Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Northern Rose]

The Herald Reporter - Sep 9 1976
Brewster Locals

Lane Lawless of San Jose, California was here last week visiting Esther Lawless.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qkMMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RWMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6443,1771919&dq=lane+lawless

[Tracygirl]

I wanted to say thank you to Wyks for joining me in my rant over the TPD. That article just got under my skin and nice to know I was not alone in my thinking.
It is posted on the Tracy press website. Everyone is falling over themselves with gratitude for the police department. Not me!
Anyway, thanks!

I don't know what happened earlier and what that person may have said. I hope everyone is in one piece and not too hurt or upset or whatever. The internet is crazy sometimes!

Good night all!

[Wyks]

I meant agree on red button and w/wyks. 

Yeppers.  It's been a crazy night.  Is there a full moon?  lol

Not yet Wyks.  I think we may need personal security harnesses for when the full moon does come based.

     

[Northern Rose]

Quad City Herlad - Oct 14 , 1982

Visits Here
Lane Lawless , Livermore California, visited last week in Brewster with Mrs. Esther Lawless.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=164MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4359,750752&dq=lane+lawless

He really likes moving around doesn't he.  I am so glad this local paper announces where he is coming from.

[Wyks]

The Herald Reporter - Sep 9 1976
Brewster Locals

Lane Lawless of San Jose, California was here last week visiting Esther Lawless.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qkMMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RWMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6443,1771919&dq=lane+lawless

Thanks for finding that, Northern Rose!  These old-timey news articles for small towns are interesting to read, so gossipy, yet infomative!  lol  And it gives us clues as to where he was and when.   
 

[Northern Rose]

I am heading to bed.  Nite all .

[Wyks]

I wanted to say thank you to Wyks for joining me in my rant over the TPD. That article just got under my skin and nice to know I was not alone in my thinking.
It is posted on the Tracy press website. Everyone is falling over themselves with gratitude for the police department. Not me!
Anyway, thanks!

I don't know what happened earlier and what that person may have said. I hope everyone is in one piece and not too hurt or upset or whatever. The internet is crazy sometimes!

Good night all!

You're welcome TG!  For those who are "falling over themselves" with gratitude, pffffffft.  Shows they aren't looking too clearly at the Tracy PD, and they need to open their eyes.  IMO. 

The nice thing about SM is that the kind of thing that happened earlier doesn't happen very often.   In other forums, OMG, things like that happen weekly, if not daily.   The majority of folks at SM just aren't like that, and our mods/admin keep a close eye out for anyone who decides to do such a thing.  We who have seen it happen, know what to do next time, ignore the post/s (report it to mods) and wait for the mods/admin to restore order.   

[Wyks]

Night Northern Rose!  Sweet dreams! 

I'm heading to the monkey bunkey as well.  G'nite monkeys and guests! 

[JazzTune]

Lots of new information here to digest.  Thanks so much to everyone for the news links.  A special thanks to all the Monkey researchers for their diligence.  Whew...all those pedophiles, cloaking their evil behind the doors of "religion."  Makes my skin crawl. Those lists of names that go on and on.  The scope of this horror.  Unbelievable.

I guess I'm showing my ignorance here about LE and the child porn business, but a couple of things I'm wondering about.  Okay, we already know that LE confiscated the computer from Melissa's grandfather's home.  I realize the contents are evidence and under the gag order, but how influential is the (potential) information in this case at this point?

If LE did find child porn on the computer, would that explain the further investigations we're reading about?  Yet, LE has said they believe Melissa acted alone.  If there was child porn though, (and if Sandra's death WAS the tip of the iceberg) how could they really say that?  Could that be just a "cover" to keep the pedophiles off guard while LE tries to unravel it all? 

However, if the child porn was there, Melissa's grandfather is certainly aware that LE knows it by now.  So wouldn't he be sending that information to all his cronies anyway?

Suppose there was nothing found on the computer, could he still be heavily involved in child porn?  Is there a way for it to be distributed big time without use of the Internet?  Can they still hide their involvement in other ways? 

I keep thinking some of this should be a slam-dunk.  If it's on his computer, he's toast.   Am I correct to believe that his computer is going to make or break him?

I appreciate any thoughts on this.  However, if it's already been addressed before this, I apologize.  I have missed a few other things already and have had to go back and recheck various posts.

(By the way, thank you, Cookie and k9ohana, for your kind words about my last post when I compared my then eight year old daughter to Sandra.  I appreciate it!  Sandra's death haunts me for so many reasons, on so many levels.  For her sake, we HAVE to obtain justice for Sandra...   

[JessStar]

Lots of new information here to digest.  Thanks so much to everyone for the news links.  A special thanks to all the Monkey researchers for their diligence.  Whew...all those pedophiles, cloaking their evil behind the doors of "religion."  Makes my skin crawl. Those lists of names that go on and on.  The scope of this horror.  Unbelievable.

I guess I'm showing my ignorance here about LE and the child porn business, but a couple of things I'm wondering about.  Okay, we already know that LE confiscated the computer from Melissa's grandfather's home.  I realize the contents are evidence and under the gag order, but how influential is the (potential) information in this case at this point?

If LE did find child porn on the computer, would that explain the further investigations we're reading about?  Yet, LE has said they believe Melissa acted alone.  If there was child porn though, (and if Sandra's death WAS the tip of the iceberg) how could they really say that?  Could that be just a "cover" to keep the pedophiles off guard while LE tries to unravel it all? 

However, if the child porn was there, Melissa's grandfather is certainly aware that LE knows it by now.  So wouldn't he be sending that information to all his cronies anyway?

Suppose there was nothing found on the computer, could he still be heavily involved in child porn?  Is there a way for it to be distributed big time without use of the Internet?  Can they still hide their involvement in other ways? 

I keep thinking some of this should be a slam-dunk.  If it's on his computer, he's toast.   Am I correct to believe that his computer is going to make or break him?

I appreciate any thoughts on this.  However, if it's already been addressed before this, I apologize.  I have missed a few other things already and have had to go back and recheck various posts.

(By the way, thank you, Cookie and k9ohana, for your kind words about my last post when I compared my then eight year old daughter to Sandra.  I appreciate it!  Sandra's death haunts me for so many reasons, on so many levels.  For her sake, we HAVE to obtain justice for Sandra...   

Good Morning!   Looks like yesterday was a pretty busy day!  Thanks to all for the informative posts, and to Klaas and the other mods that took care of business yesterday.  Nice job, and a sincere thank you for that.

JT, I'll try to take a crack at answering your questions.  I believe at this point that LE may not have any evidence that Sandra was a victim of child pornography on March 27th when the unthinkable happened to her.  Perhaps that was the ultimate intent--we just don't know.  But I think that if the link was there, i.e., they found media, then MH would have been charged.   So, as far as SANDRA goes, there's probably insufficient evidence at this point that she was a child porn victim ON MARCH 27th.  That's why LE keeps saying that MH acted alone with regard to this particular crime.

However, I strongly believe that, during the course of this investigation, LE uncovered a child porn ring.  I use "uncovered" loosely because, based on what I read, they've known about it for quite some time.  Sandra just ignited the fire and now LE can't bury their collective heads in the sand or look past the 60 ton elephant in the room any longer.  IMHO, all of the "Lawless" characters are involved.  I'm sure if LE found child porn on Lawless' computer, they found a lot of other things too--perhaps emails, or whatever others methods these demons use in their business, that can provide links to the cast of characters.  I took a CLE (continuing legal education seminar) about 6 months ago on computer forensic analysis.  In can't even begin to explain it, but it's absolutely amazing what these people can do.  And it's amazing what your computer tracks that you don't know about and, without special forensic tools, can't even access.  Suffice it to say that not only does the "delete" key not delete files from your computer, those "disk washing" programs don't eliminate the traces either.  It's there, and it's there for good.  The only way you can get rid of it is to physically destroy the media.

Simply put, the law will require the state to prove that Lane Lawless was in possession of child pornography. (Just one of many crimes he may ultimately face, but the one I'll use to make my point). It's a crime that requires proof of the intent to possess.  In other words, just because the images or what have you appear on his computer doesn't mean HE possessed them.  The problem (and it may not be a big one), is linking SOMEONE to what's on that Lawless computer.  There were several members of the Lawless household (Connie, Lane, MH and a host of others at some point) each of whom could have had access to that computer.  You can see where I'm going with that.  They may eventually be able to make the connection to one or more of them.  But that will take more digging, probably beyond the contents of his computer.  So, while on the one hand the his computer may "make or break" him (because that will provide the best evidence that a CRIME was committed (ie, the media itself)), whether it's a "slam dunk" depends on how strongly they can link HIM or SOMEONE to the media.  Let me say this--I felt a pit in my stomach when I read the post by Deenie or one of the other Monkeys about one of the other pastors making a post on Lawless' webpage that said something like "I enjoy your work."  I wonder what "work" he's referring to.  Sometimes those innocent sounding comments have a very sinister meaning.

Now, having said all that, let me make this observation, and I'm going to go out on a limb for a second and *gulp* defend the Tracy PD.  The FBI was very quick to swoop in when Sandra went missing.  That was very telling to me because there was no federal component to the "expected crime," nor to the crimes MH has been charged with, and there still isn't.  They are all crimes against the state.  So there had to be a Federal reason why the FBI swooped in the way it did--and based on what we all know now, child porn fits.  It's a federal crime.  I wouldn't doubt if the FBI has been driving the child porn investigation in Tracy for quite some time, and that the FBI directed the Tracy PD to "back off" so that it would not in any way hinder or hurt the investigation.  That's the extent of my defense--I still strongly feel that this crime could have been prevented if it had undertaken just a CURSORY investigation into the January drugging incident.

[JessStar]

Fellow Monkeys--humor me for a moment.  Let me know what you think of this.

A lot has come out about MH's past over the last week or so.  We now know pretty clearly that this individual was not the God-fearing, soft spoken, Sunday School teacher everyone thought she was.  On the contrary, the picture I get is one of a very disturbed individual who is quite vindictive.  For example, the arsons she has been connected with appear to be vindictive.  Vindication and revenge seem to explain her past actions and appear to be engrained in her character.

Therefore, I'm left wondering whether this was a crime of vindication.  In other words, is it a "sex crime" in the traditional sense (i.e., a crime committed to further one's prurient interests), or a vindictive crime that has a sexual component?  There are numerous reasons why MH would want to exact revenge.  It could be she was abused as a child.  Perhaps she was "acting out."  It could be that everyone was very fond of Sandra and she was jealous of that. There are a bunch of posts a few days back that discuss the mental aspects of one's past that can drive a person to commit a vengeful act like this. 

So, what do you think?  Am I off base here?

[JessStar]

Fellow Monkeys--humor me for a moment.  Let me know what you think of this.

A lot has come out about MH's past over the last week or so.  We now know pretty clearly that this individual was not the God-fearing, soft spoken, Sunday School teacher everyone thought she was.  On the contrary, the picture I get is one of a very disturbed individual who is quite vindictive.  For example, the arsons she has been connected with appear to be vindictive.  Vindication and revenge seem to explain her past actions and appear to be engrained in her character.

Therefore, I'm left wondering whether this was a crime of vindication.  In other words, is it a "sex crime" in the traditional sense (i.e., a crime committed to further one's prurient interests), or a vindictive crime that has a sexual component?  There are numerous reasons why MH would want to exact revenge.  It could be she was abused as a child.  Perhaps she was "acting out."  It could be that everyone was very fond of Sandra and she was jealous of that. There are a bunch of posts a few days back that discuss the mental aspects of one's past that can drive a person to commit a vengeful act like this. 

So, what do you think?  Am I off base here?

Oh, and just so I'm clear, I am NOT in ANY WAY defending MH's actions.  I'm just brainstorming and trying to make sense of a very, very twisted crime. Whether her motive was sexual, pecuniary, vengeance, whatever, she needs to pay. 

[Blink34]

Lots of new information here to digest.  Thanks so much to everyone for the news links.  A special thanks to all the Monkey researchers for their diligence.  Whew...all those pedophiles, cloaking their evil behind the doors of "religion."  Makes my skin crawl. Those lists of names that go on and on.  The scope of this horror.  Unbelievable.

I guess I'm showing my ignorance here about LE and the child porn business, but a couple of things I'm wondering about.  Okay, we already know that LE confiscated the computer from Melissa's grandfather's home.  I realize the contents are evidence and under the gag order, but how influential is the (potential) information in this case at this point?

If LE did find child porn on the computer, would that explain the further investigations we're reading about?  Yet, LE has said they believe Melissa acted alone.  If there was child porn though, (and if Sandra's death WAS the tip of the iceberg) how could they really say that?  Could that be just a "cover" to keep the pedophiles off guard while LE tries to unravel it all? 

However, if the child porn was there, Melissa's grandfather is certainly aware that LE knows it by now.  So wouldn't he be sending that information to all his cronies anyway?

Suppose there was nothing found on the computer, could he still be heavily involved in child porn?  Is there a way for it to be distributed big time without use of the Internet?  Can they still hide their involvement in other ways? 

I keep thinking some of this should be a slam-dunk.  If it's on his computer, he's toast.   Am I correct to believe that his computer is going to make or break him?

I appreciate any thoughts on this.  However, if it's already been addressed before this, I apologize.  I have missed a few other things already and have had to go back and recheck various posts.

(By the way, thank you, Cookie and k9ohana, for your kind words about my last post when I compared my then eight year old daughter to Sandra.  I appreciate it!  Sandra's death haunts me for so many reasons, on so many levels.  For her sake, we HAVE to obtain justice for Sandra...   

Good Morning!   Looks like yesterday was a pretty busy day!  Thanks to all for the informative posts, and to Klaas and the other mods that took care of business yesterday.  Nice job, and a sincere thank you for that.

JT, I'll try to take a crack at answering your questions.  I believe at this point that LE may not have any evidence that Sandra was a victim of child pornography on March 27th when the unthinkable happened to her.  Perhaps that was the ultimate intent--we just don't know.  But I think that if the link was there, i.e., they found media, then MH would have been charged.   So, as far as SANDRA goes, there's probably insufficient evidence at this point that she was a child porn victim ON MARCH 27th.  That's why LE keeps saying that MH acted alone with regard to this particular crime.

However, I strongly believe that, during the course of this investigation, LE uncovered a child porn ring.  I use "uncovered" loosely because, based on what I read, they've known about it for quite some time.  Sandra just ignited the fire and now LE can't bury their collective heads in the sand or look past the 60 ton elephant in the room any longer.  IMHO, all of the "Lawless" characters are involved.  I'm sure if LE found child porn on Lawless' computer, they found a lot of other things too--perhaps emails, or whatever others methods these demons use in their business, that can provide links to the cast of characters.  I took a CLE (continuing legal education seminar) about 6 months ago on computer forensic analysis.  In can't even begin to explain it, but it's absolutely amazing what these people can do.  And it's amazing what your computer tracks that you don't know about and, without special forensic tools, can't even access.  Suffice it to say that not only does the "delete" key not delete files from your computer, those "disk washing" programs don't eliminate the traces either.  It's there, and it's there for good.  The only way you can get rid of it is to physically destroy the media.

Simply put, the law will require the state to prove that Lane Lawless was in possession of child pornography. (Just one of many crimes he may ultimately face, but the one I'll use to make my point). It's a crime that requires proof of the intent to possess.  In other words, just because the images or what have you appear on his computer doesn't mean HE possessed them.  The problem (and it may not be a big one), is linking SOMEONE to what's on that Lawless computer.  There were several members of the Lawless household (Connie, Lane, MH and a host of others at some point) each of whom could have had access to that computer.  You can see where I'm going with that.  They may eventually be able to make the connection to one or more of them.  But that will take more digging, probably beyond the contents of his computer.  So, while on the one hand the his computer may "make or break" him (because that will provide the best evidence that a CRIME was committed (ie, the media itself)), whether it's a "slam dunk" depends on how strongly they can link HIM or SOMEONE to the media.  Let me say this--I felt a pit in my stomach when I read the post by Deenie or one of the other Monkeys about one of the other pastors making a post on Lawless' webpage that said something like "I enjoy your work."  I wonder what "work" he's referring to.  Sometimes those innocent sounding comments have a very sinister meaning.

Now, having said all that, let me make this observation, and I'm going to go out on a limb for a second and *gulp* defend the Tracy PD.  The FBI was very quick to swoop in when Sandra went missing.  That was very telling to me because there was no federal component to the "expected crime," nor to the crimes MH has been charged with, and there still isn't.  They are all crimes against the state.  So there had to be a Federal reason why the FBI swooped in the way it did--and based on what we all know now, child porn fits.  It's a federal crime.  I wouldn't doubt if the FBI has been driving the child porn investigation in Tracy for quite some time, and that the FBI directed the Tracy PD to "back off" so that it would not in any way hinder or hurt the investigation.  That's the extent of my defense--I still strongly feel that this crime could have been prevented if it had undertaken just a CURSORY investigation into the January drugging incident.

Morning Monkeys, awesome to be back on track, thanks Mods and Uber Mod Klaasend.

I am going to agree with Jess Post, but caveat by saying I do believe Tracy PD did not take the Jan 17th drugging seriously enough and judged the situation by the Mother in their opinion and that has turned out to be dead wrong. For me, that is the crux of the argument that Sandra's death was preventable. I'm never getting past that and there needs to be some serious protocol reform. I am not ready to villafy Det. Cogburn singly on the issue until there is more information on it, however.

By protocol, the FBI should be in asisst mode for a state case as this one. They are not. They are lead. The fact that they questioned the pastor in Clarkston cemented that for me. Even if the FBI were asissting simply for resource amp up, the detectives on Sandra's case would have made that trip. They did not.

I think at this point the gag order is the best option for the perps that may be on the fringe of this case, as much as I hate the lack of info. Child Porn investigations are highly complex, take time, and they will keep at it until they are reasonably sure they have everyone in the dragnet.

Lastly, I think Melissa is talking with the FBI and working on a deal; thus the continuance on her arraignment. I cant say if the porn ring or other is directly tied to Sandra's murder, but I feel pretty certain it is associated with her motivations.

Anyone find it odd that MH Mother and Pastor Lawless were not in court?   

[Blink34]

Fellow Monkeys--humor me for a moment.  Let me know what you think of this.

A lot has come out about MH's past over the last week or so.  We now know pretty clearly that this individual was not the God-fearing, soft spoken, Sunday School teacher everyone thought she was.  On the contrary, the picture I get is one of a very disturbed individual who is quite vindictive.  For example, the arsons she has been connected with appear to be vindictive.  Vindication and revenge seem to explain her past actions and appear to be engrained in her character.

Therefore, I'm left wondering whether this was a crime of vindication.  In other words, is it a "sex crime" in the traditional sense (i.e., a crime committed to further one's prurient interests), or a vindictive crime that has a sexual component?  There are numerous reasons why MH would want to exact revenge.  It could be she was abused as a child.  Perhaps she was "acting out."  It could be that everyone was very fond of Sandra and she was jealous of that. There are a bunch of posts a few days back that discuss the mental aspects of one's past that can drive a person to commit a vengeful act like this. 

So, what do you think?  Am I off base here?

For me, the earlier Jan drugging/alleged kidnapping makes me feel pretty strongly there is a sexual motivation vs. vindictive, although you may be right about that being a trigger for Huckaby for things done to her. I am seeing the emotional issues like y'all, but I think it's more. DD Gypsy posted "something wicked this way comes" and I am leaning in that direction, especially after researching some things I found yesterday after a link posted by Lone Monkey.
B

[klaasend]

The Herald Reporter - Sep 9 1976
Brewster Locals

Lane Lawless of San Jose, California was here last week visiting Esther Lawless.  Looks like he went to Brewster HS.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qkMMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RWMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6443,1771919&dq=lane+lawless

Yeah, found these the other day.

[Blink34]

This is a link for a Melissa Lawless'
Amazon.com wishlist...
Could be someone else but the choices are kind of interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-Lawless/wishlist/277RGJUX7YAAR/ref=cm_pdp_wish_all_itms

Lonemonkey, I note that on her wishlist is several cd's from the band Primus, or recordings with the lead singer Les Claypool.
In researching the banc Primus, I have found some of the seriously most disturbing "art" work dealing with the Occult and graphic sexual self-mutilation.

Disclaimer: Not suitable for children, are sexually and violentally graphic and please DO NOT post any of them here. I recommend if anyone other than you uses your computer you clear the cache, but no, not porn.

http://www.primusville.com/frames/fmutation.html

[klaasend]

From the 24th:



Melissa Huckaby's Arraignment Delayed Again in Sandra Cantu Case
Created by Brian Shields on 4/24/2009 8:54:20 PM


STOCKTON (KRON) -- Melissa Huckaby will return to a Stockton courtroom on Friday, May 22nd to possibly enter a plea to murder, kidnapping, and rape charges in connection with the death of Sandra Cantu.

KRON 4's Dan Kerman says the former Sunday School teacher wore a red jumpsuit and smiled at her attorney during Friday's short proceedings.

The San Joaquin County Public Defender's office is asking for further arraignment at a later date.  He's asking for more information from prosecutors about the evidence in the case.

Prosecutors say they've already turned over 500 pages of documents and video tapes as part of the discovery process.  They say it will take three-to-four weeks to release the rest of the information to the defense. Inside
Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus ruled that the results of the autopsy and other medical tests in the case will remain under seal.  She said there's a danger of public outrage if the scientific data were to be made public.  The judge says releasing the information would also be harmful to the Cantu family's privacy rights.  The defense is also formally withdrawing an earlier request for a second autopsy on Sandra's remains.

Dan says Huckaby showed no emotion during the proceedings.  There was also no visible or audible reaction from any of the family members of the victim or defendant in the courtroom.

A gag order in the case remains in place. 

[klaasend]

http://www.kron.com/

Poll

[klaasend]

Need to find out if there is any relationship between Huckaby and Huckabee.  Likely just a coincidence but we should check on it anyway:

[MuffyBee]

I meant agree on red button and w/wyks. 

Yeppers.  It's been a crazy night.  Is there a full moon?  lol

No full moon until May 9th.  I checked  a couple of days ago