Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Tams]

Just now having a chance to catch up today - wow! 7 pages already since I checked in a few hours ago!

I wanted to thank AZSunny for bringing JazzTune's post over from the previous closed thread (back on page 1). Highly informative (from the viewpoint of an experienced psych nurse) and very helpful as always! Definitely brings insight to all of us here as we try to figure this one out.

Thanks JazzTune & AZSunny!

....Meaning that JazzTune, the author of the great post, is the experienced psych nurse, NOT myself!!! Sorry - realized I worded that very poorly.

[momoftwins]

Hi Monkeys. - big post ... after watching the Vid of MH in Court.
After watching MH on the video of her in Court and watching her responses ..My Mind is perplexed. That and It has been said over and over that for a Woman to molest/murder another's child is almost unheard of.
Watching her melt during at Key words when the Judge is talking - her emotions hit - for the words of Sandra, Rape, Murder and Foreign Object
I do not think she did it. I think she Witnessed the Rape, Murder of Sandra and she was there ..but I don't think she herself did these unforgivable acts of rape/murder.
I think too she is not solely responsible for Luring, Kidnapping and Drugging Sandra .. she was instructed to find a child and Sandra being in the wrong place at the wrong time...
It was perfect planning. The entire city was attending the Funeral of a Slain Police Officer. 20k residents standing curbside .. All LE were at the Funeral. All at the Same Time Sandra was last seen.

It all goes back to the little girl she had in her possession at the Park that she returned home to her Mother drugged. That seems not to be in the media. Why is that? Because its being investigated and its under wraps. Its hush hush.   
I think that MH implicated herself to keep LE away from her Grandparents and knows everything that happened to Sandra .. because she was part of it and she witnessed all of it. Why she so wanted to protect the Grandparents is imo there is an alliance that goes deeper than family.

Connie Lawless was in the Home when Sandra came over .. Connie Lawless knew Madison was not in the house. Connie knew that Melissa was lying that she said she turned Sandra away because Madison had to pick up her toys,  when she gave the statements to Media and LE.
Connie made statements that Sandra had been abused. WHY? would a doting Grandmother who had her own Great Granddaughter of 5 yrs of age playing with Sandra say that? As she said in her first breath that Sandra was a perfect child and loved by our family and was always welcomed in our home.
Would she not have done something about it ..if it were true that Sandra was abused? Or was she using choice words when interviewed by LE. Her subconscious mind speaking.  Connie Lawless is no angel in my mind.
I think that MH Lured Sandra into her Home. She drugged her and stuffed her into the Suitcase.
The Church and MH - MH - It's been speculated that she was only a volunteer at the church ..not the Sunday School teacher. No one has made it clear that she was indeed the Sunday School Teacher. That and people have stated that they never see Cars in the Church parking lot. That the congregation is at best a handful of people. No one has made it clear that there actually was Services held at this building in a very long time if ever.
MH Made up a story for LE that she had a suitcase filled with decorations to take to the church. She set it in the driveway, realized she had no keys and no cell. Went back into the house to look. Could not find them, grabbed her spare set ..drove off to the church.
WITHOUT the Suitcase.  She realizes after the fact.. hmmm

The Neighborhood.
I have to say this, knowing the Lawless were an elderly couple- to have something stolen out of your driveway mid day is very unlikely. If anything - if the suitcase sat for any great length of time .. Connie Lawless herself would have noticed it, and or a Neighbor would have taken it and brought it to the attention of Connie.. You left a suitcase in your driveway.  It simply would not go POOF.

MH Contends and Calls LE.
My Suitcase was Stolen. The Same Day Sandra is reported Missing. But her Report comes into LE after Sandra is reported Missing which would have been after 8 pm.
Yet she did not go to the Church after 8 pm. She went during the Time that Sandra was walking around the MHP. She had just turned Sandra away, that Madison was not able to play. So in 4 hours plus it took MH to figure out after going to the church to take the decorations .. minus the suitcase ..4-5pm ..took her that many hours to figure out the suitcase was STOLEN. No. Because it was never stolen. YET she felt that she needed to Tell someone that her Suitcase was stolen/missing .. WHY?
WAS it because FRED or another person could have been SEEN removing the Suitcase from the LAWLESS Driveway ....and she wanted to cover her tracks.
Everyone knowing that Sandra had "friends" that she would visit and go to in route to certain homes first. Well that would dismiss the Lawless because they all said - She was Here but she was turned away because Madison could not play.. we sent Sandra away.
I think that Sandra was stuffed inside the suitcase as it sat in the Driveway for a short amount of time. And someone maybe FRED  or another came and picked it up. Therefore, from that Moment the Trail of Sandra is no longer traced to the Lawless house nor anywhere.

I think that MH has been abused herself by the same people. I think that she is a broken woman for many reasons. MH as I see it.  Her in Retrospect -suffers from Stockholm syndrome.  A psychological response the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed.
Her past shows that she has been on a downward spiral. She was weak and had nothing to lose by being involved in all of this, or that she has some sick alliance to these people ..she figured at the time .. I can't fall much further than I am now ..and someone offered her $$$$ " Just find us a child". You won't be involved.. your the last person that anyone would look at.  Keep your mouth shut. Play the Game. Do as your told. You will be compensated.
BUT MH's conscience got the best of her. And she made statements that opened doors and now she is where she is. And the people who are involved they walk away. Why ? because MH has a past on record for being unstable and etc. She is nothing to them.
She may not say anything due to it would implicate people that are the closest to her. That maybe who ever is the Kingpin has threatened her daughter life or something to that extent. 
I think that Sandra was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time ..and that this was Planned not for Sandra but for a Child to be taken and used/abused and murdered. Used for Child Porn and God knows what else and this will all come out.
I Think that this Case is so much Bigger than MH - and it will be found out. She is going to Talk at one point. Maybe not to save herself. But she will talk, and with what she says it will offer enough information to start putting pieces together of a puzzle - that will lead to more connections & convictions I pray.

Justice For Sandra 

Deenie
I couldn't have said it any better.  ITA!! 100%!!  I truly think the Grandparents, and Williams are just as guilty as MH.  IMO

[Wyks]

She needs to pay for what she did, there is no doubt about it. Everyone has choices, everyone has skeletons in their closets. I have literally been so upset at my ex I had to control myself as to not throw something at him. I found that control, as do millions of other people and we stopped from doing something that would harm another person.

I don't get pedophilia at all. I don't understand why someone would want to do this to a child or get turned on by seeing a child. It is so un-natural, especially for a woman. We are wired to care and protect children, not to do this. I have read so many times an abuser was once a victim, why? Not why they turn to abuse, that is basic psychology, but why do they not get the help they need to not turn into abusers. This doesn't happen to all victims though, many turn that pain of being victimized into advocating. So why some vicitms become abusers and others, not? That is the million dollar question I think.     

I do not condone what she did, not for one second, however if it is found out she herself is a victim of molestation I find it sad. She obviously didn't get the help needed to recover from her ordeal and if her family knew about it but choose to ignore it, they are somewhat responsible for what happened to Sandra. So too, if the parents/family knew about a mental illness so serious she would kill and rape a child yet they did what so many parents/family do, choose to ignore it, look past it, make excuses for it, I hope each one feels the guilt of this child's death for the rest of their lives.

Is it ok to ask, if it is found MH is a victim of sexual abuse, will that change the way you feel about this case and about her?

If she was indeed a victim all I would change is that her abuser would have murdered her, stuffed her in a suitcase and dumped her in a dirty pond. Then maybe Sandra would still be with us.

I don't know if I can agree with that. No child ever should ever be abused, murderd, stuffed into a suitcase and dumped, no child.

I didn’t ask you to agree with me. You asked for my opinion and I gave it. If it would have saved Sandra from this monster then that's how I feel. Personal abuse is no excuse for abuse and murder of another. There are way too many abused people in this country that don't carry on the tradition. She is a monster and I have no regard or empathy for her

Except that Melissa may not in fact be the monster as you describe.  It appears to be that way, yes.  However, we don't have all the facts in this situation, LE has not released every single bit of info that they do know. 

All we know at this point is that Sandra ended up dead and in a suitcase at the hands of someone, and THAT person/s is the monster, IMO. 

Please lets remember that while Melissa is being charged for this awful thing, she has not yet been to trial, has not yet been proven beyond a shadow of doubt to be the guilty one (and only one) by the prosecution and jury of her peers. 

No matter how we each may feel about it, this process needs to happen first, kwim? 

[N2WISHN]

She needs to pay for what she did, there is no doubt about it. Everyone has choices, everyone has skeletons in their closets. I have literally been so upset at my ex I had to control myself as to not throw something at him. I found that control, as do millions of other people and we stopped from doing something that would harm another person.

I don't get pedophilia at all. I don't understand why someone would want to do this to a child or get turned on by seeing a child. It is so un-natural, especially for a woman. We are wired to care and protect children, not to do this. I have read so many times an abuser was once a victim, why? Not why they turn to abuse, that is basic psychology, but why do they not get the help they need to not turn into abusers. This doesn't happen to all victims though, many turn that pain of being victimized into advocating. So why some vicitms become abusers and others, not? That is the million dollar question I think.     

I do not condone what she did, not for one second, however if it is found out she herself is a victim of molestation I find it sad. She obviously didn't get the help needed to recover from her ordeal and if her family knew about it but choose to ignore it, they are somewhat responsible for what happened to Sandra. So too, if the parents/family knew about a mental illness so serious she would kill and rape a child yet they did what so many parents/family do, choose to ignore it, look past it, make excuses for it, I hope each one feels the guilt of this child's death for the rest of their lives.

Is it ok to ask, if it is found MH is a victim of sexual abuse, will that change the way you feel about this case and about her?

If she was indeed a victim all I would change is that her abuser would have murdered her, stuffed her in a suitcase and dumped her in a dirty pond. Then maybe Sandra would still be with us.

I don't know if I can agree with that. No child ever should ever be abused, murderd, stuffed into a suitcase and dumped, no child.

I didn’t ask you to agree with me. You asked for my opinion and I gave it. If it would have saved Sandra from this monster then that's how I feel. Personal abuse is no excuse for abuse and murder of another. There are way too many abused people in this country that don't carry on the tradition. She is a monster and I have no regard or empathy for her

Except that Melissa may not in fact be the monster as you describe.  It appears to be that way, yes.  However, we don't have all the facts in this situation, LE has not released every single bit of info that they do know. 

All we know at this point is that Sandra ended up dead and in a suitcase at the hands of someone, and THAT person/s is the monster, IMO. 

Please lets remember that while Melissa is being charged for this awful thing, she has not yet been to trial, has not yet been proven beyond a shadow of doubt to be the guilty one (and only one) by the prosecution and jury of her peers. 

No matter how we each may feel about it, this process needs to happen first, kwim? 

If in fact she is proven guilty, then in my eyes she is a monster. If she played ANY part in the demise of Sandra she is still a monster.

[Maven]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

Cantu Mourned At Private Tracy Funeral
Woman Accused Of Killing Sandra Cantu

POSTED: 5:57 am PDT April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 12:45 pm PDT April 15, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- A private funeral was held in Tracy Wednesday for slain 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
Many of those in attendance at Fry Memorial Chapel wore a ribbon with a picture of the girl.

Outside of the chapel, the child's casket was placed in a horse-drawn carriage and taken to Tracy Mausoleum.

Meanwhile, the woman accused of killing Cantu tried to take her own life just days before she was arrested last week, a news organization says.

Melissa Huckaby, 28, swallowed razor blades in a suicide attempt, CBS reported.

Officers served two search warrants Tuesday -- one at the church and another at Huckaby's home in the nearby Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park.

Police did not say what they were looking for, but KCRA 3 confirmed through sources close to the investigation that officers were looking for evidence related to a note related to a note Huckaby said she found at her mailbox the day after Cantu disappeared. A source said the note contained the words "Cantu," "water" and "suitcase."

A source also said Huckaby admitted to investigators that Cantu's death was an accident.

Tracy police are searching for any other possible victims of Huckaby, who served as a Sunday school teacher at Clover Road Baptist Church.

Any parent who suspects their children may have had "inappropriate contact" with Huckaby are being asked to contact authorities, Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

Cantu's body was found April 6 in a suitcase in an irrigation pond north of Tracy. The girl disappeared on March 27 from Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where she lived with her family.

A sobbing Huckaby did not enter a plea when she faced a judge in a Stockton courtroom Tuesday. A public defender was assigned to Huckaby. Her next court appearance is April 24.

he continued to cry as Judge Richard Vlavianos read the charges: one count of murder with the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14 and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

The special circumstances in a complaint filed Tuesday makes Huckaby eligible for the death penalty if prosecutors choose to pursue that option.

Fry Memorial Chapel in Tracy is handling funeral arrangements for Cantu.

A public memorial service will be held at 1 p.m. Thursday at the Merrill F. West High School gym, which seats about 2,500 people. Burial will be private.

Anyone wishing to reach Cantu's family may route condolences to the Tracy Police Department, which has assigned a liaison to work with relatives. Those wishing to make donations of money in the girl's memory are being asked to contact the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation.

[Izzy58]

Found some info on MK & JH from Shawnee Co Court records. Not sure if this is Melissa and her ex husband but it was reported Johnny Huckaby was from the Topeka area.  I don't know if it was reported what John Huckaby's present wife's name is but if this is MH's ex then it looks like these records are showing JH's wife as Amanda. It also shows she is or was in the military and they have judgements against them for unpaid medical bills.  I also came across on another search a marriage license for Johnny Huckaby filed in Dec 2006 in Topeka.

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=&first=&middle=&last=huckaby&CV=Y&CR=Y&DM=Y&PR=Y&TR=Y&mob=&yob=&location=internet




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    Case Number: 07R 000079
    Petitioner:   HUCKABY,MELISSA,,    Attorney:   ROWE,WARD,,
    Respondent:   HUCKABY,JOHN,,    Attorney:   N/A
    Division:   13
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    10/17/2007   -   IV-D Interstate Information Memo
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST INCOME WITHHOLDING FILED
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF MINUTES AND ORDER FOR JUDGMENT
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF JUDGMENT
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF AFFIDAVIT OF ACCRUED ARREARS
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF ADDRESS INFORMATION REQUEST
    10/17/2007   -   Request for Service filed.
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION issued as to JOHN HUCKABY personal service to the Sheriff of SHAWNEE County, KS.
    10/29/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION returned, personal service - as to JOHN HUCKABY 10/25/07 . Entered by 1153.
    12/13/2007   -   Order to Withhold Income for Child Support - JDJ
    12/17/2007   -   ORDER CONFIRMING REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED - JDJ
    12/20/2007   -   Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.
    01/02/2008   -   Notice of assignment of support rights filed IV-D AFDC.
    01/09/2008   -   RENEWAL AFFIDAVIT FILED
    02/25/2008   -   Removed from active docket on 12/17/07.
    08/25/2008   -   Case transfered Div 04 to Div 13,New Judicial Assignment.NEP
    09/04/2008   -   NOTICE OF AN ORDER TO WITHHOLD INCOME FOR CHILD SUPPORT FILED
    02/11/2009   -   Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.

[Deenie]

In my Mind - MH did not rape/murder Sandra.
She did Lure Her, Drug Her and Stuff her in that Suitcase to get her out of the MHP
She Witnessed Sandra being Raped and Killed
That's what I think. And I believe that MH is part of a Sick Society of Perps - being that she once was a victim herself.
What is the phrase
Keep Your Friends Close and Your Enemies Closer -
What happens when you have no friends and all you have is " Family" and they are  friend/enemy/foe/mind control/ and take control over your 5 yr old ....

Why did they send Madison away? When all the family is coming out of the woodwork and saying ... We have not talked to Melissa in Months or longer .. No contact.
Yet Madison is sent away to them the estranged Family-  prior to the days of Sandra  reported missing.

Why and who made that decision ? 

[Tracygirl]

Hi Monkeys. - big post ... after watching the Vid of MH in Court.
After watching MH on the video of her in Court and watching her responses ..My Mind is perplexed. That and It has been said over and over that for a Woman to molest/murder another's child is almost unheard of.
Watching her melt during at Key words when the Judge is talking - her emotions hit - for the words of Sandra, Rape, Murder and Foreign Object
I do not think she did it. I think she Witnessed the Rape, Murder of Sandra and she was there ..but I don't think she herself did these unforgivable acts of rape/murder.
I think too she is not solely responsible for Luring, Kidnapping and Drugging Sandra .. she was instructed to find a child and Sandra being in the wrong place at the wrong time...
It was perfect planning. The entire city was attending the Funeral of a Slain Police Officer. 20k residents standing curbside .. All LE were at the Funeral. All at the Same Time Sandra was last seen.

It all goes back to the little girl she had in her possession at the Park that she returned home to her Mother drugged. That seems not to be in the media. Why is that? Because its being investigated and its under wraps. Its hush hush.   
I think that MH implicated herself to keep LE away from her Grandparents and knows everything that happened to Sandra .. because she was part of it and she witnessed all of it. Why she so wanted to protect the Grandparents is imo there is an alliance that goes deeper than family.

Connie Lawless was in the Home when Sandra came over .. Connie Lawless knew Madison was not in the house. Connie knew that Melissa was lying that she said she turned Sandra away because Madison had to pick up her toys,  when she gave the statements to Media and LE.
Connie made statements that Sandra had been abused. WHY? would a doting Grandmother who had her own Great Granddaughter of 5 yrs of age playing with Sandra say that? As she said in her first breath that Sandra was a perfect child and loved by our family and was always welcomed in our home.
Would she not have done something about it ..if it were true that Sandra was abused? Or was she using choice words when interviewed by LE. Her subconscious mind speaking.  Connie Lawless is no angel in my mind.
I think that MH Lured Sandra into her Home. She drugged her and stuffed her into the Suitcase.
The Church and MH - MH - It's been speculated that she was only a volunteer at the church ..not the Sunday School teacher. No one has made it clear that she was indeed the Sunday School Teacher. That and people have stated that they never see Cars in the Church parking lot. That the congregation is at best a handful of people. No one has made it clear that there actually was Services held at this building in a very long time if ever.
MH Made up a story for LE that she had a suitcase filled with decorations to take to the church. She set it in the driveway, realized she had no keys and no cell. Went back into the house to look. Could not find them, grabbed her spare set ..drove off to the church.
WITHOUT the Suitcase.  She realizes after the fact.. hmmm

The Neighborhood.
I have to say this, knowing the Lawless were an elderly couple- to have something stolen out of your driveway mid day is very unlikely. If anything - if the suitcase sat for any great length of time .. Connie Lawless herself would have noticed it, and or a Neighbor would have taken it and brought it to the attention of Connie.. You left a suitcase in your driveway.  It simply would not go POOF.

MH Contends and Calls LE.
My Suitcase was Stolen. The Same Day Sandra is reported Missing. But her Report comes into LE after Sandra is reported Missing which would have been after 8 pm.
Yet she did not go to the Church after 8 pm. She went during the Time that Sandra was walking around the MHP. She had just turned Sandra away, that Madison was not able to play. So in 4 hours plus it took MH to figure out after going to the church to take the decorations .. minus the suitcase ..4-5pm ..took her that many hours to figure out the suitcase was STOLEN. No. Because it was never stolen. YET she felt that she needed to Tell someone that her Suitcase was stolen/missing .. WHY?
WAS it because FRED or another person could have been SEEN removing the Suitcase from the LAWLESS Driveway ....and she wanted to cover her tracks.
Everyone knowing that Sandra had "friends" that she would visit and go to in route to certain homes first. Well that would dismiss the Lawless because they all said - She was Here but she was turned away because Madison could not play.. we sent Sandra away.
I think that Sandra was stuffed inside the suitcase as it sat in the Driveway for a short amount of time. And someone maybe FRED  or another came and picked it up. Therefore, from that Moment the Trail of Sandra is no longer traced to the Lawless house nor anywhere.

I think that MH has been abused herself by the same people. I think that she is a broken woman for many reasons. MH as I see it.  Her in Retrospect -suffers from Stockholm syndrome.  A psychological response the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed.
Her past shows that she has been on a downward spiral. She was weak and had nothing to lose by being involved in all of this, or that she has some sick alliance to these people ..she figured at the time .. I can't fall much further than I am now ..and someone offered her $$$$ " Just find us a child". You won't be involved.. your the last person that anyone would look at.  Keep your mouth shut. Play the Game. Do as your told. You will be compensated.
BUT MH's conscience got the best of her. And she made statements that opened doors and now she is where she is. And the people who are involved they walk away. Why ? because MH has a past on record for being unstable and etc. She is nothing to them.
She may not say anything due to it would implicate people that are the closest to her. That maybe who ever is the Kingpin has threatened her daughter life or something to that extent. 
I think that Sandra was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time ..and that this was Planned not for Sandra but for a Child to be taken and used/abused and murdered. Used for Child Porn and God knows what else and this will all come out.
I Think that this Case is so much Bigger than MH - and it will be found out. She is going to Talk at one point. Maybe not to save herself. But she will talk, and with what she says it will offer enough information to start putting pieces together of a puzzle - that will lead to more connections & convictions I pray.

Justice For Sandra 

Deenie I do believe the story MH told about not having Internet access was meant as she didn't have access at the church where she was.
Grandma Lawless may not be one of the abusers but may be the enabler. Sort of like the person who ignores the big elephant in the room and cleans up after everyone. That is what I get from her. Her husband on the other hand....I get a strange vibe from him. He is always quiet and seems people do the talking for him. At first I thought maybe he was suffering from dementia but I have heard me speak, he does not have it from what I can tell. There is something in his eyes, not sure if it is anger at what his grand daughter did or what. I can't put my finger on it.
I can't explain it, but he is on my radar as well as Fred Williams.

[leslee]

In my Mind - MH did not rape/murder Sandra.
She did Lure Her, Drug Her and Stuff her in that Suitcase to get her out of the MHP
She Witnessed Sandra being Raped and Killed
That's what I think. And I believe that MH is part of a Sick Society of Perps - being that she once was a victim herself.
What is the phrase
Keep Your Friends Close and Your Enemies Closer -
What happens when you have no friends and all you have is " Family" and they are  friend/enemy/foe/mind control/ and take control over your 5 yr old ....

Why did they send Madison away? When all the family is coming out of the woodwork and saying ... We have not talked to Melissa in Months or longer .. No contact.
Yet Madison is sent away to them the estranged Family-  prior to the days of Sandra  reported missing.

Why and who made that decision ? 

I am confused.... is Madison MH daughter? When did Madison leave? I thought she had not left until Sandra had gone missing. And then of course her mom swallows 3 X-Actos As far as families go just because they did not have contact with their daughter doesn't mean they wouldn't want to spend time with their granddaughter.

[Dolce]

Deenie I think you are on to something and I agree with your thinking on this.  As Rob said a few nights ago, 2+2 is not equalling 4 in this case and it is driving me bonkers!!  I do not like how the Tracy police have wrapped this up all nicely and tied it with a bow and are now trying to shove it down our throats...something is fishy!

[Tracygirl]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

Cantu Mourned At Private Tracy Funeral
Woman Accused Of Killing Sandra Cantu

POSTED: 5:57 am PDT April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 12:45 pm PDT April 15, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- A private funeral was held in Tracy Wednesday for slain 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
Many of those in attendance at Fry Memorial Chapel wore a ribbon with a picture of the girl.

Outside of the chapel, the child's casket was placed in a horse-drawn carriage and taken to Tracy Mausoleum.

That horse drawn carraige got me....
Rest in peace sweet little Sandra. Our town will never forget you.

[Wyks]

Thank-you catbert, I found that very interesting, especially this part.   We certainly wonder if this woman was a victim of sexual abuse herself," Moore said.  "If she was reenacting something and it ended up being fatal. That is a very reasonable question to wonder about in this case.  If so she's certainly traumatized and probably chronically traumatized and is probably feeling a tremendous mix of emotion right now which is probably quite genuine."       Chronically traumatized what does that mean, I know what chronic means, but I'm not sure if chronically traumatized, means that all the time she is traumatized, and gets very little break from the trauma of abuse?

Yes, you're on the right track, NoRose.  A person who is 'chronically traumatized' is one who has had horrific trauma repeated over and over, without let up.  What can happen as a result of this, is that it tends to affect the person's ability to recover emotionally and develop as a healthy functioning adult.  And because the trauma is all that person has ever known, it can repeat in the next generation and so on.  Some folks however, are able somehow to go in the opposite direction, with a mindset on not allowing that cycle to repeat. 

[Wyks]

Hi MunkeyMunk, welcome! 

Thanks Wyks

You're welcome!  You're in good company, we have several new monkeys!   

[no rose colored glasses]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

Cantu Mourned At Private Tracy Funeral
Woman Accused Of Killing Sandra Cantu

POSTED: 5:57 am PDT April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 12:45 pm PDT April 15, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- A private funeral was held in Tracy Wednesday for slain 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
Many of those in attendance at Fry Memorial Chapel wore a ribbon with a picture of the girl.

Outside of the chapel, the child's casket was placed in a horse-drawn carriage and taken to Tracy Mausoleum.

That horse drawn carraige got me....
Rest in peace sweet little Sandra. Our town will never forget you.

Thanks maven for posting that, and Tracygirl that horse drawn carriage got me also. What a beautiful idea though, I can just imagine how many people were at the funeral, and tomorrow, the public memorial, I'm sure will be packed.

[fatcatlurker]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/04/15/MNG91728G7.DTL

Focus on church, home
However, sources close to the investigation have told The Chronicle that the girl was deliberately killed at the Clover Road Baptist Church, where Huckaby teaches Sunday school and her grandfather is pastor. The church is two blocks from the mobile home park where Sandra lived and where Huckaby resides with relatives, and police and FBI agents searched it several times before Huckaby was arrested.

Investigators with search warrants went back into the church and Huckaby's home Tuesday evening but did not say what they were looking for.

If Huckaby is convicted and sent to Death Row, she will join just 15 women there among 680 condemned prisoners in California.

In fact, instances of women committing crimes such as the ones Huckaby is accused of are so uncommon that criminologists interviewed Tuesday struggled to come up with similar examples.

Only 5 percent of pedophiles in America who abuse girls are female, said David Finkelhor, director of the University of New Hampshire Crimes Against Children Research Center, and the victims are almost always older than Sandra was.

"There are cases of a woman acting alone, but more frequently you get a situation where it's a woman working in cahoots with a guy," he said. "What's being described here is very rare."

[Izzy58]

Found some info on MK & JH from Shawnee Co Court records. Not sure if this is Melissa and her ex husband but it was reported Johnny Huckaby was from the Topeka area.  I don't know if it was reported what John Huckaby's present wife's name is but if this is MH's ex then it looks like these records are showing JH's wife as Amanda. It also shows she is or was in the military and they have judgements against them for unpaid medical bills.  I also came across on another search a marriage license for Johnny Huckaby filed in Dec 2006 in Topeka.

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=&first=&middle=&last=huckaby&CV=Y&CR=Y&DM=Y&PR=Y&TR=Y&mob=&yob=&location=internet




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    Case Number: 07R 000079
    Petitioner:   HUCKABY,MELISSA,,    Attorney:   ROWE,WARD,,
    Respondent:   HUCKABY,JOHN,,    Attorney:   N/A
    Division:   13
    Next Activity:   None
    10/17/2007   -   IV-D Interstate Information Memo
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST INCOME WITHHOLDING FILED
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF MINUTES AND ORDER FOR JUDGMENT
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF JUDGMENT
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF AFFIDAVIT OF ACCRUED ARREARS
    10/17/2007   -   COPY OF ADDRESS INFORMATION REQUEST
    10/17/2007   -   Request for Service filed.
    10/17/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION issued as to JOHN HUCKABY personal service to the Sheriff of SHAWNEE County, KS.
    10/29/2007   -   NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION returned, personal service - as to JOHN HUCKABY 10/25/07 . Entered by 1153.
    12/13/2007   -   Order to Withhold Income for Child Support - JDJ
    12/17/2007   -   ORDER CONFIRMING REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED - JDJ
    12/20/2007   -   Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.
    01/02/2008   -   Notice of assignment of support rights filed IV-D AFDC.
    01/09/2008   -   RENEWAL AFFIDAVIT FILED
    02/25/2008   -   Removed from active docket on 12/17/07.
    08/25/2008   -   Case transfered Div 04 to Div 13,New Judicial Assignment.NEP
    09/04/2008   -   NOTICE OF AN ORDER TO WITHHOLD INCOME FOR CHILD SUPPORT FILED
    02/11/2009   -   Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.

After checking this is indeed the right Johnny Huckaby. According to an article him and his wife may have moved to Arkansas.  Shouldn't be too hard for LE to track him down for questioning to try and get some insight into what may have been going on with Melissa. From the above order it looks like Melissa was receiving AFDC for her and her child.




http://m.cjonline.com/articles/191120185

Accused Calif. mom has area ties
By Taylor Atkins
Apr 12, 2009

A Topeka man may be able to provide some answers for law enforcement investigating the California woman who was arrested Saturday for allegedly killing an 8-year-old girl and stuffing her into a suitcase. 

Melissa Huckaby, a 28-year-old Sunday School teacher in Tracy, Calif., was taken into custody over the weekend in connection with the kidnapping and death of Sandra Cantu, a story which has been in the national news since the girl went missing March 27. 

Huckaby was once married to and had a child with Johnny Huckaby, who lived in Topeka for several years but may not have been a native Topekan. Their daughter wasn't the child Melissa Huckaby is suspected of killing. 

Melissa Huckaby was using local lawyer Ward Rowe to help obtain child support from her ex-husband. 

Phone calls to Rowe on Sunday weren't immediately returned, but records showed multiple claims were filed through the district court, the most recent in February, to obtain the money Johnny Huckaby owed. His wages were garnished in order to collect, but the court records don't indicate where he was employed. 

According to reports from the San Francisco Chronicle, Melissa Huckaby was pregnant with Johnny Huckaby's daughter, who is now 5, when the two separated and later divorced. Johnny Huckaby filed for a marriage license with Amanda Mays, of Topeka, a little more than a year later in 2006. 

Members of the media were unable to reach Johnny or Amanda Mays Huckaby in Topeka since the news of Melissa Huckaby's arrest. Reports indicate the couple may have moved to Arkansas. 

Their last known phone number in Topeka has been disconnected, and a new resident moved into their last known address in October. 

The resident said Sunday that Shawnee County Sheriff's deputies were at his house looking for Johnny Huckaby on Saturday, the same day Melissa Huckaby was arrested. It wasn't known whether the deputies' search was related to the arrest, as phone calls to the sheriff's office weren't immediately returned. 

Johnny and Amanda Mays Huckaby have several listings in Shawnee County District Court records for debts unpaid to local medical care providers and a local bank. 

Melissa Huckaby also was in debt in California, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, and had one arrest for petty theft. Relatives said the churchgoing mom hit “a rough patch” in her life and moved in with her grandparents in Tracy, a city of 78,000 people about 60 miles east of San Francisco. 

Melissa Huckaby was on suicide watch Saturday at the San Joaquin County Jail after being booked on suspicion of kidnapping and killing 8-year-old Sandra. The girl's body was found in one of Melissa Huckaby's suitcases in an irrigation pond in Tracy nearly a week ago, police said. 

After the disappearance of Sandra, who often played with Melissa and Johnny Huckaby's daughter around the neighborhood, hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement officials turned out to search for her. Pictures of the girl with dark brown eyes and light brown hair were posted all over the city. 

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said Melissa Huckaby attended the second of several vigils for the slain girl. 

On April 6, farmworkers draining an irrigation pond found the suitcase containing the child's body. 

Sheneman said investigators have no motive for the slaying. Police declined to say where or how the girl was allegedly killed. Inconsistencies in Huckaby's story led to her arrest, Sheneman said. 

There are no other suspects and no other arrests are expected, he said. There also was no word on who was caring for Melissa and Johnny's daughter while the mother is being held without bond for an arraignment Tuesday. 

San Francisco Chronicle staff writer Jaxon Van Derbeken and The Associated Press contributed to this report. 

Taylor Atkins can be reached at (785) 295-1187 or taylor.atkins@cjonline.com . 
 

[Wyks]

If in fact she is proven guilty, then in my eyes she is a monster. If she played ANY part in the demise of Sandra she is still a monster.

I do understand that, N2WISHN.  How very hard this must be for Sandra's family, waiting for justice.  Am thinking if it were me, it would be hard to hold me back, ya know? 

For example, I believe that Jessica Lunsford's dad showed great patience and restraint during trial.  Am thinking I would have hopped over that rail many times to take things into my own hands.  Sigh. 

[flossy]

Am I the only one who still has the weird porn ring/cult type of feeling about this one?  I'm not sure if there's been anything new that I don't know about.  (I didn't see anything in this new thread, unless I just missed something!)

No you aren't the only one, several of us have shared and shared our feelings on that. 

I know that several of us have talked about it for a while, I just thought I was sensing a change of heart or direction at the beginning of this new thread since some of the focus was on a possible mental illness, etc.   Just a quick barometer check!

[Maven]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

Cantu Mourned At Private Tracy Funeral
Woman Accused Of Killing Sandra Cantu

POSTED: 5:57 am PDT April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 12:45 pm PDT April 15, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- A private funeral was held in Tracy Wednesday for slain 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
Many of those in attendance at Fry Memorial Chapel wore a ribbon with a picture of the girl.

Outside of the chapel, the child's casket was placed in a horse-drawn carriage and taken to Tracy Mausoleum.

That horse drawn carraige got me....
Rest in peace sweet little Sandra. Our town will never forget you.

Thanks maven for posting that, and Tracygirl that horse drawn carriage got me also. What a beautiful idea though, I can just imagine how many people were at the funeral, and tomorrow, the public memorial, I'm sure will be packed.

The part about the horse drawn carriage made me  too. I'm sure there will be very many people at the public memorial tomorrow, little Sandra has touched the hearts of many.
Justice for Sandra

[no rose colored glasses]

Thank-you catbert, I found that very interesting, especially this part.   We certainly wonder if this woman was a victim of sexual abuse herself," Moore said.  "If she was reenacting something and it ended up being fatal. That is a very reasonable question to wonder about in this case.  If so she's certainly traumatized and probably chronically traumatized and is probably feeling a tremendous mix of emotion right now which is probably quite genuine."       Chronically traumatized what does that mean, I know what chronic means, but I'm not sure if chronically traumatized, means that all the time she is traumatized, and gets very little break from the trauma of abuse?

Yes, you're on the right track, NoRose.  A person who is 'chronically traumatized' is one who has had horrific trauma repeated over and over, without let up.  What can happen as a result of this, is that it tends to affect the person's ability to recover emotionally and develop as a healthy functioning adult.  And because the trauma is all that person has ever known, it can repeat in the next generation and so on.  Some folks however, are able somehow to go in the opposite direction, with a mindset on not allowing that cycle to repeat. 

Thank-you. I was wondering also, while many, many people after being abused as a child, can as you say, go in the opposite direction , with a mindset on not allowing that cycle to repeat. I guess what I'm wondering is the people that can go forward and lead a productive life, after what has all happened to them, they are a much stronger human being, that can move forward. But for some people, is it because they are weaker, or have some problem mentally, that they continue to repeat the cycle? That some people just can't move away from the aftermath of abuse, no matter how hard they have tired even with professional help?