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Deenie
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 04:05:36 PM »
This blog of Kathy Shaw
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/
She has every article known to News on the subject. I just am astonished at the Numbers.
I know that " Clergy" are what they are Beings with a " Clergy Clothing" and all... but the numbers of those involved in sexual abuse in Church just is so .... awful and disgusting. For every one of these " Slime bags" they have countless victims.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 04:12:44 PM »
There is a Fegus Lawless on there from Los Angeles
Lawless Fergus 1933 P Accused Capuchin
Accused in 2004 or 2005 of abusing one person 1952-53.
Named in 1 civil suit. Listed as Franciscan by archdiocese and LA Times database, but listed in Directory as Capuchin.
Los Angeles, CA Source:
LA Archdiocesan Report Addendum 11.15.05
Assignments:
LA Times Database 4.20.06
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 04:26:30 PM »
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Blink
Klaas
sites:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/member/index.jsp
Omg this site you can look up any one person in CLERGY that has been associated with sex offenses by State or Name.........
Kathy Shaw's Blog - On News/Press releases and everything else about Clergy and Sexual Abuse
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/
Snap - a organization for People who have been abused by members of Clergy - Loss and Recovery Site..
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
Great Job Deenie
, But question, isnt this all catholic priests?
Did I search it incorrectly or is their an option for different religious sects?
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 04:31:40 PM »
Quote from: Blink34 on April 25, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Blink
Klaas
sites:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/member/index.jsp
Omg this site you can look up any one person in CLERGY that has been associated with sex offenses by State or Name.........
Kathy Shaw's Blog - On News/Press releases and everything else about Clergy and Sexual Abuse
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/
Snap - a organization for People who have been abused by members of Clergy - Loss and Recovery Site..
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
Great Job Deenie
, But question, isnt this all catholic priests?
Did I search it incorrectly or is their an option for different religious sects?
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Blink I think the site is limited to catholic clergy...
the other link Deenie posted of the blog for Kathy S. seems to include more recent cases including ALL clergy. I was wondering about that too. We need a national registry of some kind for all predator-clergy!
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Northern Rose on April 25, 2009, 02:31:12 PM
Stream of horrific crimes takes toll on town cops
By JULIANA BARBASSA – 1 hour ago
TRACY, Calif. (AP) — Detective Nate Cogburn's last few months have been filled with the stuff of nightmares.
Neighbors charged with shackling and torturing a teenager in a Tracy home. A substitute teacher accused of molesting upward of 15 students. A surgeon arrested for the alleged sexual abuse of dozens of patients. And, most recently, a Sunday school teacher charged with kidnapping, raping and murdering 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, the playmate of her own little girl.
"I was just bombarded," said Cogburn, who grew up nearby and joined the Tracy police force after college.
"They always say don't take your cases home with you — they preach that every day from day one at the academy," said Cogburn, 28. "But I always take them home. They're with me all the time."
This San Francisco Bay-area suburb has nearly doubled in size since the mid-1990s, to 80,000 people.
It has been ranked one of the state's safest cities, but those recent major cases have taken a toll on its police officers.
"As the city grows, inevitably, the crime gets more complex, there will be more conflict ... and the police will get caught in the middle of that," said Joseph McNamara, a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution who was San Jose's police chief from 1976 to 1991.
Police were especially stressed by the disappearance and murder last month of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. The department's sworn officers and staff pulled 2,966 hours of overtime on that case alone.
And tougher than the intense work is the lull that follows, when the mask of professional composure comes down and doubts, sadness and anger come through, said Tracy police chaplain Dan Higgins.
"When they're able to focus on their jobs and do their part, they have an outlet," said Higgins. "The hard part comes later."
Cogburn worked 200 hours in two weeks in the search for Sandra and then for her killer. This meant little sleep, no breaks, a canceled second wedding anniversary weekend in Napa with his cancer-stricken wife, and less time with his 10-year-old stepson.
Sandra disappeared from her home in a mobile home park on March 27, and Cogburn got the call hours later, after he got back from the funeral of a Tracy resident who was one of four Oakland police officers gunned down after a traffic stop of a parolee.
He and other officers worked through the night, and into the next day — a 36 hours straight.
"By God, the difference between finding her alive or dead might be a few minutes, so we wouldn't leave, we wouldn't sleep at all," he said.
On April 6, farmworkers pulled a suitcase from an irrigation pond. Police Chief Janet Thiessen's voice broke as she announced that Cantu's body was inside.
It was a blow to the officers who had given their days and nights to the case and had seen their children in Cantu's brown eyes and long brown hair.
"That was the hard part," said Cogburn, choking up.
"It wasn't going to be the ending we were all praying for," he said. "All of a sudden, here it is. It's happening. The worst is happening right now."
As the town mourned, police officers worked harder.
"It was an utter letdown, but it was only momentary," said Capt. John Espinoza, 47, the incident commander. "It was quick: from loss, grieving, to 'we have to work through this, let's go.'"
Cogburn wrote about 20 search warrants that day. Investigators knocked on doors, searching homes in the mobile home complex and a nearby church — where 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby taught Sunday school and her grandfather preached.
Police later arrested Huckaby, who is jailed without bail awaiting trial on charges that could carry the death penalty.
Cogburn noted a January incident involving Huckaby and another missing child. A police report said that 7-year-old girl turned up but doctors found muscle relaxants in her bloodstream. No arrests were made.
Huckaby told KOVR-TV that she had taken the 7-year-old and her own 5-year-old daughter, who were playmates, to a park then brought the girl home.
At the time of that incident, Huckaby was just "an individual with a history of petty theft," Cogburn said.
The investigation of Sandra's disappearance and death absorbed resources that Tracy could ill afford. The town has a projected $3.5 million budget shortfall this fiscal year.
"The police chief said this was going to be a major effort of significant expense, and I said 'You do what you need to do.'" recalled City Manager Leon Churchill Jr.
The city has not calculated the total cost of the case, said Zane Johnston, finance director.
"Putting a price tag implies a value to the case, and no amount of money will bring this little girl back," said Johnston.
The city's thank you to officers came as a barbecue in front of city hall. Residents approached cops at coffee shops to tell them how much their work was appreciated. Sandra's aunt, Angie Chavez, thanked the dozens of officers who attended the little girl's memorial for their dedication.
Cogburn remains haunted by the case.
"I feel nothing in terms of a sense of relief or solace. I feel nothing but devastation. Nothing," he said. "It is a good thing that we've identified a suspect — a good thing for the investigation, for the D.A.'s office, for being able to close this case, hopefully for the family. But emotionally it's a vacuum."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g6ekIQFWk3_Wb6CfFSEzJHa7FsxgD97PK3PO0
The detective in charge of these crimes is 28 years old??? I am sure he may be good at what he does, but there is a big experience level missing there to me.
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Deenie
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 04:44:10 PM »
Quote from: Blink34 on April 25, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Blink
Klaas
sites:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/member/index.jsp
Omg this site you can look up any one person in CLERGY that has been associated with sex offenses by State or Name.........
Kathy Shaw's Blog - On News/Press releases and everything else about Clergy and Sexual Abuse
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/
Snap - a organization for People who have been abused by members of Clergy - Loss and Recovery Site..
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
Great Job Deenie
, But question, isnt this all catholic priests?
Did I search it incorrectly or is their an option for different religious sects?
B
Blink I just stumbled onto another Site that is of all Churches.
http://www.rickross.com/sg_alpha.html
You have to poke around ...
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lonemonkey
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 04:49:21 PM »
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: Blink34 on April 25, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Blink
Klaas
sites:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/member/index.jsp
Omg this site you can look up any one person in CLERGY that has been associated with sex offenses by State or Name.........
Kathy Shaw's Blog - On News/Press releases and everything else about Clergy and Sexual Abuse
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/
Snap - a organization for People who have been abused by members of Clergy - Loss and Recovery Site..
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
Great Job Deenie
, But question, isnt this all catholic priests?
Did I search it incorrectly or is their an option for different religious sects?
B
Blink I just stumbled onto another Site that is of all Churches.
http://www.rickross.com/sg_alpha.html
You have to poke around ...
Deenie...I DO believe you have done it!
You're
AWESOME
!!!!!
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Deenie
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 04:49:43 PM »
Blink this is the Link I meant to put up -
http://www.rickross.com/groups/clergy.html
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Deenie
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that's Gram Nekked ....thank u for the Monkey photo
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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BLINK
Baptist Clergy - gone WRONG -
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm
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Deenie
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 04:53:21 PM
BLINK
Baptist Clergy - gone WRONG -
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm
One More - All churches -
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/context/
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 05:06:27 PM »
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 04:53:21 PM
BLINK
Baptist Clergy - gone WRONG -
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm
New names to search out thanks to Deenie
Agnes C lawless
John W. Lawless
I will post more in a bit, but Sanchez just signed with the J E T S and my house is screaming and yelling, brb
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Deenie
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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I don't know about my Monkeys but seeing all these photo's and stories " cases" on Clergy who abuse ... makes me Naush..............
I never realized how prevalent this was before... seems to be endless accounts.
The one thing I did notice on the site that allows you to go by State or Name...Many of the "Accused" are either Dead or where abouts Unknown...
That and I noticed to that there is a lot of Nuns on that site .. I was looking in the State of Oregon and ... man their are a lot of Nuns .. gone a rye ..
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Deenie
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 25, 2009, 05:09:48 PM »
Quote from: Blink34 on April 25, 2009, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 04:53:21 PM
BLINK
Baptist Clergy - gone WRONG -
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm
New names to search out thanks to Deenie
Agnes C lawless
John W. Lawless
I will post more in a bit, but Sanchez just signed with the J E T S and my house is screaming and yelling, brb
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Yay Jets !... I will keep poking around Blink
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Blink34 on April 25, 2009, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: Deenie on April 25, 2009, 04:53:21 PM
BLINK
Baptist Clergy - gone WRONG -
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm
New names to search out thanks to Deenie
Agnes C lawless
John W. Lawless
I will post more in a bit, but Sanchez just signed with the J E T S and my house is screaming and yelling, brb
B
The Drift into Deception
By Agnes C. Lawless with John W. Lawless / Kregel Publications
Reflecting on their own experiences, Agnes and John Lawless identify eight common characteristics of Christian groups that begin with a biblical ministry but drift into heresy.
This book is available from Internet sources for various prices. It is also available--autographed if you like--from the authors for $12.00, which includes postage and handling. To order from John and Agnes Lawless, e-mail
DianaEsther@WoundedChristians.com
, and she will forward your request to them.
http://www.woundedchristians.com/Deceived.htm
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Tracygirl on April 25, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: Northern Rose on April 25, 2009, 02:31:12 PM
Stream of horrific crimes takes toll on town cops
By JULIANA BARBASSA – 1 hour ago
TRACY, Calif. (AP) — Detective Nate Cogburn's last few months have been filled with the stuff of nightmares.
<snipped for length>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g6ekIQFWk3_Wb6CfFSEzJHa7FsxgD97PK3PO0
Sorry but rant coming up!
You know I don't mean to sound mean or anything. I am sure Det Cogburn is haunted by this case given the fact his inability to look past the January case without bringing in personal opinions regarding the first girls mother. He simply brushed off evidence smacking him over the head and made a quick judgement call. MH was a girl with a Petey theft record and a record that would show she was in a court ordered mental health program as a part of her sentence.
He cannot go back and change this but one thing he can do, stop acting as the one and only opinion and do what the City of Tracy pays him to do, investigate thoroughly and properly and base his opinions on evidence. At 28 years old,he needs to grow up and face the fact we are in the real world even here in Tracy.
I agree TG, and no need to be sorry for a rant on this, perfectly understandable! IMO
Am angry as well! This article sends me over the edge. My first thought was that out of all the possible officers to be interviewed, they picked Cogburn.. why?? To soften the public image of him? Why would they do that? So the public won't come down on him so hard for the dumb asssssss error in judgement that he made back in January? Are we supposed to now feel sorry for him cuz of his wife 'stricken with cancer' and that fact that he supposedly works so hard he doesn't have time to spend with his stepson? Awwww. That said, tough shitake mushrooms!!
Nothing said in that article makes up for the fact that an innocent child was murdered and it likely would not have happened had Cogburn done his job back in January. If I were Sandra's mom I'd be trying to sue his ass for wrongful death. And if I were the mom of the January girl, I'd be trying to sue his ass for... for... I dunno what but I sure wouldn't let him get away with totally f'ing up my daughter's case and acting like it was no real problem. And then I'd start in on the entire Tracy PD. Might even try taking on the media for now trying to whitewash the whole January thing as if it didn't even matter! Cogburn is no saint, and how DARE they try to make the town think so!
I call BS on this whole article!!!!
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Serenity7 on April 24, 2009, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: klaasend on April 24, 2009, 06:13:08 PM
Ruling on a prosecutor’s motion, San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda L. Lofthus said the potentially inflammatory reports could jeopardize the case for both Huckaby
and prosecutors
. Lofthus cited the intense media interest while making the ruling.
Why on earth would you think they would show autopsy photos? I really don't understand your way of thinking.
It's actually been done before. I don't know what California's law is, but there has been some...I lack the knowledge of what the law might be called in that State, but Federally it is called the "Freedom of Information Act"... laws used in other cases and reporters have used these "Give us bloodhouds access" laws in order to force the state into revealing these kinds of photos. Then they get printed or published or posted on the internet.
And the Judge no doubt thought that placing photos of a girl with, perhaps,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
so that she can be stuffed into a suitcase, or the images of
xxxxxxxxxxxx
onto the autopsy table just MIGHT infuriate people so much that no matter what defense was offered the jury would be unwilling to even explore the possibilities...because they would be so offended by what had been done to the body.
From the prosecutions side, the judge probably doesn't want to have to show image after image of the aforementioned body being FURTHER mutilated through the actions of the medical examiner during the--highly necessary--examination. Some people still just have a gut reaction to seeing a person cut up, the skull cap removed etc...even if it is as a necessary part of the autopsy procedure. So in order to keep undue criticism from falling on the whole autopsy process, the judge might want the reports seals.
And finally...I think the judge is nicely human enough to not want the Cantu family to have to look at images of their daughter spalshed across the internet for the next 20 years.
But people seem determined to view this as the judge having made some comment about the evidence of the case. And I don't buy that. I think it's just the judge's very rational acknowledgment of the fact that dead bodies look ugly, and some of them, uglier than most, and that showing that to people in the jury pool is NOT going to make for rational legal decision making when it comes time for the selected jury to hear the case. Assuming it goes to trial.
EDIT ~ Graphic detail not necessary to make your point.
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Hi Monkeys and Welcome to all the new Monkeys!!!!
I've been try to catch up all afternoon and there is so much info, it is overwhelming.
I wanted to post a picture of one of the US Marshalls Top 15 but I don't know how so I'm putting the link here. He really does look alot like Lane Lawless IMO, and I wanted to see if anyone else would agree.
http://www.usmarshals.gov/investigations/most_wanted/creamer/creamer.htm
To me there is a striking resemblance and this guy has eluded the authorities since 1997.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Serenity7 on April 24, 2009, 11:14:30 PM
Quote from: klaasend on April 24, 2009, 06:13:08 PM
Ruling on a prosecutor’s motion, San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda L. Lofthus said the potentially inflammatory reports could jeopardize the case for both Huckaby
and prosecutors
. Lofthus cited the intense media interest while making the ruling.
Still a gag order and quite a bit of evidence not released to the defense under discovery either. Back to waiting.
Why on earth would you think they would show autopsy photos? I really don't understand your way of thinking.
Perhaps I misunderstood your observation. When I was referred to "a bit of evidence not released to the defense under discovery", I did NOT mean autopsy photos released to the public.
If instead you are asking me if I agree that autopsy photos should be provided to the defense. Then I'll state emphatically "yes", I think it is highly necessary that photos of the autopsy be provided to the defense.
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Agnes Lawless
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http://www.infibeam.com/Books/info/Harriet-Salathe/Keys-to-God-s-Heart-Unlocking-Leviticus/1414107447.html
"Agnes Lawless is a former teacher and published author or coauthor of several books. Besides writing, she currently edits for various publishers."
Keys to God's Heart: Unlocking Leviticus
By Salathe, Harriet (Author), Lawless, Agnes (Author)
Publisher: Pleasant Word
ISBN: 1414107447
EAN: 9781414107448
No. of Pages: 140
Deliverable Countries: This product ships to India, Sri Lanka.
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