Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[JessStar]

I wish we had a better "interim" message for those of you in this town right now. The best advice I can offer is (sorry if your direly ill of hearing me say this and your eyes are rolling back in your head) Run your SO registry list and set the email alerts. If you know someone there that you know does not do this or have access and they have kids, offer to run it for them.  If you live in a MHP community (like it or not they are a hotbed for so's for a variety of reasons) call your local PD and find out how to get their asisstance in setting up a neighborhood watch program.  See if there are any grants available to get security cameras etc.

As Jess and anyone on here with experience will tell you, these investigations (child porn) take time. The dragnet can be very far reaching. As I think I said earlier it takes a minimum of about 30 days to get certain warrants that would be needed. They are not that easy to get, the burden is pretty high to clandestinely cloak a person's computer or ISP, and in most cases a task force is formed and again that takes time. The good news is, the FBI is HIGHLY successful in these efforts, and if we are serious about a major crackdown on these freaks, this is the only way to protect our children in the long term.

What happened to Sandra, Melissa Huckaby and the explanation so far, is such an extreme rarity in criminal history. I have been "schooled" in the possibility of a lone female predator, but I do not believe she acted alone in the motives of her deeds to the first child, or to Sandra, and I believe she will talk. Much will be learned from the post arrest behavior of the peripherals in this case, including the Lawless family dynamic.

JMHO
Blink  

You're right, Blink.  Just to add my 2 cents, FWIW, the word of the day, week, month, needs to be "patience."  We all want this solved NOW!!  But it takes time to dot all the "I"s and cross all the "T"s.  But they will eventually be dotted and crossed, and JUSTICE will be served.  I agree that MH will talk.  In fact, I strongly believe she's talked already. Maybe not everything, but she's talked.  And while we're all upset to some extent about the gag order, it's a good thing in this case.

While we are all sitting around patiently awaiting JUSTICE, you must remain vigilant.  For those of you with children, watch them.  Please.  Don't take anything for granted.  It takes a mere second for the unthinkable to happen.  Never think "It can't happen to me."  I'm sure many parents of missing children have thought that in the past only to have been proven wrong.  If your child is walking across the street to a friend's house, watch out the front door until you see them enter the home.  Or better yet, walk with them.  Watch them as they walk to the school bus.  Or better yet, walk with them.  Talk to them.  Ask them questions.  Don't let the passage of time erode your resolve.  If you feel that happening, log onto this site and read Stacy's "hear no evil" post, or look at Deenie's recent reminder of why we are here.  Think about the commercial Martina McBride made a while back.  I haven't seen it for a while, but the commercial consisted solely of a camera shot of Martina's face as she carried on a "silly" after-school conversation with her little girl. The message of the commercial was to listen to your children--talk to them--know them.  Know where they are going.  Know who they will be with.  Check in on them.  Show interest in their lives.

Children have remarkable intuitions.  They know when bad things happen.  They learn modesty at a very young age.  But they can't always communicate well.  If your child sends you ANY signals whatsoever that appear to be out of the norm, follow up on them.  Don't be afraid of what the answer might be.  Remember, cancer doesn't heal itself.  To give you an "off the charts" example, I'm aware of a matter in the not so distant past where an 8 year old girl was being molested by her father.  On the outside, she was a typical 8 year old child.  You would have never guessed she was a victim.  You know what triggered her mother to inquire?  The little girl refused to wipe herself and, after some time, refused to change her underwear.  After finally getting the child to talk to her, she learned that this was her daughter's way of trying to solve the problem.

For those of you without children of your own, keep an eye out for others.  I know it's hard to intervene when you see something amiss.  But remember the Kitty Genovese case.  In that case, a young woman was violently attacked and killed outside an apartment complex in New York.  As many as 30 residents witnessed the crime being committed, yet no one called to report it.  The woman could have been saved.  Unfortunately, that happens a lot.  But if you see or hear something suspicious, alert someone.  You could save a child's life.

I know a lot of this is common sense, but it amazes me how often it's not followed.  I was on my way to work the other day and was running a little later than usual.  The road that leads to my office is a 2 lane, well traveled highway with businesses on one side and homes on the other.  As I was driving down the road, I looked to my left and saw a little girl, all of 7 years old, standing on the side of the highway waiting for her school bus.  No parent with her.  You couldn't see her home from the road.  I couldn't believe it.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Please send this to the Tracy Press, letters to the editor. Such wise words

Traceygirl, I will edit it and send it.

[JessStar]

Let this be your inspiration.

Jess,  Pic. is truly beautiful!!  I already had tears from Deenie's pic. I just don't understand, and pobably never will.  The only comfort I can get is knowing nobody can ever hurt her again.  Also, MH will never hurt another child again if convicted.

Thank you.

[cece]

the little girl who was drugged was placed for the night by CPS  and the mother was forced to walk home by herself at 2 a.m.? (how did they get there?) so, this mom tried to do the right thing by taking her daughter to the hospital...no help for her it seems...then this little child had to have a recent exam?? how awful for her!
someone dropped the ball on this one big time IMO !

So true cookie.  And Sandra paid the ultimate price.   

[Tracygirl]

the little girl who was drugged was placed for the night by CPS  and the mother was forced to walk home by herself at 2 a.m.? (how did they get there?) so, this mom tried to do the right thing by taking her daughter to the hospital...no help for her it seems...then this little child had to have a recent exam?? how awful for her!
someone dropped the ball on this one big time IMO !

So true cookie.  And Sandra paid the ultimate price.   

I don't think anyone dropped the ball, they didn't even have it to begin with! Rather then doing actual police work, they simply assumed to know. Such ego maniacs in this department. Uggg sorry I am just so angry I could spit nails as my dad used to say.

[Edward]

I only have 6 children and 2 grandchildren
3 boys and 3 girls ages 34 31 20 19 13 11 and the grand kids are girl and boy too.
ANYWAYS.. I think girls are traumatized on the first visit to the doctor for these types of exams.. I think that is kinda normal.
 Once they go through pregnancy it all changes.. All modesty goes out the door through all phases of pregnancy and child birth..
I got good with the catchers MIT..as I was in the delivery room for all of them............ 

[Anna]

Medical personnel at the ER should have contacted CPS as well.  They are required to do so.

[Wyks]

I agree with the rest of you! 

And this same detective is lead investigator in the porn ring?     IMO, because of what he has done, he needs to be removed from that position, and have another det. take over.  He supposedly apologized, but that sure didn't sound like one to me.  And he said that he 'did the best he could' back in January, and I call BS on that!  This man needs to lose some stripes, or his whole job!!!!  Two lawsuits coming up for that dude.  One from the little girls mother, and one from Sandra's mother, if at all possible and hopefully and rightfully so. IMO. 

Wonder if the 2nd friends home that Sandra went to, and watched a movie at, etc.. was this little girl??? 

Now to the little girl's mom.  A couple of questions came up for me.  She says that she and her daughter were 'in the car' and she went ahead and drove her to the hospital.  Yet she walked home.  What happened to her car??? 

She also said that she lost one of her daughters to the foster care system and never saw her again.  WTF??  Even if someone does have their child/ren taken away for various reasons, it's usually encouraged for the bio parent to remain in contact. 

She said that as soon as she heard about Sandra, she contacted LE and asked them to check out Melissa.  So that could be why it seems in some of their reports that they already were checking her out before she officially became a POI and then arrested.
   
 

[Wyks]

I have a real problem with what's been reported re Melissa and those fires in the SoCal home she lived in before.  In one of the fires there was $85,000 damage!!  I wouldn't call that a minor oopsy.  It's been said that LE will not press charges on Melissa because of her current charges for this case.  I do understand the importance of this case over the SoCal fires, however for Melissa to slide on those charges doesn't seem right either.  And also, the problem I have with the dropping of those charges, will the jury will get to hear about any of that? 

[Nut44x4]

Dr. Phil is discussing Sandra's case now NBC

[Tracygirl]

Dr. Phil is discussing Sandra's case now NBC

He is not on here until 7  I think. What is he saying about the case?

[flossy]

Dr. Phil is discussing Sandra's case now NBC

He is not on here until 7  I think. What is he saying about the case?

I doubt he says much - he can't go more than 5 minutes without talking about OCTO-MOM!!

[Nut44x4]

I am not watching it, lol...just wanted you all to know.

[no rose colored glasses]

I have a real problem with what's been reported re Melissa and those fires in the SoCal home she lived in before.  In one of the fires there was $85,000 damage!!  I wouldn't call that a minor oopsy.  It's been said that LE will not press charges on Melissa because of her current charges for this case.  I do understand the importance of this case over the SoCal fires, however for Melissa to slide on those charges doesn't seem right either.  And also, the problem I have with the dropping of those charges, will the jury will get to hear about any of that? 

I would like to know more about this also, it's hardly like it's nothing. I wonder also if the jury will hear about the fires, my guess is no.

[no rose colored glasses]

I am not watching it, lol...just wanted you all to know.

Thanks

[JessStar]

I have a real problem with what's been reported re Melissa and those fires in the SoCal home she lived in before.  In one of the fires there was $85,000 damage!!  I wouldn't call that a minor oopsy.  It's been said that LE will not press charges on Melissa because of her current charges for this case.  I do understand the importance of this case over the SoCal fires, however for Melissa to slide on those charges doesn't seem right either.  And also, the problem I have with the dropping of those charges, will the jury will get to hear about any of that? 

These fires are mysterious.  I wonder why she set them.  Perhaps to get rid of evidence?  Ooops, there I go, speculating . . .

[JessStar]

cece, thanks for that article, so Melissa took the child to three parks, and gave her a medicine tasting drink  Tracygirl, Det Cogburn is the one investigating the child porn, now that is scary, and I see a big fat law suit heading in that direction. I wonder if the little girl remembers if there was anyone else besides Melissa and Melissa's daughter, at the parks that day?

Yea he is the one that is leading the Tracy investigation, he said so when the softball coach was arrested. So he has been investigating people downloading child porn in our area, he is well aware of a problem with that here. In Jaunuary, a 7 year old girl is suspected of being drugged and he simply brushes it off as a bad mother drugging her child? Maybe we should check Det  Cogburns computer????

You took the words right out of my mouth.  I'm not typically a conspiracy theorist, but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

[Wyks]

I have a real problem with what's been reported re Melissa and those fires in the SoCal home she lived in before.  In one of the fires there was $85,000 damage!!  I wouldn't call that a minor oopsy.  It's been said that LE will not press charges on Melissa because of her current charges for this case.  I do understand the importance of this case over the SoCal fires, however for Melissa to slide on those charges doesn't seem right either.  And also, the problem I have with the dropping of those charges, will the jury will get to hear about any of that? 

I would like to know more about this also, it's hardly like it's nothing. I wonder also if the jury will hear about the fires, my guess is no.

Wonder if arson is considered a violent crime in CA, as it is in some states.  Seems to me that a violent felony against her might make a difference to the jury in re to this case. 

Here in Nebraska, a violent felony in the past of one suspect up for murder one, gave him the last of the points needed for the death penalty in the murder case.  In other words, it made a difference in that case.  And I wonder if these arson charges against Melissa could make that kind of difference in her case, had those charges not been dropped.  Sigh.

[cookie]

Mh should not get a pass on the fires if she set them just because of what is going on now with her! for fricks sake! what if someone had died in that fire? let alone the trauma that the other tenants suffered as well as losing their property! hopefully they had insurance to cover their items! what if one of the other tenants had been accused of setting the fires and all along perhaps MH did it?  If she is responsible, tack the charges on...stack em up! jmo

Wyks, I wondered about the drugged child's mother as well...why she would not have tried to get re custody of the child that was taken away from her? why wouldn't she want to try to keep contact contact with that child? how sad is that?

[Wyks]

Mh should not get a pass on the fires if she set them just because of what is going on now with her! for fricks sake! what if someone had died in that fire? let alone the trauma that the other tenants suffered as well as losing their property! hopefully they had insurance to cover their items! what if one of the other tenants had been accused of setting the fires and all along perhaps MH did it?  If she is responsible, tack the charges on...stack em up! jmo

Wyks, I wondered about the drugged child's mother as well...why she would not have tried to get re custody of the child that was taken away from her? why wouldn't she want to try to keep contact contact with that child? how sad is that?

Exactly, Cookie!  On all points! 

[Kat_Gram]

I am not understanding quite a few things here.
I have no confidence in the Tracy LE. I didn't really right from the get go.
When that Sgt. spoke on the TV from the get go, it seemed as if he was holding stuff back. Or perhaps he was uncomfortable being on tv.
.. Is it usual for a gag order to be issued right from the get go ?
I understand that there is some very sensitive information in regards to Sandra and that should be held back out of respect and really the public doesn't need to know some of those details about what the findings of the ME were, but the rest of this is just a load of crap.
LE's job is to serve and protect and they failed.