death_row.htm

[Izzy58]

One of the reporters on cbs13 mentioned a rumored connection between MH and C Sinclair. I only caught part of the newscast but he did say that there are no other planned arrests.

[JessStar]

you know i kinda has this thought in the back of my mind..i did not say it out loud, i guess i was just scared to...i am sitting at my desk..i am just crying like a baby..i am not scared to say it..i am so pissed..wtf is wrong with people????  there is no excuse no reason..and noone can tell me that she is mental and that she can't help her self..because there is no way...imo...someone should just give  that bi*ch a   dose of her own medicine...

OMG, I am so sick in my stomach right now. I am so f*in mad.  I didn't want to believe this but, I suppose in the back of my mind, I suspected it was going to come out.  I can't believe this.  I have to get away from this case--it's killing me inside.  That beautiful little child.  Next thing we're going to hear is that the COD was not drug related and was violent.  That will do it for me. . .

If it were not drug related then it makes it premediated.

I keep going back to the statement LE made about not finding the murder weapon yet. I'm thinking the COD is not being over drugged as I had hoped for..........

Don't lose hope on that yet.  He didn't say "murder weapon."  He said the "instrumentality that caused the death," which could be a pill, a syringe--etc.

I can only hope for a "soft" death for little Sandra, but if she was raped or molested with an object, well I doubt it.............

Well, I wouldn't say that yet either.  My guess (and it's just a guess) based on what I've read on this site and others, is that she was more likely than not drugged so she wouldn't remember anything.  She administered too much.   JMHO

Since it's a just a guess at this point and since nobody has been able to tell me how it feels to die, I'm going to guess that it doesn't feel good.

I hope you weren't offended by what I said.  I by no means intended to diminish this.  I can only hope that Sandra didn't suffer.  That's my last little thread that I'd like to be able to hold onto.   

Just so there's no ambiguity, let me tell you how this case has affected me so you can better understand the context of my comment.

This case has really struck a chord with me as it surely has with everyone.   I've heard of these cases before--you see them on the news and such--but this one's different for me.  In other cases, I never joined and spent countless hours on a site like this theorizing, hypothesizing, debating, praying, crying, and then being disappointed because perhaps my naivete or sensitivity refused to permit me to accept or even think about the worst.  It's hard for me to fathom that ANYONE would intentionally kill a child, let alone kill them during the commission of an illicit act, which looks like may be the case here.  GOOD GOD, WHY?  When your last glimmer of hope is that the child didn't suffer, didn't know what was happening, and died quietly in her sleep, then you're hanging onto the last, and thinnest, emotional thread.  It doesn't diminish the depravity of the crime, or lessen its emotional or societal impact.  I pray that, like Jessica Lundsford, little Sandra did not die in vain.

I think this case became personal to me because when I see Sandra on the surveillance tape and the short snippets of the home movies at Christmas, the still photos of her birthday, the way she was so carefree in the way she swung her arms around, etc., I see my daughter.  She acts like my daughter acted when she was 7 going on 8 (my daughter is now 11).  She looks like my daughter looked when my daughter was 8 (although my daughter was bigger).  The long hair, the pretty smile, the funny personality and the energy. . . . yes that energy.  Always wanting to run, play hide and seek, tag. That's hard after 12-13 hours of work, but I never said no.  Always shadowing me when I was trying to fix something, but I never shunned her away.  I always made her, and still make her, a very big part of my life.

You know, my daughter and I were horseplaying on the couch a few nights ago playing silly little kid games like "try to catch my hand."  She'd waive her hand around quickly and I'd try to catch it, missing it every time.  We were laughing hysterically.  It eventually made me emotional as I began thinking about whether Sandra liked to play those games.  Then we ate pepperoni pizza.  What kid doesn't like that, right?  So again, I got emotional thinking about whether Sandra liked pepperoni pizza.  Of course, there's the Easter Bunny.  Anyone else on the list celebrate Easter with the Easter Bunny?  I bet yes.  Did anyone else have to run upstairs to their bedroom, shut the door, and cry for a few minutes?  I did.  Oh, and yes, my daughter still believes in the Easter Bunny (although I really don't think her belief is genuine . . .)

So, does dying feel good?  I don't know.  But I'd like to think that dying in your sleep as I suspect (or perhaps hope) that Sandra did was less painful, or not painful at all, as perhaps any conceivable alternative because, when I look at her face, I see my daughter.

I'm sorry.

[AZSunny]

Please excuse me if I am going too far with FW but I can not get him out of my head (I know poor me)...any who I went web surfing and found this info from another site re: a business he and Anita are involved with:

Williams, Anita
Job title: President
Company: Stephen L Williams
17159 Los Padres Dr
Tracy, CA 95304-9755
I looked it up on Zillow to try and find out what it is and where it is located this is the info on Zillow "Residence:     Single family     
Bedrooms:    4    
Bathrooms: 3.0    
Sq ft:    3,352    
Lot size:    91,040 sq ft / 2.09 acres
Estimated worth $713,500

Anyone know anything about any of this? True false? What type of business this is etc.?

Strange?? It is a home.  Maybe a home based business for someone. Is she a real estate agent maybe? There is no listing in the phone books that I can find.

Can someone that is good with Google earth do a screen capture of that home?    I am very curious after all we have read.  He was never investigated, nor his home searched. 

[no rose colored glasses]

What I am going to post I found on another forum, I was hoping Tracygirl could comment if she heard this by any of the locals. The church has a basement, and there are three girls that were molested by Melissa, two of the girls, it was never reported until now. Have you heard this, this person seems reliable and believes what is being said. I of course have no idea if this is truth or lies, but is interesting.

[peanut]

women on death row in the us. by state and offenses. i still have to sift thru them to find which killed and abused children all on their own with no known accomplices.



http://www.sonic.net/~msnyder/femvio/death_row.htm

none of the ones that pertain to sexual assault and murder acted alone, always with 'boyfriend'.