Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Tracygirl]

Was there a connection found on clifford huckabee? Remember that was the name the reporter said some people remembered in Washington? They didn't know a Lane or clifford Lawless, but if his mom had the name Huckabee then maybe growing up he was associated with the name Clifford Huckabee?  My children and I have different last names and they are called my last name all of the time. Again, just a wild guess

[JessStar]

Ok, fellow monkeys, time for me to call it a night.  We'll be in touch tomorrow again I'm sure.  I have some things I want to try to hunt down, and I'll let you know my progress.  Great work everyone, and let's keep this ball rolling. 

JUSTICE FOR SANDRA!!!

[cookie]

Maybe you are not finding anything on Connie being a foster parent cause she is not a registered foster parent? maybe the person who said it, just said that she was a foster parent just because she perhaps took in children who needed a home to stay at in time of need? children from their church? dunno...

[Tracygirl]

Can anyone answer a question, is a foster care license a matter of public record? Where would you find that information?
I am not good at research sorry, I am trying though

I can't seem to identify the agency responsible for licensing foster care providers in California.  Typically it's done by the Secretary of State or DHHR, but I'm coming up empty.

Probably the department of social services or health and human services. I found a few things but I keep being led in a circle. I can't find public record information for foster care license or even if it is public record.

[Wyks]

Can anyone answer a question, is a foster care license a matter of public record? Where would you find that information?
I am not good at research sorry, I am trying though

I can't seem to identify the agency responsible for licensing foster care providers in California.  Typically it's done by the Secretary of State or DHHR, but I'm coming up empty.

I was looking too, the state site is just mind-boggling with all the possibilities.  Plus, is state foster care and county foster care seperate?  If they are seperate, guess we'd have to go to individual county info as well?   

Here's one link to one main menu for state foster care.  It surely is not an exhaustive list of different depts/programs.  But it's a start, I guess.

http://www.childsworld.ca.gov/PG1335.htm

[JessStar]

Was there a connection found on clifford huckabee? Remember that was the name the reporter said some people remembered in Washington? They didn't know a Lane or clifford Lawless, but if his mom had the name Huckabee then maybe growing up he was associated with the name Clifford Huckabee?  My children and I have different last names and they are called my last name all of the time. Again, just a wild guess

Tracygirl had to bait me. . .

I found this.  Not sure if it's connected though:

HUCKABY, CLIFFORD E Potential High RiskDeceased(DOB: 09/1936)(DOD: 11/07/2004)  (Age at Death:68)     
PO BOX 4332
BROOKINGS, OR 97415-0067
CURRY COUNTY
(06/2002-Current)    

6208 NE 17TH AVE APT 87
VANCOUVER, WA 98665-0388
CLARK COUNTY
(02/1996-02/1996)Potential Moderate Risk Skilled Nursing Care Facility

[JessStar]

Can anyone answer a question, is a foster care license a matter of public record? Where would you find that information?
I am not good at research sorry, I am trying though

I can't seem to identify the agency responsible for licensing foster care providers in California.  Typically it's done by the Secretary of State or DHHR, but I'm coming up empty.

I was looking too, the state site is just mind-boggling with all the possibilities.  Plus, is state foster care and county foster care seperate?  If they are seperate, guess we'd have to go to individual county info as well?   

Here's one link to one main menu for state foster care.  It surely is not an exhaustive list of different depts/programs.  But it's a start, I guess.

http://www.childsworld.ca.gov/PG1335.htm

I tried to find out the quick and dirty way--search for foster care facilities in Tracy.  According to the site, there aren't any.

[Tracygirl]

Was there a connection found on clifford huckabee? Remember that was the name the reporter said some people remembered in Washington? They didn't know a Lane or clifford Lawless, but if his mom had the name Huckabee then maybe growing up he was associated with the name Clifford Huckabee?  My children and I have different last names and they are called my last name all of the time. Again, just a wild guess

Tracygirl had to bait me. . .

I found this.  Not sure if it's connected though:

HUCKABY, CLIFFORD E Potential High RiskDeceased(DOB: 09/1936)(DOD: 11/07/2004)  (Age at Death:68)     
PO BOX 4332
BROOKINGS, OR 97415-0067
CURRY COUNTY
(06/2002-Current)    

6208 NE 17TH AVE APT 87
VANCOUVER, WA 98665-0388
CLARK COUNTY
(02/1996-02/1996)Potential Moderate Risk Skilled Nursing Care Facility

LOL sorry Jessstar. Try the spelling "Huckabee"

[lonemonkey]

Can anyone answer a question, is a foster care license a matter of public record? Where would you find that information?
I am not good at research sorry, I am trying though

I can't seem to identify the agency responsible for licensing foster care providers in California.  Typically it's done by the Secretary of State or DHHR, but I'm coming up empty.

This probably won't help but...
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/cdssweb/default.htm

[Northern Rose]

Another monkey posted this earlier:

Quad City Herald Jan 27, 1983
Obituary for Esther Luretta Lawless - step mom of Lane.

<snipped>
She was born on October 23, 1897, at Rome Wisconsin.  She married George Lawless on November 24, 1955, at Brewster.  She followed the fruit harvest during harvest seasons.

Mrs. Lawless was a member of Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church and the Altar Society.

Survivors include two stepsons, Paul Lawless, Beltsville, Maryland and Lane Lawless of Livermore, California; three grandchildren; and one great-granddaughter.  She was preceded in death by her husband, George, November 11, 1969.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5a4MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6532,1662523&dq=lane-lawless

Here is the info that goes with George - Lane's dad.

Re: Surnames: Brown, Putnam(Putman), Dicus, Dezellem
 carleelawless     (View posts)  Posted: 25 Jul 2003 7:46AM 

Classification: Query
Surnames: Dicus
My uncle, George Lawless, was married to Jessie Dicus and they had 2 sons and lived in Brewster WA. I have an address for Lane Lawless if you are interested in contacting him. I remember hearing as a child that George and Jessie divorced and she remarried a man known as "Lucky Louie". I also know that Lane used to come up from CA to Dicus family reunions and that he has a son that is interested in genealogy. Please respond if you would like his address.
Carlee Lawless
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.washington.counties.okanogan/310.1.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx



So Lane's Dad was George and his real mother was Jessie Dicus, stepmother Esther.

[Blink34]

Good Evening Monkey Friends.
I was on privleged mommy duty all day, but my stars, you have been busy and you will be shocked to see what has been going on in the comments section of blinkoncrime.com.

First- Rob, I saw your post on my way out the door, and was sad I did not have time to respond appropriately. I will, but wanted to acknowledge it, and tell you I am thrilled to see you weigh in on this case. I have followed your posts and your insight in facets of Sandra's case is most helpful.

What a busy bunch y'all have been. WOW.

I wouild like to give you a heads up at what has been going on over at BOC:

Phil Espinosa, listed as living at same residence as Timothy Lawless:

http://www.myspace.com/philthrill140

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/s.php?k=100000080&id=1356296112&sid=f11a8b427ee0c4ee6a8cba670e670a8d

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=phil+espinosa&k=100000020&init=q&sid=625835277208801e3cfb0cc70b356fab

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=Philip+Espinosa%3A+CSU+Fullerton+Orange+County%2C+CA&init=q&sid=8f4315c878205d6572587d70e7a5f4ff

*****

Check out this photo. There is a Tim Lawless and a Phil Espinosa listed as playing on this team, which appears to be located in Woodland, CA (near Sacramento?)

http://gaylemfgsoftball.com/default.aspx



Wife, Chona Lawless:

http://www.myspace.com/chonaisms101

I apolly if I got the link order wrong, however, should give us plenty.
B
 

[Tracygirl]

Another monkey posted this earlier:

Quad City Herald Jan 27, 1983
Obituary for Esther Luretta Lawless - step mom of Lane.

<snipped>
She was born on October 23, 1897, at Rome Wisconsin.  She married George Lawless on November 24, 1955, at Brewster.  She followed the fruit harvest during harvest seasons.

Mrs. Lawless was a member of Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church and the Altar Society.

Survivors include two stepsons, Paul Lawless, Beltsville, Maryland and Lane Lawless of Livermore, California; three grandchildren; and one great-granddaughter.  She was preceded in death by her husband, George, November 11, 1969.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5a4MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6532,1662523&dq=lane-lawless

Here is the info that goes with George - Lane's dad.

Re: Surnames: Brown, Putnam(Putman), Dicus, Dezellem
 carleelawless     (View posts)  Posted: 25 Jul 2003 7:46AM 

Classification: Query
Surnames: Dicus
My uncle, George Lawless, was married to Jessie Dicus and they had 2 sons and lived in Brewster WA. I have an address for Lane Lawless if you are interested in contacting him. I remember hearing as a child that George and Jessie divorced and she remarried a man known as "Lucky Louie". I also know that Lane used to come up from CA to Dicus family reunions and that he has a son that is interested in genealogy. Please respond if you would like his address.
Carlee Lawless
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.washington.counties.okanogan/310.1.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx



So Lane's Dad was George and his real mother was Jessie Dicus, stepmother Esther.

I wonder what "lucky louie's" last name was??? Dicus was her maiden name?

[MuffyBee]

[Wyks]

Another monkey posted this earlier:

Quad City Herald Jan 27, 1983
Obituary for Esther Luretta Lawless - step mom of Lane.

<snipped>
She was born on October 23, 1897, at Rome Wisconsin.  She married George Lawless on November 24, 1955, at Brewster.  She followed the fruit harvest during harvest seasons.

Mrs. Lawless was a member of Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church and the Altar Society.

Survivors include two stepsons, Paul Lawless, Beltsville, Maryland and Lane Lawless of Livermore, California; three grandchildren; and one great-granddaughter.  She was preceded in death by her husband, George, November 11, 1969.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5a4MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6532,1662523&dq=lane-lawless

Here is the info that goes with George - Lane's dad.

Re: Surnames: Brown, Putnam(Putman), Dicus, Dezellem
 carleelawless     (View posts)  Posted: 25 Jul 2003 7:46AM 

Classification: Query
Surnames: Dicus
My uncle, George Lawless, was married to Jessie Dicus and they had 2 sons and lived in Brewster WA. I have an address for Lane Lawless if you are interested in contacting him. I remember hearing as a child that George and Jessie divorced and she remarried a man known as "Lucky Louie". I also know that Lane used to come up from CA to Dicus family reunions and that he has a son that is interested in genealogy. Please respond if you would like his address.
Carlee Lawless
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.washington.counties.okanogan/310.1.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx



So Lane's Dad was George and his real mother was Jessie Dicus, stepmother Esther.

Yeehaw!  Thanks Northern Rose! 

[Wyks]

Ok, fellow monkeys, time for me to call it a night.  We'll be in touch tomorrow again I'm sure.  I have some things I want to try to hunt down, and I'll let you know my progress.  Great work everyone, and let's keep this ball rolling. 

JUSTICE FOR SANDRA!!!

Thanks so much for your help, JessStar!!  Sweet dreams! 

[Wyks]

Maybe you are not finding anything on Connie being a foster parent cause she is not a registered foster parent? maybe the person who said it, just said that she was a foster parent just because she perhaps took in children who needed a home to stay at in time of need? children from their church? dunno...

Those are sure things to take into consideration, Cookie! 

We're nowhere near that yet tho, we still are trying to figure out which place to start searching and haven't come up with an exact place yet.  Can't plug in any names til we find that first. 

[Tracygirl]

Good Evening Monkey Friends.
I was on privleged mommy duty all day, but my stars, you have been busy and you will be shocked to see what has been going on in the comments section of blinkoncrime.com.

First- Rob, I saw your post on my way out the door, and was sad I did not have time to respond appropriately. I will, but wanted to acknowledge it, and tell you I am thrilled to see you weigh in on this case. I have followed your posts and your insight in facets of Sandra's case is most helpful.

What a busy bunch y'all have been. WOW.

I wouild like to give you a heads up at what has been going on over at BOC:

Phil Espinosa, listed as living at same residence as Timothy Lawless:

http://www.myspace.com/philthrill140

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/s.php?k=100000080&id=1356296112&sid=f11a8b427ee0c4ee6a8cba670e670a8d

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=phil+espinosa&k=100000020&init=q&sid=625835277208801e3cfb0cc70b356fab

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=Philip+Espinosa%3A+CSU+Fullerton+Orange+County%2C+CA&init=q&sid=8f4315c878205d6572587d70e7a5f4ff

*****

Check out this photo. There is a Tim Lawless and a Phil Espinosa listed as playing on this team, which appears to be located in Woodland, CA (near Sacramento?)

http://gaylemfgsoftball.com/default.aspx



Wife, Chona Lawless:

http://www.myspace.com/chonaisms101

I apolly if I got the link order wrong, however, should give us plenty.
B
 

Blink do you have a photo of Phil Espenosa  you can post on here? I can't get into the facebook page and the myspace is too small too see.

[AZSunny]

Wyks I was so afraid to look because in doing all the research Sandra is very much in my mind and I think that is what scared me worst of all.  I can tell you though that the first thing I saw was not a face.  I am 54 myself and still I wa sshocked.  Anyway I think it is odd that it mentioned Maryland and earlier today someone I think it was Northern Rose or No Rose posted a news clipping that mentioned Pastor Lawless had a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  Isn't that odd.

Lonemonkey, I appreciate you posting the refresher on all the names.  I hadn't noticed the initials CLL were the same for both. Interesting...

Understandable, 4getUnot!  And yeah, it was a struggle to find an actual face in there.  lol 

It IS odd, the mention of Maryland.  Gosh, am almost afraid to go researching that.  Groan.... But there is a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  So guess will go check that out.  No time like the present.  Rolling up sleeves.......... Am going in.   

I suppose this could be his brother given the DOB, but he is apparently dead:

LAWLESS, PAUL GEORGE
LAWLESS, PAUL G
LAWLESS, PAUL
Potential High Risk--Deceased(DOB: 01/1927)(DOD: 03/26/1997) (Age at Death:70)    

4312 HAMILTON ST
HYATTSVILLE, MD 20781-1938
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(03/1997-Current)    

PO BOX 403
BELTSVILLE, MD 20704-0403
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(01/1983-01/1997)    

11509 NEVIS DR
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-3512
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(11/1996-11/1996)    

4625 QUIMBY AVE
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-1537
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY

Jess, what does this mean "potential high risk"?  Was he a risk at one time?  (prior to dieing! LOL)

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[AZSunny]

Wyks I was so afraid to look because in doing all the research Sandra is very much in my mind and I think that is what scared me worst of all.  I can tell you though that the first thing I saw was not a face.  I am 54 myself and still I wa sshocked.  Anyway I think it is odd that it mentioned Maryland and earlier today someone I think it was Northern Rose or No Rose posted a news clipping that mentioned Pastor Lawless had a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  Isn't that odd.

Lonemonkey, I appreciate you posting the refresher on all the names.  I hadn't noticed the initials CLL were the same for both. Interesting...

Understandable, 4getUnot!  And yeah, it was a struggle to find an actual face in there.  lol 

It IS odd, the mention of Maryland.  Gosh, am almost afraid to go researching that.  Groan.... But there is a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  So guess will go check that out.  No time like the present.  Rolling up sleeves.......... Am going in.   

I suppose this could be his brother given the DOB, but he is apparently dead:

LAWLESS, PAUL GEORGE
LAWLESS, PAUL G
LAWLESS, PAUL
Potential High Risk--Deceased(DOB: 01/1927)(DOD: 03/26/1997) (Age at Death:70)    

4312 HAMILTON ST
HYATTSVILLE, MD 20781-1938
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(03/1997-Current)    

PO BOX 403
BELTSVILLE, MD 20704-0403
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(01/1983-01/1997)    

11509 NEVIS DR
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-3512
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(11/1996-11/1996)    

4625 QUIMBY AVE
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-1537
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY

Jess, what does this mean "potential high risk"?  Was he a risk at one time?  (prior to dieing! LOL)

Never mind...saw the answer....should have scrolled further!