Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[cece]

Oh, no!  The gag order.

My thoughts, exactly!
 

[cece]

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Re: the highlighted red section above: Could they not have learned this prior to putting Sandra's family through the stress of possible exhumation?

I agree.  I can't remember or find the name of the public defender handeling this case.  Does anyone remember?

[Anna]

When I first heard they were not going forward with the request for exhumation, I thought that might mean there was a plea bargain in the works and an admission of guilt, etc.

But from the article, I guess it is only because the samples are available and were taken according to protocol. 

[Deenie]

How many within the Court System are going to Change Hands before .. a plea is entered


http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Judge-Issues-Gag-Order-In-Sandra-Cantu-M=1&blockID=272069&feedID=2674
The new gag order will make information-gathering harder by the media, since witnesses, investigators and other people involved in the investigation and the case won't be allowed to speak with reporters.  At Melissa Huckaby's preliminary hearing, Huckaby's defense attorney asked the judge for a gag order due to the high profile nature of the murder case, which has been covered by local and national media for week.
Yesterday, Judge Terrence Van Oss officially stepped away from the murder case with no explanation

[Nut44x4]

How many years do we wait for this to go to Trial ... Gag Orders suck, lol.

[Deenie]

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April 14, 2009
Sunday school teacher charged with murder
California woman is also accused of raping 8-year-old Sandra Cantu

During Tuesday's hearing, which lasted only several minutes, public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg asked Judge Richard A. Vlavianos for a gag order in the case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

...................
Started with Judge Vlavianos - then to Judge T. Van Oss and Now its flipped to
 Judge Linda Lofthus.

[Tracygirl]

I spoke of a case here that I have first have knowledge of where a paid babysitter returned the kiddo ( 1.5 yrs ) with what looked like an adult bite mark on the arm.
When asked, babysitter said : I know nothing about it.
CFS was called. They called the police. report made, pictures taken. Pictures submitted to CFS doctor who said adult bite mark.
Charges ( assault ) laid.
Everything goes to the Crown.
Babysitter hires lawyer.
Legal wrangling goes on behind the scenes, before court.
Charges dropped, weak case. The only witness who could speak was three.
But before all this happens, the babysitter was placed on the child abuse registry. She is no longer running her little daycare out of her house.
...........
The police in Tracy acted as if they were the DA and circumvented all the SOP that would usually take place. Why ? They viewed the Sunday School teacher vs a mother who had problems and made a decision as to the credibility of each, plus they had no way to know how the drugs got into the system of the seven year old. If MH gave her a pill, a seven year old would say so. If it was pulverized and given in a sweet drink, she wouldn't know.

From Blink's article, it appears as if Connie Lawless was aware that there was some problem that day.   

>>>The police in Tracy acted as if they were the DA and circumvented all the SOP that would usually take place.<<<<

Yes they did and that is not their job. They do this all of the time and have tried to do this to my family if you want to know the truth. A person close to my family physically abused my disabled son. The police had a difficult time believing this because the person carried himself as a person who would never do such a thing, yea right!....I filed charges, I insisted although I was told the DA would never take it on, I threw a fit and the DA took the case. The person was charged and placed on probation for a year. Got his hand slapped but he will never touch my son again.

[cece]

I spoke of a case here that I have first have knowledge of where a paid babysitter returned the kiddo ( 1.5 yrs ) with what looked like an adult bite mark on the arm.
When asked, babysitter said : I know nothing about it.
CFS was called. They called the police. report made, pictures taken. Pictures submitted to CFS doctor who said adult bite mark.
Charges ( assault ) laid.
Everything goes to the Crown.
Babysitter hires lawyer.
Legal wrangling goes on behind the scenes, before court.
Charges dropped, weak case. The only witness who could speak was three.
But before all this happens, the babysitter was placed on the child abuse registry. She is no longer running her little daycare out of her house.
...........
The police in Tracy acted as if they were the DA and circumvented all the SOP that would usually take place. Why ? They viewed the Sunday School teacher vs a mother who had problems and made a decision as to the credibility of each, plus they had no way to know how the drugs got into the system of the seven year old. If MH gave her a pill, a seven year old would say so. If it was pulverized and given in a sweet drink, she wouldn't know.

From Blink's article, it appears as if Connie Lawless was aware that there was some problem that day.   

>>>The police in Tracy acted as if they were the DA and circumvented all the SOP that would usually take place.<<<<

Yes they did and that is not their job. They do this all of the time and have tried to do this to my family if you want to know the truth. A person close to my family physically abused my disabled son. The police had a difficult time believing this because the person carried himself as a person who would never do such a thing, yea right!....I filed charges, I insisted although I was told the DA would never take it on, I threw a fit and the DA took the case. The person was charged and placed on probation for a year. Got his hand slapped but he will never touch my son again.

Tracygirl, I'm so sorry about your personal experience, but glad you got a positive outcome.

[cece]

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April 14, 2009
Sunday school teacher charged with murder
California woman is also accused of raping 8-year-old Sandra Cantu

During Tuesday's hearing, which lasted only several minutes, public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg asked Judge Richard A. Vlavianos for a gag order in the case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

...................
Started with Judge Vlavianos - then to Judge T. Van Oss and Now its flipped to
 Judge Linda Lofthus.

And isn't there another public defender now?  (Sorry, I'm trying to keep up).

[Deenie]

TracyGirl - I am proud of you that you did not take the brush off ..of You can't possibly make a case and Yet you did ... You Go Woman !! My Gawd have you been thru alot and I am sure that Sandra being in your city is creating triggers for you to relive over and over again with what you just disclosed.

What is the community saying ..Not the Media's portrayal of your Community ..but Your opinion .. what is the buzz ..?
Has to be that Parents are up in arms .. I would think. With all the new allegations of yet another child being drugged and LE not acting upon the complaint ... or at least following up on it .. ( that is my own speculation, I only know what I read) ... sigh.
Is there other statements ongoing that are kept local ?

[k9ohana]

How many within the Court System are going to Change Hands before .. a plea is entered


http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Judge-Issues-Gag-Order-In-Sandra-Cantu-M=1&blockID=272069&feedID=2674
The new gag order will make information-gathering harder by the media, since witnesses, investigators and other people involved in the investigation and the case won't be allowed to speak with reporters.  At Melissa Huckaby's preliminary hearing, Huckaby's defense attorney asked the judge for a gag order due to the high profile nature of the murder case, which has been covered by local and national media for week.
Yesterday, Judge Terrence Van Oss officially stepped away from the murder case with no explanation

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.....Judge Terrence Van Oss, the judge who was scheduled to hear an arraignment for Huckaby on April 24, could have a conflict of interest because he was the witness for the prosecution in a capital murder case in which Tom Testa, a San Joaquin County deputy district attorney, was the prosecutor.

[k9ohana]

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April 14, 2009
Sunday school teacher charged with murder
California woman is also accused of raping 8-year-old Sandra Cantu

During Tuesday's hearing, which lasted only several minutes, public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg asked Judge Richard A. Vlavianos for a gag order in the case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

...................
Started with Judge Vlavianos - then to Judge T. Van Oss and Now its flipped to
 Judge Linda Lofthus.

And isn't there another public defender now?  (Sorry, I'm trying to keep up).

Yes, Her defense attorney is now Sam Behar

[Deenie]

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April 14, 2009
Sunday school teacher charged with murder
California woman is also accused of raping 8-year-old Sandra Cantu

During Tuesday's hearing, which lasted only several minutes, public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg asked Judge Richard A. Vlavianos for a gag order in the case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

...................
Started with Judge Vlavianos - then to Judge T. Van Oss and Now its flipped to
 Judge Linda Lofthus.

And isn't there another public defender now?  (Sorry, I'm trying to keep up).

Samuel Behar now represents MH

[k9ohana]

Huckaby Tied To SoCal Arson Case, Police Say
Woman Arrested In Homicide Of Sandra Cantu

POSTED: 3:56 pm PDT April 21, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- Police said Melissa Huckaby, the woman charged in the homicide of 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu, is a suspect in one or two house fires in Southern California, according to police. However, police said she would not be charged in that case.

KCRA 3 and a reporter from NBC 11 talked in San Jose with the La Palma police department in Orange County on Tuesday.


Melissa Huckaby, who is accused of killing Sandra Cantu, wept in a Stockton courtroom on Tuesday.

Huckaby had rented a room in a home in La Palma and arson was to blame for a minor fire and later a moderate fire in the same house.

Police confirm Huckaby is a suspect in at least one or possibly two fires that occurred in July 2007.

A week before Huckaby was arrested on suspicion of the murder of Cantu, La Palma police contacted the Tracy Police Department.

Police said Huckaby's current arrest takes priority over the fires, so the La Palma investigation will stop and she will not be charged in that case.

Huckaby, 28, was charged last week in Cantu's homicide. The girl's body was found in a suitcase pulled from an irrigation pond 10 days after she went missing.

Prosecutors added to the charge the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14 and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said Tuesday that Judge Linda Lofthus has ordered a gag order in the case.

"Parties and counsel" are directed not to "release information or opinions concerning this case or any issue likely involved in this case," according to the order.

[Catbert]

Going back to the versions of the story regarding the girl who was drugged - I recall MH saying early on that Grandma Hinky Connie called her saying the mother was looking for the child

I also am curious about if "park" = Church in MHs world - drugging would = no memory of what ever happened (pictures, porn)

[Tracygirl]

TracyGirl - I am proud of you that you did not take the brush off ..of You can't possibly make a case and Yet you did ... You Go Woman !! My Gawd have you been thru alot and I am sure that Sandra being in your city is creating triggers for you to relive over and over again with what you just disclosed.

What is the community saying ..Not the Media's portrayal of your Community ..but Your opinion .. what is the buzz ..?
Has to be that Parents are up in arms .. I would think. With all the new allegations of yet another child being drugged and LE not acting upon the complaint ... or at least following up on it .. ( that is my own speculation, I only know what I read) ... sigh.
Is there other statements ongoing that are kept local ?

Well thanks but I think the majority of parents would do the same for their child, especially one that doesnt communicate. Thank god this was not sexual abuse, i have a whole different type of punishment if anyone was to do that to any of my children!

You can read in the Tracy Press what this community is saying and how they are reacting. 1/2 think MH is innocent until proven guilty, the other 1/2 is besides themselves with anger at her and the Police. i think someone is organizing a rally of sorts at city hall this week.
In my neighborhood it amazes me how detached people can be. Honestly, some people feel this could not happen on this side of town.

[cece]

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April 14, 2009
Sunday school teacher charged with murder
California woman is also accused of raping 8-year-old Sandra Cantu

During Tuesday's hearing, which lasted only several minutes, public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg asked Judge Richard A. Vlavianos for a gag order in the case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

...................
Started with Judge Vlavianos - then to Judge T. Van Oss and Now its flipped to
 Judge Linda Lofthus.

And isn't there another public defender now?  (Sorry, I'm trying to keep up).

Yes, Her defense attorney is now Sam Behar

Thank you K9.  LOL.  I knew it started with a B, but couldn't remember or find it.   

[cece]

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April 14, 2009
Sunday school teacher charged with murder
California woman is also accused of raping 8-year-old Sandra Cantu

During Tuesday's hearing, which lasted only several minutes, public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg asked Judge Richard A. Vlavianos for a gag order in the case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

...................
Started with Judge Vlavianos - then to Judge T. Van Oss and Now its flipped to
 Judge Linda Lofthus.

And isn't there another public defender now?  (Sorry, I'm trying to keep up).

Samuel Behar now represents MH

Thank you Deenie 

[cece]

Good night all.  Thank you for the warm welcome & your patience.  I look forward to seeing you tomorrow.

[Deenie]

Going back to the versions of the story regarding the girl who was drugged - I recall MH saying early on that Grandma Hinky Connie called her saying the mother was looking for the child

I also am curious about if "park" = Church in MHs world - drugging would = no memory of what ever happened (pictures, porn)

Yep You called that one. Connie was contacted or the Grandparents were contacted called by the Distraught Family ....where the Hell is my Kid ?..and then they called MH ..ooh You better bring that child back .. ( where she/MH Was when they/Lawless called her .. I am sure that they knew ... this is another Ant circus ..)
Just another to add to the growing list of America's Most despicable  .. 

My thoughts in a Nutshell of MH & The Lawless
Keep Your Friends Close & Your Enemies Closer