Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Wyks]

Serenity, I found your reading to be very interesting!  Thank you for sharing your info with us.  I'm glad you joined! 

Have seen your reading before, someone recently shared it with us, and sev. parts of it sure do seem to be spot on with what LE then reported. 

This part caught my attention, and I wonder if you see the coincidence:

"Maybe the name Traynor or Tailor or something similar might have something to do with the road, street, or name of the school or company that use to be the building."

It seems a coincidence to me, because in the Haleigh Cummings case, the father of Haleigh has a good friend with the last name Traylor.  Wondering if perhaps part of what you were sensing at the time of that reading, had to do with this other case as well? 

The part you've spoken of about the movie night at a church, and Sandra wanting to go see a movie, is very interesting.  Would be curious to know if Melissa had offered to take Sandra to that movie night, as a way of luring her out of the mobile home park.  ?? 
 

[JazzTune]

So the report now is Melissa swallowed X-Acto knives, huh?  Whew - sounds painful.  We've not had anyone on our unit swallow an open knife like that.  As I said earlier, we had a woman swallow a (snap-on) razor cartridge with the razor recessed.  Caused no problems at all.  The X-Acto knives sound much worse.  Can't imagine they could have "passed" through on their own.  Does seem surgery would have been needed.

I just read here too that she has been on medication.  Don't know if they mean long-term, as in months, or just recently, to help her with all she's going through right now.  Psychotropics covers a lot of ground.  Could be any of a large classification.  Many of them do cause weight gain though, so if she has been taking them for months, then that could possibly explain the weight changes we see in the different photos.

By the way, thanks to AZSunny for bringing my last post (about the effects of drugs) over here.  Not that I'm an expert, don't mean to try to come across that way.  I'm hoping though that reporting my observations can clarify a few things I've learned from my work experience. 

As for Melissa possibly copping an insanity defense, I seriously doubt it would work!  "Snapping" is not a common event, no matter what people might say or think.  We DO have psychotic people on our unit all the time, but they have not been normal one minute, and then psychotic the next.  Doesn't happen that way.  Usually it's a gradual deterioration in functioning.  Even when it's obvious that the person is not in contact with reality, I can't imagine them killing someone, and then snapping back to normal.  That would not be anything I'd call realistic at all.

Also I read that LE is asking any other children who have been abused by Melissa to come forward.  If even ONE single child does, then that eliminates any insanity defense then and there.  You don't go insane to abuse, molest, and kill... AND then become SANE and go back to your normal life. 

Even hearing of this as a possible defense makes me angry!  It gives my genuinely psychotic patients a bad name.  Most of them are only a danger to themselves, and only because they can't take care of themselves properly.  They can't react appropriately to real dangers.

Another thing about people who are on drugs.  The hard-core kind.  As long as they are actively using them, they seem incapable of telling the truth.  Lying is second-nature.  Getting the truth from them about anything is almost near impossible.  Nature of the beast which is created by drugs.

Again, I want to qualify all of my statements.  These are my opinions, based on my experiences.  They are mere speculation.  I know nothing more about Melissa than what I've read or seen on the videos.  It may turn out that everything I'm saying and thinking is completely wrong about her.  So be it. 

All that matters now is protection of our children and... justice for Sandra.

[FishstickKitty]

You can smell the not guilty by reason of insanity in the air!

[pink angel]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

If I were LE in this case, the line of children from the MHP would be forming to the right, in the offices of those trained in questioning children.  This would be in the best interest of those children, and pfffffffft on the cost of doing that.  Wouldn't put this on parents or leave it up to them to 'gently question' their own children.  We've seen in other cases how easy that kind of questioning can get out of hand, depending on how the parent/caretaker asks those questions. 

I agree.  It gives MH the defense of suggestion for those other children.

I agree with you both.


Meanwhile, Tracy police are searching for any other possible victims of Huckaby, who served as a Sunday school teacher at Clover Road Baptist Church.

Any parent who suspects their children may have had "inappropriate contact" with Huckaby are being asked to contact authorities, Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

[no rose colored glasses]

So the report now is Melissa swallowed X-Acto knives, huh?  Whew - sounds painful.  We've not had anyone on our unit swallow an open knife like that.  As I said earlier, we had a woman swallow a (snap-on) razor cartridge with the razor recessed.  Caused no problems at all.  The X-Acto knives sound much worse.  Can't imagine they could have "passed" through on their own.  Does seem surgery would have been needed.

I just read here too that she has been on medication.  Don't know if they mean long-term, as in months, or just recently, to help her with all she's going through right now.  Psychotropics covers a lot of ground.  Could be any of a large classification.  Many of them do cause weight gain though, so if she has been taking them for months, then that could possibly explain the weight changes we see in the different photos.

By the way, thanks to AZSunny for bringing my last post (about the effects of drugs) over here.  Not that I'm an expert, don't mean to try to come across that way.  I'm hoping though that reporting my observations can clarify a few things I've learned from my work experience. 

As for Melissa possibly copping an insanity defense, I seriously doubt it would work!  "Snapping" is not a common event, no matter what people might say or think.  We DO have psychotic people on our unit all the time, but they have not been normal one minute, and then psychotic the next.  Doesn't happen that way.  Usually it's a gradual deterioration in functioning.  Even when it's obvious that the person is not in contact with reality, I can't imagine them killing someone, and then snapping back to normal.  That would not be anything I'd call realistic at all.

Also I read that LE is asking any other children who have been abused by Melissa to come forward.  If even ONE single child does, then that eliminates any insanity defense then and there.  You don't go insane to abuse, molest, and kill... AND then become SANE and go back to your normal life. 

Even hearing of this as a possible defense makes me angry!  It gives my genuinely psychotic patients a bad name.  Most of them are only a danger to themselves, and only because they can't take care of themselves properly.  They can't react appropriately to real dangers.

Another thing about people who are on drugs.  The hard-core kind.  As long as they are actively using them, they seem incapable of telling the truth.  Lying is second-nature.  Getting the truth from them about anything is almost near impossible.  Nature of the beast which is created by drugs.

Again, I want to qualify all of my statements.  These are my opinions, based on my experiences.  They are mere speculation.  I know nothing more about Melissa than what I've read or seen on the videos.  It may turn out that everything I'm saying and thinking is completely wrong about her.  So be it. 

All that matters now is protection of our children and... justice for Sandra.

Thank-you, I very much appreciate your insight and experience. I am just trying to make some sense of this, but sadly there really isn't any sense.

[pink angel]

You can smell the not guilty by reason of insanity in the air!

There is no way. They might be able to use her mental conditions and her meds (or lack thereof) as mitigating circumstances in sentencing but she will not be found to be insane.

The cover-up itself, screws that.

[no rose colored glasses]

The Sgt. is on Fox asking any other parent's whose children may have had contact with Melissa to gently question their children and they are asking any victims to please come forward.

He also said that if they believed anyone else was involved with this crime...either before, during or after the fact, they would have been re-miss not to take them into that custody at that time. Melissa acted alone in this act.

If I were LE in this case, the line of children from the MHP would be forming to the right, in the offices of those trained in questioning children.  This would be in the best interest of those children, and pfffffffft on the cost of doing that.  Wouldn't put this on parents or leave it up to them to 'gently question' their own children.  We've seen in other cases how easy that kind of questioning can get out of hand, depending on how the parent/caretaker asks those questions. 

I agree.  It gives MH the defense of suggestion for those other children.

I agree with you both.


Meanwhile, Tracy police are searching for any other possible victims of Huckaby, who served as a Sunday school teacher at Clover Road Baptist Church.

Any parent who suspects their children may have had "inappropriate contact" with Huckaby are being asked to contact authorities, Sgt. Tony Sheneman said.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

I'm wondering if she told LE about other victims? Or LE now believes she has done things to other children as well, maybe they have info from her own daughter? Maybe now, months later they are seriously looking at the questioning that went on with Melissa and drugging of a child.

[fatcatlurker]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/04/14/2009-04-14_death_penalty_considered_for_suspec.html

Huckaby is charged with one count of murder that includes tacked-on "special circumstances" for kidnapping, lewd conduct with a child and rape by a foreign object. The "special circumstances" means prosecutors could seek the death penalty.

If they don't, Huckaby faces life without parole if convicted. Prosecutors did not offer a motive for the shocking crime.

"You could do an entire psychological seminar, write a thesis or spend your entire life trying to figure out a motive here," a source close to the case said, calling it "pointless" to search for an excuse for such sickening behavior.


From me - FCL.
We are not the only ones baffled, PO, and concerned about this.  And if the autopsy comes back with suffocation for the COD that will be the nail on the head for me. We do need to know the motive for this crime so that it can be studied.  To make light of this is a joke when we see it more and more everyday.  So I know some will disagree but for now I will call it what it is ... a sex crime.  JMO

[FishstickKitty]

From me - FCL.
We are not the only ones baffled, PO, and concerned about this.  And if the autopsy comes back with suffocation for the COD that will be the nail on the head for me. We do need to know the motive for this crime so that it can be studied.  To make light of this is a joke when we see it more and more everyday.  So I know some will disagree but for now I will call it what it is ... a sex crime.  JMO

I would bet massive money on her being abused and molested. I can't think of one serial killer that wasn't, one murder spree  (er?) that wasn't.
Definitely not an excuse but an added reason to the psychopathy of this nutbag.

This case gets more horrifying every day. Last night I was going to check up on the news and I had to just stop. Stuff like this can encompass you and overwhelm you even if you aren't directly involved. I did my stint (see my previous posts) and left that world behind.  I can tell you I never ran across a woman uploading or downloading any pornography depicting or using children.

[Serenity7]

Serenity, I found your reading to be very interesting!  Thank you for sharing your info with us.  I'm glad you joined! 

Have seen your reading before, someone recently shared it with us, and sev. parts of it sure do seem to be spot on with what LE then reported. 

This part caught my attention, and I wonder if you see the coincidence:

"Maybe the name Traynor or Tailor or something similar might have something to do with the road, street, or name of the school or company that use to be the building."

It seems a coincidence to me, because in the Haleigh Cummings case, the father of Haleigh has a good friend with the last name Traylor.  Wondering if perhaps part of what you were sensing at the time of that reading, had to do with this other case as well? 

The part you've spoken of about the movie night at a church, and Sandra wanting to go see a movie, is very interesting.  Would be curious to know if Melissa had offered to take Sandra to that movie night, as a way of luring her out of the mobile home park.  ?? 
 

Someone asked me about the Haleigh Cummings case while I was trying to do the read for Sandra. I've never "looked" at the Cummings case and frankly did not KNOW about it...before this person asked. (Those aren't the kinds of news reports I pay attention to usually.)

I think Tailor or Traynor was a message on locating the town of Tracy, California. Letter "T" in the name and all that. But I will grant you that if you are tryings, psychically, to pick up on "Missing""child""female" "In the United States"...you are liable to pick up all kinds of cases before your spiritual helpers "missile lock" you on the case you WANT. Like a computer search I guess. You look for "blue cars"...you'll get millions of hits. You look for "blue cars" "train"...you'll get to see a bunch of boxcars. We got tons of missing kids in the is country. Sad to say.

I appreciate the idea of trying to lend credence to my theory that Sandra was headed to a movie night...but I think it's time to call a spade a spade and admit that I need to send my Scooby-Doo Junior Investigators ring back in shame. I got the impression of a church...then I ran with that to a movie night at a different WRONG church. I think I'm going to call "Fail!" on myself for that one and move on.

To recap....Church part: Seems to be correct. Headed to movie night: Too much Scooby Doo as a child.

[Stacey]

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

[JazzTune]

Oh, "no rose" I didn't mean my post as a slam on anything you said!  In fact, I appreciate you bringing all of these things up in the first place.  You're right too.  Her defense team MIGHT come up with that angle. 

The whole idea of it really angers me though, so I was just irritated that they'd even think they could put one over like that.  I get so up in arms whenever I feel that people are trying to get someone off the hook by taking advantage of the genuinely mentally ill.

But honestly, what do I know?  Maybe Melissa IS genuinely mentally ill too.  So I'll just stick around and read.  Anyway, your posts are very interesting and informative.  Thanks and please keep sharing your opinions!   

[Maven]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/15/wrong.huckaby/index.html

California woman mistaken for suspect in girl's killing

Yes, she is 28. Yes, she is a Sunday school teacher, and yes, her name is Melissa Huckaby.
 But the woman from Manteca, California, said she wants people to know that she is not that Melissa Huckaby.

This Melissa Huckaby lives about 14 miles from Tracy, California, where the other one was arrested and accused of raping and killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

That hasn't stopped national talk shows from calling her and people from threatening her, forcing her friends to bring guns to church in an effort to protect her.

Her MySpace page has been mistaken so many times for the one of the murder suspect that she has had to shut it down, Huckaby said.

"They hear the name, and a lot of people think it's me," Huckaby told CNN affiliate KOVR-TV. "I was getting hate mail."
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Not only are they the same age and both teach Sunday school, the two women resemble each other slightly.

Melissa Huckaby of Tracy is accused of killing an 8-year-old playmate of her 5-year-old daughter.
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Melissa Huckaby of Manteca has two daughters -- 8 and 5.

[no rose colored glasses]

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

[Anna]

I need to make one more observation, and then TRY TO GET SOME WORK DONE!  

I don't think MH is covering for someone else.  These detectives and the FBI are trained to weed that sort of thing out, and it's pretty easy to detect.  MH knew specifics about this crime that only the perp could or would know.  So as far as the crime against Sandra is concerned, she's it folks, JMHO.

It's beginning to look this way for me as well.

I am sure we can expect some sort of defense based on any medication she may have been taking.

After all, we have even had the "Twinkie" defense in this country--that eating high sugar content sweets caused the perp to commit a crime.

And some meds or other this woman  was taking could have in fact lowered her impulse control.  However, as our laws are written, she is till guilty and in my mind guilty as we all know right from wrong even in a state from meds, we still have to control ourselves.  Everyone who is taking meds cannot be given any kind of pass because of them, same as those under influence of alcohol or recreational drugs.  We are ultimately still the one responsible for our own actions.

[Maven]

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

I can't find anything on that either, but the fact that she did in one way or another get medical attention, makes me think she is sane enough to know that swallowing x-acto blades is not a good idea even if only after she did it.

[Stacey]

Hello Monkeys and welcome new Monkeys

When I saw MH in court all kinds of thoughts were going on in my mind thinking maybe she is insane. Don't know couldn't put my finger on it but then after hearing she swallowed X-Acto knives and then got help after she did slapped me in the face.

Nope she is not legally insane because she got help she didn't want to die so she is in her right mind. I feel if she was insane she could not have seen the difference in swallowing candy or the knives. But she did know the difference because she got help for it

Monkey hugs

I can't find anything about how she got to the hospital, if an ambulance took her, if she drove herself, or the grandparents drove her?

I think i heard a ambulance took her but could be wrong. But know matter how she got to the hospital she knew she had swallowed knives not candy something that was bad for her and would hurt her. She knew the difference so she knows the difference between right and wrong

Monkey hugs

[no rose colored glasses]

Oh, "no rose" I didn't mean my post as a slam on anything you said!  In fact, I appreciate you bringing all of these things up in the first place.  You're right too.  Her defense team MIGHT come up with that angle. 

The whole idea of it really angers me though, so I was just irritated that they'd even think they could put one over like that.  I get so up in arms whenever I feel that people are trying to get someone off the hook by taking advantage of the genuinely mentally ill.

But honestly, what do I know?  Maybe Melissa IS genuinely mentally ill too.  So I'll just stick around and read.  Anyway, your posts are very interesting and informative.  Thanks and please keep sharing your opinions!   

Thanks, and your insights are helpful, my problem is I have to make sense of things, and maybe there just is no sense in any of this. And even if there was somekind of sense, Sandra's family will still suffer horribly dealing with this until the day they die.

[no rose colored glasses]

How awful for the other woman, Melissa Huckabee. The woman has two children, maybe that's where the confusion is with this Melissa thinking she had two children?

[pink angel]

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A criminal psychologist (a talking head) on HLN said yesterday that woman sex abusers will often reenact out their own childhood trauma on their victims.
And the killing could have been from all that rage that came from the reenactment/and all the recent stress in her life (which she blamed on the childhood abuse/abuser) coming to an head and she killed Sandra much like she wanted to kill her childhood abuser.

I think after it happened she went into shame/guilt mode. She used the suitcase to hide her, dumped her in the pond.

Then when the body was found, she felt such guilt that she committed suicide, hoping that would be the end on her part.

When suicide didn't work, she came out and started telling stories. Perhaps hoping she would get caught, since suicide didn't work.


Mind you, I am not condoning or defending....just putting out a theory.