Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[spring2]

When I was an investigator for An OnLine dialup server. I saw alot of this porn and of course my job was to manage and report the incidents that either I found or were reported to our TOS department.
I can tell you that as late as 95 the Dallas FBI did not have the capabilities to do a simple traceroute. I've been able to do that since the 80's. At the isp I worked for, we had to do the research, often we were the ones even notifying law enforcement. The FBI is woefully behind in technology no matter what they say. There are no secret tracers of porno not on a digital service. Period. No one can track a picture of whatever I may or may not have stuffed under my mattress.

Thankfully for my self awareness I never saw violence in the pics we caught, but I can tell you I saw many sad and lonely faces. Things that stick with you are not the "positions" or what have you, but are the eyes and faces.

It is sooooooo incredibly easy to find child porn on the net. Simply go to any large irc network and you'll find tens of chat rooms with torrents and most likely these idiots call their rooms things like "daddylovesbaby" and stupid shit. They are not hiding, they are just not being caught.
What we need is more vigilante online people tracking this. Any given time on any given day I can located child porn being traded. Look at the people trading in it..they are not smart.

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

I feel your anger, I agree with you all 60 people need to be arrested and named, I'm not grasping why they have not. I'm sorry that you read that article yesterday, I did too, I am aware of what is done to children actually following another case awhile ago. But I get very upset with what is being done to children as well as animals in these films, sometimes I just have to walk away from all of this, and get my attention away from all of this cruelty.

It is not only the 60 that are known in Tracy  that we must share a concern about, but how many others that are unknown, and probably throughout the US.  Once they start investigating and arresting the original 60, and the FBI may already be in this process now, I think a much bigger kettle of fish will emerge.  The impact of this is huge.  I also read that article yesterday, and I was sick to my stomach.  I can't believe anyone would be so cruel as to do something like that to a baby, or child, and then profit from that sick experience through video taping it.  It makes me aware of a part of our society that is so sick and perverted that the thought of those people around us in our neighborhoods unknown, just seems to heighten my awareness of everything and everyone around me.  God be with us and help us fight this monster.

I would love to bust them, but I know I can't handle seeing ANYTHING like that.  What would we have to do? 

[Deenie]

Janet
Have you noticed that on the guest book of the Clover Road church
there is many guests that are from Canada that seem to be in Clergy.
I wanted to copy and paste for you ... looks like they shut down the site..linked to the church.
Maybe its my computer ..I don't know.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet
Have you noticed that on the guest book of the Clover Road church
there is many guests that are from Canada that seem to be in Clergy.
I wanted to copy and paste for you ... looks like they shut down the site..linked to the church.
Maybe its my computer ..I don't know.

I can't access the website either.

Considering the roots of Sandra's father originate in Mexico ... maybe her mother has a Canadian background.  Canada ... God's country.

 

Interesting observation Deenie.

Janet

[Deenie]

 
snipped http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?hash=comments_2261962&page_label=home&id=2261962&article-Town%20mourns%20its%20lost%20child%20as%20police%20look%20for%20clues%20=&widget=push&open=&#comments_2261962
Lawless, a pastor of the church since 1981, has no criminal history and no civil lawsuits against him in San Joaquin County, court records show. The only property he owns in San Joaquin County is his mobile home. But the Clover Road Baptist Church seems as physically isolated from the rest of the city, one of the last buildings on a dead-end street, as it seems culturally set apart from other churches in town.
Several Tracy pastors said they don’t know that much about Lawless; he doesn’t join the 15 or 20 other pastors in town for Thursday prayer breakfasts.
Tim Heinrich of the Crossroads Baptist Church said Lawless declines to network with fellow pastors in town. Other pastors said the church has few events and focuses on church history because it disagrees with some of the tenets of others churches.
No one in the neighborhood surrounding Orchard Estates said they attend the Baptist church — surrounded now by yellow crime-scene tape. About a dozen neighbors said they don’t know anyone who does and that it has a tiny congregation.
Folks from a Jehovah’s Witness church across the street from Clover Road Baptist said they've never talked to anyone from the congregation. Pastors, members and elders of a handful of other churches in northern Tracy said the same thing.

The tragic close to a 10-day search wielded a devastating blow for a town that has seen news that some of its residents are accusing of kidnapping and torture, that a teacher and softball coach allegedly downloaded child pornography and that a plastic surgeon is accused of molesting upward of 30 patients.

[klaasend]

Janet
Have you noticed that on the guest book of the Clover Road church
there is many guests that are from Canada that seem to be in Clergy.
I wanted to copy and paste for you ... looks like they shut down the site..linked to the church.
Maybe its my computer ..I don't know.

Not your computer, the Clover Road Baptist Church website is basically shut down.  Looks like whoever admins the website as removed everything but one bible verse.

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/

[Tamikosmom]

Janet
Have you noticed that on the guest book of the Clover Road church
there is many guests that are from Canada that seem to be in Clergy.
I wanted to copy and paste for you ... looks like they shut down the site..linked to the church.
Maybe its my computer ..I don't know.

I can't access the website either.

Considering the roots of Sandra's father originate in Mexico ... maybe her mother has a Canadian background.  Canada ... God's country.

 

Interesting observation Deenie.

Janet

Deenie ... I never read your post carefully.  I thought you were referring the following link regarding Sandra's memorial ... a link that cannot be accessed.

Janet

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Amber Alert announces Cantu memorial fund
ShareThis
Bee Staff
Published: Wednesday, Apr. 15, 2009 - 3:24 pm

A memorial fund for Sandra Cantu, the Tracy girl who was kidnapped and killed, has been established by the Amber Alert Foundation in conjunction with Amber Alert GPS and Smart/i/tag. Donations can be dropped off at Umpqua Bank branches or mailed. Contributions should be made payable to: Sandra Cantu Memorial Fund, Account No. 991648908, Umpqua Bank, P.O.Box 1820, Roseburg, Ore., 94740.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1783412.html

[FishstickKitty]

Find it, document it and report it.
That's really all we can do.
Even when I left the isp, I still everyone once in a while would hunt a bit and find something and document it, then report it. I called the local FBI which at the time was in Dallas.

Since I was no longer in the loop of the isp, I never found out what happened.

It's a sticky situation now though with homeland security. I am fearful of finding it, capturing it and sending it to the fbi..because now I'm just a civilian person and I would have to have it at least temporarily on my machine to forward it. Which I absolutely do not want.

Mostly now it's torrents and traded from machine (server whatever) to machine. Which in my mind is MORE prosecutable..since it's not on an offshore server, it's on YOUR machine.
Lots of sites (torrent sites with web front ends) are hosting it but since it's not actually a place, instead it's like a collection of machines all over the world....whoever at any given time sets up their machine to serve...it's hard to legally tell them what to do. I know PirateBay is hosted off shore but they are not the hosters of any porn....it's whoever (in whatever country) who is serving up the pics or videos or whatever. And I don't know how internet saavy you are but it's not just one machine, it's thousands, possibly a million. It's like a mini internet inside the internet. Sort of
I'm not good at teaching.

Sites that we saw back in the day were located offshore (alot of gambling sites are not just for gambling) and they would be up for 2 days then disappear. So by the time the FBI gets a tip, investigates it, the site is gone. That's why documenting is important.

I'm no expert so there may be other more viable ways you can help but all I can do is all I can do ya know.

ADMIN NOTE:  I would not suggest any member of Scared Monkeys find and document child porn even if it's for honorable reasons.  I wouldn't want child porn on my computer for any reason.  I think that is something best left up to the professionals that are hunting these people. 

[no rose colored glasses]

Janet
Have you noticed that on the guest book of the Clover Road church
there is many guests that are from Canada that seem to be in Clergy.
I wanted to copy and paste for you ... looks like they shut down the site..linked to the church.
Maybe its my computer ..I don't know.

Not your computer, the Clover Road Baptist Church website is basically shut down.  Looks like whoever admins the website as removed everything but one bible verse.

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/

Well, isn't that interesting.

[Anna]

I don't believe it is advisable to ever download or have links to child pornography on your PC for any reason, not even the best of reporting it.

You could be subject to being charged yourself.

[fatcatlurker]

Good morning everyone. What a long day yesterday was. I have to admit that I had no idea child porn was so violent. When I read in that article the woman was arrested for having porn that contained infants being raped, screaming for their moms, well that took me completely by surprise and knocked me to the floor. I cannot handle that thought, not even a little. Is this what these movies are about? Ok stupid naive me believed they put the kids night-night and took posed pictures, not that, that is better but not as cruel I suppose. I absolutely, not even for a moment, believed the children are awake. Oh god that is so beyond anything that is even close to normal. To think I have 60 people in my town who are into this sort of thing, wth? Who are these people? I want to know so I can protect my children!

Yes the dear Sgt seems like a very nice man, but let me add this. This police force has known about this crime and they know  who these people are yet allow them to live among innocent children. The softball coach was arrested because a detective said he was around kids, well they all are for goodness sakes. In this town we have 10's of thousands of children living here. This police force will earn my respect and my appreciation when all 60 people are arrested and named. One child has been killed, enough already, enough!

TG - Hello!  Yes it's not pleasant at all and I think everyone needs to take the rose colored glasses off and see exactly what this stuff is about and get these guys.  It's time to stop making excuses for this sickness these people do commit crimes and it typically takes a long time for them to get caught.

On another note I've been searching all over for your Tracy 60 and I am beginning to wonder if they are perhaps part of the Global Internet ring that was busted back prior to Dec08?  I know you have brought an article forward from I believe the Tracy Press is that the only article you are aware of?  You can also go to this site to see who has currently been busted and in what state for these crimes.  http://www.projectsafechildhood.gov/pr2008.htm#dec  It's been placed under the Dept of Justice called Project Safe.  It's good to see atleast 4-5 getting busted a month...finally.  We all wish it were just pic's but it's not it's far worse than anyone can imagine and as Rob said these children do not typically make it thru.  Here is an article regarding this from my state  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/29/state-eyes-end-to-safe-haven-for-child-porn/  ok sorry to blab on about it really just wanted to ask about the tracy 60.

[Edward]

MANTECA, Calif. —  Melissa Huckaby, the Tracy woman accused of kidnapping, raping and murdering a neighbor girl, has been described as a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

A woman with the same name who lives 14 miles away is also a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

The improbable similarities have created inevitable confusion.

Click here for photos

News crews keep calling or approaching Melissa Huckaby of Manteca looking for the woman accused of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. And so many people posted threatening messages on her MySpace page that the misidentified Huckaby says she canceled her account.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516628,00.html

[Deenie]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/cGzpNLYOLMg&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/cGzpNLYOLMg&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1</a>

Video of Connie Lawless and Pastor Lawless at a Annual Association ..gig
The church that this was at is Aisal Baptist Church in Salinas

http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/ministries.php

this is the link about the Pastor - Elder A.D. Harris =his bio - Now it says that he took over from where A.A. Harris died in 1989.
 A.A. Harris is Connie Lawless's Father - so A.D. Harris is related somehow
http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/pastor.php

The Man speaking on behalf of the Lawless family - His last name is Hughes - and that is the last name of daughter Joni ..  " all in the family" I think ..

[k9ohana]

MANTECA, Calif. —  Melissa Huckaby, the Tracy woman accused of kidnapping, raping and murdering a neighbor girl, has been described as a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

A woman with the same name who lives 14 miles away is also a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

The improbable similarities have created inevitable confusion.

Click here for photos

News crews keep calling or approaching Melissa Huckaby of Manteca looking for the woman accused of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. And so many people posted threatening messages on her MySpace page that the misidentified Huckaby says she canceled her account.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516628,00.html

That poor woman.

[no rose colored glasses]

fatcatlurker, thanks for those links.

[Monkey with Class]

MANTECA, Calif. —  Melissa Huckaby, the Tracy woman accused of kidnapping, raping and murdering a neighbor girl, has been described as a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

A woman with the same name who lives 14 miles away is also a 28-year-old Sunday school teacher and single mother of a 5-year-old.

The improbable similarities have created inevitable confusion.

Click here for photos

News crews keep calling or approaching Melissa Huckaby of Manteca looking for the woman accused of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. And so many people posted threatening messages on her MySpace page that the misidentified Huckaby says she canceled her account.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516628,00.html

I see.......Another defamation of character case in the future here.

[fatcatlurker]

yes yes and yes...the only and best thing you can do is write your state delagates, senators and beat on them to get rid of the junk and haul these guys to prison.  In my world a few public hangings would be sufficent but that's just a evil dream I have.  So just write write write and bug the crap out of them.  It's interesting the form letters I get back as tho they took the time to sit down and write to me all year long.  I used to save them....ha ha.  This writing does work believe it or not and as we are on the computer alot it's not a big deal. 

[Deenie]

I think my monkey brain just snapped
go back to the Church - Aisal Baptist in Salinas
http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/missions.php
They have a Missionary listed
MISSIONARY TO THE PHILIPPINES
Missionary:    Elder Brent Spears
Sponsoring Church:    Bryan Station Baptist Church
Contact Address:    Blk. 29 Lot 12 Area "S"
Maharlika St., Queens Row Subd.,
Molino, Bacoor, Cavite
This is the Link - http://www.bryanstation.com/missionary_reports1.htm
They have a Pastor Cantu and he is in Mexico - he is named as one of the principal who offer missionary reports month to month -
2009 Mar    Spears  Zuhars  Quetua  Cantu 
Enrique Cantú
Missionary to Mexico
Calle Teonacaztle # 2102
Esquina con Teocaltiche
Fracc. Teocaltiche
Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas Mexico C.P. 87024
Telephone: (011 52) 834-340-5817
Its probably a fluke - but Man is that a kicker or what ..
http://www.bryanstation.com/organized.htm
this link above shows all the Churches that represent Bryan Station - Churches from every corner of the World in this " group".

[fatcatlurker]

what bothers me about Pastor Lawless is all his aliases.  I mean why does one need so many I've made it almost 40 yrs with only 2 he has like 6? I think.  Sounds like somebody trying to hide something to me.

Anybody else still getting bumped out of SM site?  I am.

[spring2]

Find it, document it and report it.
That's really all we can do.
Even when I left the isp, I still everyone once in a while would hunt a bit and find something and document it, then report it. I called the local FBI which at the time was in Dallas.

Since I was no longer in the loop of the isp, I never found out what happened.

It's a sticky situation now though with homeland security. I am fearful of finding it, capturing it and sending it to the fbi..because now I'm just a civilian person and I would have to have it at least temporarily on my machine to forward it. Which I absolutely do not want.

Mostly now it's torrents and traded from machine (server whatever) to machine. Which in my mind is MORE prosecutable..since it's not on an offshore server, it's on YOUR machine.
Lots of sites (torrent sites with web front ends) are hosting it but since it's not actually a place, instead it's like a collection of machines all over the world....whoever at any given time sets up their machine to serve...it's hard to legally tell them what to do. I know PirateBay is hosted off shore but they are not the hosters of any porn....it's whoever (in whatever country) who is serving up the pics or videos or whatever. And I don't know how internet saavy you are but it's not just one machine, it's thousands, possibly a million. It's like a mini internet inside the internet. Sort of
I'm not good at teaching.

Sites that we saw back in the day were located offshore (alot of gambling sites are not just for gambling) and they would be up for 2 days then disappear. So by the time the FBI gets a tip, investigates it, the site is gone. That's why documenting is important.

I'm no expert so there may be other more viable ways you can help but all I can do is all I can do ya know.

OMG when you were saying that, I was thinking, I DON'T want that on MY puter!  It's bad enough all the stuff we research as far as these true crime cases.  I have done court reporting work where I have had to look up spellings and stuff.  LE would think I have done everything under the sun if they searched my puter! 

Let me ask you a question.  I have done crime cases against children.  One time the acronym NAMBLA was used.  I looked it up at that point because I didn't know what it was, but I have never looked since.  How is something like that not shut down IMMEDIATELY???  (it may be shut down now, I just haven't looked)

[spring2]

what bothers me about Pastor Lawless is all his aliases.  I mean why does one need so many I've made it almost 40 yrs with only 2 he has like 6? I think.  Sounds like somebody trying to hide something to me.

Anybody else still getting bumped out of SM site?  I am.

I am too.