Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[N2WISHN]

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

[pink angel]

Am I the only one who still has the weird porn ring/cult type of feeling about this one?  I'm not sure if there's been anything new that I don't know about.  (I didn't see anything in this new thread, unless I just missed something!)

No you aren't the only one, several of us have shared and shared our feelings on that. 

I know that several of us have talked about it for a while, I just thought I was sensing a change of heart or direction at the beginning of this new thread since some of the focus was on a possible mental illness, etc.   Just a quick barometer check!

I hear ya Flossy!  As new info is released, we get to tweak our theories and include that info somehow.  The focus may be on understanding the new info at the moment, which maybe is why it feels different to you.  I still have the porn ring/cult thing as my topmost theory, and a possible mental illness and being on meds only adds into that theory.  IMO.  Am betting before this is over, we'll be finding out a lot that adds into it all. 

And yet, as others have said, *if* it's proven out that Melissa did this alone, or had a hand in it, no matter what info is added as time goes on, still doesn't IMO excuse her for whatever part she may have played in it. 

There are many folks everywhere who are dealing with some sort of issues from their past, on or off meds, who still manage to make the right choices in life, without bringing harm to anyone else.  Choices bring consequences, good or bad.  IMO. 
 

I do agree that if she did, in fact, act alone, there has to be something off.  Maybe it's wishful thinking, I don't know.  I guess I don't want to think that a woman who is mentally sound could do something like this.  Maybe I just don't want to admit that there is such evil.  Seeing her at the arraignment was definitely not the same feeling as when we see Casey at any court appearance.  I didn't get the feeling of looking at a monster like I do when Caseface is plastered all over the TV with that smug look on her mug.

I kept re-reading, thinking I had missed something but I guess her mental state was just being explored.  You brave peeps, you!

That picture of the horse drawn carriage just took my breath away.  Poor little angel.

flossy, there is such evil.

I think because it is so rare that it is a woman, a mother, a Sunday school teacher committing such evil...THAT is what makes it so hard to wrap our minds around.

If it could happen to Sandra, it could happen to any of our children by any of our children's own playmate's mother...THAT is what makes it so hard to wrap out minds around. (and so scary)

She's as evil as a David Westerfield.

All murders have something "off"  imo, that's what makes them murders and us NOT. I say this because most people have hard lives, some people struggle on a daily basis with their mental health, some have had abuse in their pasts but they are not out raping and murdering children. Perhaps the devil/evil gets a few and god gets the majority.




As an aside, I'd thought I'd end this post with a little happy O/T...
The Ocala Star-Banner reported Saturday that Mark Lunsford revealed in an interview this week that his girlfriend gave birth to a boy on Oct. 6, 2007.

[Deenie]

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

That's what I think .. This is SO Much Bigger than the Arrest of Melissa Huckaby - Thank You for posting that.

[fatcatlurker]

I'm just saying times are changing.  And I hear you Deenie but more and more we see women committing these same crimes that are typically done by men.

Teenage girls ganging up and beating lone victims is not funny to me, mothers more and more harming and killing their children. 

As we as women evolve in our lives so do our crimes.  JMO

[Izzy58]

Sorry...don't have time to go back and research all of the exact dates but here goes!!!!!!


* Johnny & Melissa divorce (we still don't know if he is the father of Madison)

* Johnny has supervised visits (1 hr a month)  .....correct me if I'm wrong

* Melissa files for Child Support .......

* Not sure if Johnny is still continuing visits with Madison

* Johnny moves from S California to Topeka Kansas........

* Johnny and Amanda file for marriage licenses in Dec 2006 and later wed

* March 20th 2008 Amanda gives birth to a baby girl ............

* One year and 7 days later Sandra Cantu goes missing (March 27th right?) 


So do you think the fact that knowing her ex husband has a new wife and now a new baby daughter who is now a year old and whom he lives with and plays with everyday but yet has no desire to see try and contact Madison.........could this of made her go off the deep end by taking her anger out on Sandra?

[Dolce]

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

I disagree.  We would still be looking for porn rings given that the information has come out about an unknown bunch within the area.

[Izzy58]

Sorry! Here's the birth record

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/032908/dai_262858644.shtml


Births
The Capital-Journal
Published Saturday, March 29, 2008

St. Francis

Gregory Huggins and Dora Mora, Topeka, girl, March 27.

Josh Hartman and Chantel Munoz, Topeka, boy, March 28.

David and Erica Gage, Topeka, boy, March 28.

Greg and Gina Sobba, Topeka, girl, March 28.

Mary Ferino, Topeka, boy, March 28.

Mr. and Mrs. Alex Greig, Topeka, girl, March 28.

Stormont-Vail

Johnny and Amanda Huckaby, Topeka, girl, March 20.

Justin Sterbenz and Jessica Gumm, Topeka, boy, March 26.

Kelly and Janelle Schuster, Topeka, boy, March 27.

Brian and Kora Flowers, Topeka, girl, March 27.

Ryan and Mary Ann Foxhoven, Topeka, boy, March 28.

[Dolce]

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

You're right, even my husband said to me, look you are looking for somekind of excuse for her, I kept saying no I'm not, maybe I am. I'm just trying to understand, I'm not excusing horrific behavior. But there is a double standard I guess going on  And in one of the articles posted a page or two back, it did say the deliberate murder.

I do not see a double standard I guess because never once did it cross my mind to think of a male suspect in the Caylee Anthony case.  At this point while I am shocked a woman has been arrested, I am not looking for a man to be behind it, I am looking for the ring that has been talked about and the numerous citizens within the area that are involved, for the sake of future children and current children.

[momoftwins]

Thank you for the pics, klaas.

Bless that little angel.

Thank goodness for kleenex. I am bawling like a baby.

I'm sitting here bawling like a baby.  I just feel sooo sad for her family.  I just can't understand how anyone can hurt innocent children.  There's no excuse!! PERIOD!!

[Dolce]

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou090219_mh_child_porn_woman.30e3447d.html

Tell me does this woman look like one who looks at child porn?  Shocked me!  You just never know.  It's there and its getting worse.

She does look awefully rough, but it could just be the mug shot.

[Dolce]

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

I respectfully disagree Fatcat.

If a man had done this I believe we would absolutely still be looking for porn rings, especially after the Tracy60 hit the news in Jan. I also still believe we would be trying to make as much sense of it as we are with Melissa. If the man were the father of a 5 year old girl, the statements would be how could a father do this instead of how could a mother do this.
No matter who committed the crime, male of female, this one is especially twisted and I believe we would all still be trying to wrap our minds around it.
I dont get the feeling that anyone is trying to let MH off easy or gain her sympathy at all. I feel everyone here is simply struggling to make sense of this incredibly senseless tragedy.

I think the sexual aspect is the hardest part to wrap ones mind around with the perp being a female.

I would also like to add that in my mind, MH has been found guilty already. This may not be fair however I am not an officer of the court there for I feel no remorse in drawing my own conclusions with someone who has confessed prior to trial.

I agree K9Ohana

[Maven]

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

I disagree.  We would still be looking for porn rings given that the information has come out about an unknown bunch within the area.

I think so too Dolce, we would still be looking for answers.

Klass thanks for posting that picture, it really did make me   
I was going to post it but didn't know if we could do that

[Izzy58]

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

That's what I think .. This is SO Much Bigger than the Arrest of Melissa Huckaby - Thank You for posting that.

I'm afraid to see what else comes out from this!  This is just so sickening and sad for the family of Sandra as if enough hasn't come out already.  And to think there may be more children out there that MH and/or her cohorts abused!

[fatcatlurker]

So Melissa still uses her ex's last name?  Didn't Blink say she talked to her?  I'll have to reread her article.

Sorry if I pO anyone, I'm just disgusted as are we all.

[Dolce]

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

That's what I think .. This is SO Much Bigger than the Arrest of Melissa Huckaby - Thank You for posting that.

I agree.  Also the information is probably not being disclosed given that it is a minor child who is the victim, are those records not sealed?

[no rose colored glasses]

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou090219_mh_child_porn_woman.30e3447d.html

Tell me does this woman look like one who looks at child porn?  Shocked me!  You just never know.  It's there and its getting worse.

That story turned my stomach. I just can not fathom that there are people in the world like this. My brain cannot do it.

No words 

[fatcatlurker]

http://fav.or.it/post/1332556

Local news station CBS 13 is reporting that they have confirmed with officials that Sandra Cantu's murderer is being investigated for drugging and molesting another child. The Tracy police would give no other information. There are also reports that today another parent came forward and accused Melissa Huckaby of being involved in child porn.

[no rose colored glasses]

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

Thanks, and now the unraveling of this will begin, at least I hope.

[Dolce]

Wow, on HLN they just spoke with a reporter in Tracy that said information on kiddy porn and an instance of a child under 10 being drugged by Melissa Huckaby has been turned over to the district attorney and is being investigated. The reporter said they have been trying to get this confirmation from LE for over a week and finally have heard there were reports made. He also said LE is being really tight lipped about this.

That's what I think .. This is SO Much Bigger than the Arrest of Melissa Huckaby - Thank You for posting that.

I'm afraid to see what else comes out from this!  This is just so sickening and sad for the family of Sandra as if enough hasn't come out already.  And to think there may be more children out there that MH and/or her cohorts abused!

While I am so very saddened for the loss of Sandra and her family, I am hopefull that she did not perish in vain, but rather has sparked a huge investigation into something that seems to have been kept under wraps and hush for a long time.  In her death she just may have saved thousands of other children from going through this same nightmare.  My prayers remain with her family.

[Dolce]

So Melissa still uses her ex's last name?  Didn't Blink say she talked to her?  I'll have to reread her article.

Sorry if I pO anyone, I'm just disgusted as are we all.

Its all good, I do not think you pissed anyone off, a difference of opinion does not warrant pissiness....if it did boy would my husband be living in a pit of fire!