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« Reply #300 on: April 10, 2009, 08:40:43 PM »

I think I am mixing stories, but could someone confirm for me, that at one of the early press conferences they said they had uncovered a child porn ring in Tracy?  In the process of the investigation is what I thought they said.  Does anyone remember this? 

In I believe January or February it was reported a man in Tracy was arrested on possessing child porn, downloading it and sharing it. The article stated the police are watching more then 60 people in the area for also being involved in watching, downloading and sharing it. Police has not told us who the 60 are and the man arrested is the only one so far.

OK,  thanks so much.
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« Reply #301 on: April 10, 2009, 08:41:13 PM »

Me thinks she is covering her arse because she is a suspect.....

Me too, and Wyks, that was a great post, and you broke down the statements with your comments, things I didn't even think about, thanks.
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« Reply #302 on: April 10, 2009, 08:46:01 PM »

A special thank you for each of your heartfelt replies to my earlier post.   

 
Your welcome Wyks, Tracygirl asked a question that you might no the answer to, is this unusual for a woman to commit such a crime? I'm thinking not, at least participate in part with drugging and molesting of a child, even perhaps for making a movie. I'm not saying this Melissa is guilty of this, just saying I don't think this would be unheard of .

Not unusual at all, in this kind of thing, for women to be involved as well as men.  Not saying Melissa or anyone else is involved either, just saying a woman involved in some way is not unheard of.  In fact, is often the case in a porn ring or a cult type thing that involves children.  Because having one or more women in the midst can give a child (at first) the sense of things being safe, being able at first to more easily trust the adults who may be trying to lure the child in.  Often the one doing that luring is a woman, then the men take over. 

And these movies.. yeah.  Sometimes in a porn ring, for example, the adults may involve the child in actions that ermmmm shall we say, are for the purposes of posing the child/ren only.  Some actually include ermmmm more than posing.  With the child/ren being warned - threatened - told in some way DO NOT TELL or else..... (which *could be* why we see on that video of Sandra skipping along, then slowing down and looking kind of nervous, as she touches her hair, kind of glancing over at the home she was passing.... who knows?  but my hinky meter went up at that.... and this is the way a child who has been warned DO NOT TELL *would* act, fwiw)....

Some of these type of movies take it to the limit tho.  With involving the child/ren in more than posing.. to the point of actual death.  Those are called "snuff films".  And they actually record the actions - abuse - more - actual death, on film.  Those would, of course, go for the highest price on the beyond sicko perv market.   

Still not saying that Melissa or any of these players are involved.

Just ermmmm wouldn't surprise me. 

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Thanks for that info, and it would not surprise me either.
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« Reply #303 on: April 10, 2009, 08:48:38 PM »

I think I am mixing stories, but could someone confirm for me, that at one of the early press conferences they said they had uncovered a child porn ring in Tracy?  In the process of the investigation is what I thought they said.  Does anyone remember this? 
I'm mixed up on this, I don't know if this info came before Sandra's disappearance or during, the so called Tracy 60.
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« Reply #304 on: April 10, 2009, 08:52:27 PM »

And even more amazing that a Baptist church was not open on Palm Sunday.
Very, and since the congregation is so small, I wonder how many kids attend this church?
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« Reply #305 on: April 10, 2009, 08:57:11 PM »

I think I am mixing stories, but could someone confirm for me, that at one of the early press conferences they said they had uncovered a child porn ring in Tracy?  In the process of the investigation is what I thought they said.  Does anyone remember this? 
I'm mixed up on this, I don't know if this info came before Sandra's disappearance or during, the so called Tracy 60.

I thought it came afterward and was uncovered during the search for her.  I know the one guy whose wife runs a daycare was arrested before Sandra went missing, but I thought the 60 people mentioned were discovered after she disappeared.
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« Reply #306 on: April 10, 2009, 08:57:12 PM »

And even more amazing that a Baptist church was not open on Palm Sunday.

There are Baptist churches and ... then there are Baptist churches and ... then there are Baptist churches.

However ... you are right spring2.  I cannot think of any functioning Christian church that recognizes Sunday as the Sabath that would not have its doors open for worship.

When all the connections in regards to that church and the piece of luggage that held Sandra Cantu's remains ... my hinky meter indicator has reached "high".

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« Reply #307 on: April 10, 2009, 08:59:49 PM »


I did .. I thank you for responding and letting us know.
It appears that the authorities are part of the problem.. There attempt to block media from reporting for our best interests is unconstitutional and implies other things that appear sinister.

My research into this shows it to be world wide organization and People that are Rich and Powerful are involved.. Also I have found this in religions such as Santeria, practiced in South America and in Mexico with the Drug Lords too, so criminals are involved.
 They appear to control the mainstream media and even the police departments investigation units inside the United States of America.. Scary 

What you wrote is amazing.. Thank You.

You're welcome, and thank you as well.  What you've written here too, is exactly correct.  And yes, it is scary.

They "appear" to control the mainstream media and the police departments, as well as our courts, our doctors, you name it, anywhere, because they infiltrate those and other areas with their own people.  I'm not some crazy conspiracy person.  This stuff IS true, for those who want to look hard and dig deep enough. 

I will add that one reason it is SOOOOOOO hard to bring this whole thing down *is* because of those higher-ups involved in every level of this stuff.   They control each and every aspect of this stuff.  (As an example, in how the huge drug cartel is ultimately in control of street druggies/dealers everywhere).

Besides the higher-ups who control everything, the majority of people involved with this sort of thing, have regular jobs, (ie the media, police depts, courts, doctors, nurses, gas station attendants, computer techs, gardners, babysitters, little league coaches, teachers, sunday school teachers, daycare workers, warehouse workers, bus and cab drivers, plumbers, social workers, therapists, etc etc etc).  They live in regular homes, on average streets, among average people of the world.  They live in mansions and among the homeless as well.  Meaning you and me, and the next door neighbors, all over the world.   They are where we are, living among us.  And you and I would be the first ones shocked out of our senses to learn the truth.   One good reason to really try and get to know your neighbors, friends, coworkers.  One never knows what another one does, in the privacy of their homes.  egad. 

After *good folks* become aware of the scope of all this, the problem becomes what to do what to do!!!!, to stop these folks in their activities, at every level, and how to actually do it.  When who one is fighting against are right there in the highest levels.  Go to the police?  Ermmm.. How do we know *which* are involved and are which aren't?  Go to the FBI/CIA?  Ermmm..  Go to our pastors/preachers/priests/rabbi/clergy?  Ermmm... Go to the media?  Ermmm... They've been told to put a freakin lid on it by the police!  Round and round we go.    
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« Reply #308 on: April 10, 2009, 09:01:25 PM »

And even more amazing that a Baptist church was not open on Palm Sunday.
Very, and since the congregation is so small, I wonder how many kids attend this church?

Has anyone confirmed in any way that this church is even legit?  Is it just a building? 

I'm really starting to worry about what might have been going on in the church, in the "Sunday School" classroom, etc.
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« Reply #309 on: April 10, 2009, 09:02:39 PM »

And even more amazing that a Baptist church was not open on Palm Sunday.
Very, and since the congregation is so small, I wonder how many kids attend this church?

Has anyone confirmed in any way that this church is even legit?  Is it just a building? 

I'm really starting to worry about what might have been going on in the church, in the "Sunday School" classroom, etc.

My thoughts exactly.

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« Reply #310 on: April 10, 2009, 09:07:57 PM »

I think I am mixing stories, but could someone confirm for me, that at one of the early press conferences they said they had uncovered a child porn ring in Tracy?  In the process of the investigation is what I thought they said.  Does anyone remember this? 
I'm mixed up on this, I don't know if this info came before Sandra's disappearance or during, the so called Tracy 60.

I thought it came afterward and was uncovered during the search for her.  I know the one guy whose wife runs a daycare was arrested before Sandra went missing, but I thought the 60 people mentioned were discovered after she disappeared.

Well,  I did too!  hum....
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« Reply #311 on: April 10, 2009, 09:11:27 PM »

I might need to hide after making this statement but, I have a gut feeling that is very strong, a female is the

person responsible for Sandra's murder.
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« Reply #312 on: April 10, 2009, 09:13:06 PM »

My husband just said the news had some special report (they broke into the middle of the newscast) that something big was going on right now in Tracy.  He said a helicopter was circling above a farmhouse in which someone was holed up.

My husband has been wrong before, though if he's only heard half of something.  I'm going to check it out.  I'm not banking on his assessment being accurate yet, lol.
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« Reply #313 on: April 10, 2009, 09:13:28 PM »

A special thank you for each of your heartfelt replies to my earlier post.   

 

I read your post but was at a loss for words. I am sorry you opened up like that and I neglected to respond to you. You are a strong person and I am so very sorry for what happened to you. No one has the right to tell you not to tell your story! It is an outrage.
(((((((hugs)))))))))

Thank you Tracygirl, it's ok and I understand the feeling of being at a loss for words.  Sometimes there just aren't any, and hugs fit the bill.  I know I'm not the only one (even reading/posting in here) who has experienced such and more, lived to tell what we can say of it.  Many of us are drawn to these cases, even if we cannot talk of our own stuff, in order to help another child and their families in some way, whatever way possible.  Many of us feel that altho we may not have gotten the help we needed, in a sense we'd like to see other children receive that help.  We'd like to see justice brought for the victim and families.  For the perps to get what they deserve!  And in some strange way, the whole process can bring a sense of justice to ourselves as well. 

We in SM are involved in that process together, and I thank you and the other monkeys for walking this road. 

 
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« Reply #314 on: April 10, 2009, 09:13:55 PM »

I might need to hide after making this statement but, I have a gut feeling that is very strong, a female is the

person responsible for Sandra's murder.

I've got the same feeling.  I've got a cult or ring feeling, too.
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« Reply #315 on: April 10, 2009, 09:14:08 PM »

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57640&catid=2

Tracy Church Searched Again in Sandra Investigation
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TRACY, CA - Law enforcement served a second search warrant Friday on Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy in the investigation into the death of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

The church property, including a shed, was raided earlier in the week. The church pastor, Lane Lawless, lives in nearby Orchard Estates mobile home park where Sandra lived and was last seen alive on security tape March 27. Her body was recovered Monday from a suitcase in a holding pond two miles from the mobile home park. Autopsy results have not been released.

Earlier Friday afternoon, Tracy police responded to a local newspaper report that the granddaughter of Lawless, Melissa Huckaby, said she had a suitcase disappear the same day Sandra vanished. The woman didn't report the possible theft to police and Sgt. Tony Sheneman also said was no report of a stolen suitcase filed.

Sheneman also said the homicide investigation could mean more search warrants served on individuals, locations and vehicles but would not elaborate further.

Police have conducted dozens of interviews, including the residents of Orchard Estates. At least 15 search warrants have been served, at least six of them on residences in the mobile home park. Several vehicles were impounded.

"No one's been eliminated," Sheneman said.

Approximately 1,500 tips have come in to investigators, 400 of them since the girl's body was found.

"I would say we're making good progress," Sheneman said.

Condolences, Memorial Service

Fry Memorial Chapel on S. Central Avenue in Tracy is open for the community to write their messages to Sandra's family in a condolence book. The chapel is open Saturday and Sunday, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.

The public memorial service for the victim is scheduled for Thursday, April 16 at West High School n Tracy on the 1700 block of West Lowell Avenue. Police said as of Friday there was seating for about 3,000 mourners but there were plans to try to open the stadium to the service. If that is possible, Sheneman said there would be room for as many as 8,000 to attend.

He also said there were only about 500 parking spaces around West High so he urged mourners to arrive early to find parking and be prepared to walk a distance.

Reward

The Tracy Crime Stoppers reward fund has grown to $32,000. Sheneman said anyone who still wishes to make a contribution might consider designating it for the Cantu family for expenses.

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« Reply #316 on: April 10, 2009, 09:14:45 PM »

My husband just said the news had some special report (they broke into the middle of the newscast) that something big was going on right now in Tracy.  He said a helicopter was circling above a farmhouse in which someone was holed up.

My husband has been wrong before, though if he's only heard half of something.  I'm going to check it out.  I'm not banking on his assessment being accurate yet, lol.

 
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« Reply #317 on: April 10, 2009, 09:15:57 PM »

Came out of lurking to point out this article from FOX40:
http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Church-Teacher-Says-Suitcase-Stolen-The-=1&blockID=263590&feedID=2674

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Huckaby also says she has spent some time on the farm near the irrigation ditch where Sandra Cantu's body was discovered in suitcase that closely resembles the one she reports missing.

IMO, she just digs herself in deeper, with every word she says. 
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« Reply #318 on: April 10, 2009, 09:17:51 PM »

I might need to hide after making this statement but, I have a gut feeling that is very strong, a female is the

person responsible for Sandra's murder.
You may be right, is Melissa married, and what I'm finding odd is she spent several days in ICU for internal bleeding, but is not commenting any further on this. Could someone have been kicking or punching Melissa, hence the internal bleeding?
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« Reply #319 on: April 10, 2009, 09:19:56 PM »

It may have been mentioned, but there is a possibility that the autopsy results were not released because they expect drugging.  In the past, if the cause of death were broken neck, etc. A preliminary autopsy is released.  Not so in this case.  Maybe COD was not that black and white.  Perhaps she was drugged and died as a result -

Thanks Kimmy.  That's makes sense.  Perhaps whatever happened started out to be one thing, things got out of hand, and Sandra died.  The rest of what we are seeing may be the scramble to cover-up. 
 
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