Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[no rose colored glasses]

I am really wondering if Melissa did any of this...murdering Sandra, raping her, putting her in that suitcase...throwing her in the pond.....maybe she is covering for someone who she was in love with or thought that she was in love with? he convinced her to take the rap since she had some "issues" and that she wouldn't have to spend as much time for doing this horrible crime as he would? convincing her that they would be together when she got out? dunno....but something is just not sticking with me in regards to MH really murdering Sandra.....My brain is not comprehending ....
It seems from the above article that Klaas provided and was also in my local newspaper, there seem to be a number of people who have a bunch of questions as well...

There does seem to be a lot of questions, but I personally think that a lot of people just have trouble accepting a woman doing that. Who knows maybe she is a scapegoat, someone else involved, maybe Sinclair, since I guess she went out on a date with him, maybe other dates, that we are not aware of. But I keep going back to the grandparents, I just cannot drop them, and maybe they also had nothing to do with any of this. The police seem pretty sure of themselves, that she acted alone, and it was deliberate, with such a high profile case, I would doubt they would say this if they weren't sure, but who knows?

[mig]

I am really wondering if Melissa did any of this...murdering Sandra, raping her, putting her in that suitcase...throwing her in the pond.....maybe she is covering for someone who she was in love with or thought that she was in love with? he convinced her to take the rap since she had some "issues" and that she wouldn't have to spend as much time for doing this horrible crime as he would? convincing her that they would be together when she got out? dunno....but something is just not sticking with me in regards to MH really murdering Sandra.....My brain is not comprehending ....
It seems from the above article that Klaas provided and was also in my local newspaper, there seem to be a number of people who have a bunch of questions as well...

There does seem to be a lot of questions, but I personally think that a lot of people just have trouble accepting a woman doing that. Who knows maybe she is a scapegoat, someone else involved, maybe Sinclair, since I guess she went out on a date with him, maybe other dates, that we are not aware of. But I keep going back to the grandparents, I just cannot drop them, and maybe they also had nothing to do with any of this. The police seem pretty sure of themselves, that she acted alone, and it was deliberate, with such a high profile case, I would doubt they would say this if they weren't sure, but who knows?

It saddens me to the depths of my soul that people can not wrap their mind around a woman that does this type of crime.  When sexual abuse done by a female is reported, it is very often discounted because they say females usually do not do these types of crimes. 
When it is brought to light that a female has done sexual abuse family most times discount it and protect the abuser.  Speaking from personal experience......a teenager in my daughter in law's family molested a 4 year old boy.  It was reported to dcf by the 4 year old's preschool...The family lied and said it didn't happen to protect the teen girl that did this.  Then to the rest of the family they made excuses for the teen saying that she was just curious about sex and that's why she did it....one of the men in the family even talked like it was a notch on the belt of the little boy that a girl was after him so young.  It was the most sickening time in my life knowing that this family felt that way.  Dcf closed the file on it because girls do not do this.  The only thing that dcf said was that the girl shouldn't be with the child unsupervised.  Through the whole investigation in this the girl was in the same house with the child almost 24/7.

I am not good at expressing my thoughts, but wanted people to see that girls and women do this type of crime....and it is either not reported or discounted.

[spring2]

I can much more see a girl/boy situation,   but a woman and a girl, that's what's difficult.

And still, if LE can wrap this up in a tight little package that only one person is involved, that calms the community down.  I'm still not buying it.  And when has this chick ever told the truth in her LIFE?  So she tells LE nobody helped her, and they are buying it?  Really?

Also, why did LE take the recording equipment from the church? 

[no rose colored glasses]

I can much more see a girl/boy situation,   but a woman and a girl, that's what's difficult.

And still, if LE can wrap this up in a tight little package that only one person is involved, that calms the community down.  I'm still not buying it.  And when has this chick ever told the truth in her LIFE?  So she tells LE nobody helped her, and they are buying it?  Really?

Also, why did LE take the recording equipment from the church? 

I'm wondering about that believe me. I would so hope that LE is not just calming the community down, I also feel there is more, not because I don't believe a woman can do such a thing.

[no rose colored glasses]

Mig, I'm sorry you and your family went through this. I have been in many an argument over female teachers, having sex with their students. I find it just as outrageous whether it is a male or female teacher. This bs about the lucky boy having sex with his teacher, makes me sick.

[Edward]

Female teachers having sex with teenage male students... Is Educational 

I remember it happening when I was in High School. .. A long long time ago.

I do not think anyone was hurt for life over it. It was bragging rights for the boy.. lol

Anyways... I am just sayin.. 

I think it has been going on a very long time.

[cookie]

I am really wondering if Melissa did any of this...murdering Sandra, raping her, putting her in that suitcase...throwing her in the pond.....maybe she is covering for someone who she was in love with or thought that she was in love with? he convinced her to take the rap since she had some "issues" and that she wouldn't have to spend as much time for doing this horrible crime as he would? convincing her that they would be together when she got out? dunno....but something is just not sticking with me in regards to MH really murdering Sandra.....My brain is not comprehending ....
It seems from the above article that Klaas provided and was also in my local newspaper, there seem to be a number of people who have a bunch of questions as well...

There does seem to be a lot of questions, but I personally think that a lot of people just have trouble accepting a woman doing that. Who knows maybe she is a scapegoat, someone else involved, maybe Sinclair, since I guess she went out on a date with him, maybe other dates, that we are not aware of. But I keep going back to the grandparents, I just cannot drop them, and maybe they also had nothing to do with any of this. The police seem pretty sure of themselves, that she acted alone, and it was deliberate, with such a high profile case, I would doubt they would say this if they weren't sure, but who knows?

It saddens me to the depths of my soul that people can not wrap their mind around a woman that does this type of crime.  When sexual abuse done by a female is reported, it is very often discounted because they say females usually do not do these types of crimes. 
When it is brought to light that a female has done sexual abuse family most times discount it and protect the abuser.  Speaking from personal experience......a teenager in my daughter in law's family molested a 4 year old boy.  It was reported to dcf by the 4 year old's preschool...The family lied and said it didn't happen to protect the teen girl that did this.  Then to the rest of the family they made excuses for the teen saying that she was just curious about sex and that's why she did it....one of the men in the family even talked like it was a notch on the belt of the little boy that a girl was after him so young.  It was the most sickening time in my life knowing that this family felt that way.  Dcf closed the file on it because girls do not do this.  The only thing that dcf said was that the girl shouldn't be with the child unsupervised.  Through the whole investigation in this the girl was in the same house with the child almost 24/7.

I am not good at expressing my thoughts, but wanted people to see that girls and women do this type of crime....and it is either not reported or discounted.

I am certainly not discounting or being a non believer in women being predators...even though I think that statistically speaking, how many cases have you heard of with a woman on girl attack?
what I am saying, that for me, something is not ringing true with this woman and her involvement with Sandra's molestation and murder...not that I don't think that it is possible to happen...of course it could happen...but something is amiss here and I am not sure what it is...time will tell...MH is a known liar and sometimes people do sick confessions to get attention? say for instance the nut bag, Mark someone who said that he killed Jon Benet Ramsey, when he didn't...can't remember his name right now although I can see his face and slinky body  with the high waisted pants...
I find it outrageous whether male or female predator.....women should not get any special treatment than a man who is a sexual predator...

[mig]

Mig, I'm sorry you and your family went through this. I have been in many an argument over female teachers, having sex with their students. I find it just as outrageous whether it is a male or female teacher. This bs about the lucky boy having sex with his teacher, makes me sick.

 

Sorry I did not explain myself very well.  It was a teen girl that did this to a 4 year old boy.

The preschool reported this to dcf.

A teacher had nothing to do with it.....other than report it.

[jaggard19]

Good afternoon all monkeys.

I just had to sign in and put in my thoughts on this subject as well.  We have had a lot of people, monkeys included, give a "profile" on this case, and yet, it turned out to be a women, and she was caught because her story changed so often to the media and to the police.  The profile sure did not fit in this case at all.  Yet, a lot of people seem to have a problem with the fact that it was a women who was the abuser/murderer in this case.  Now, step back and think about it.  How many unsolved missing person cases/found body cases are there out there?  A lot, too many, yet, all the cases are being handled according to a preset "profile" image the police are working with, so no one is actually looking for a woman as the murderer!  I wonder how many times a woman was passed over as the murderer simply because "a woman just doesn't do that"?  We can believe a woman will abduct a baby from a hospital or a young mother, but we can't believe that she could "harm" another woman's child!  We can believe that cheerleaders' moms can "hurt" other cheerleaders so their own daughter has a chance, but we cannot believe that a woman will "hurt" another woman's child?  We can believe that a stepmother can starve a child.  We can attribute such behaviors as "hormonal" but we cannot allow that those hormones played a part in sexual abuse of a child!  Maybe another review of all those unsolved cases needs to be done with an entirely new profile to work from.

I think in this case, there are others that "helped" Melissa or that Melissa helped.  I wonder also about the recording equipment as well.  Why search the roof of the church?  There are just too many unanswered questions in this case.  But, I know the monkeys here will go at it until it is solved!

[cookie]

JAG...that is a good point about the profilers in regards to other cases...had not thought of that, but you are right...

[mig]

Female teachers having sex with teenage male students... Is Educational 

I remember it happening when I was in High School. .. A long long time ago.

I do not think anyone was hurt for life over it. It was bragging rights for the boy.. lol

Anyways... I am just sayin.. 

I think it has been going on a very long time.

Edward I hate to tell you this......but it does have lasting effects.  This kind of thinking makes me sick.

[Edward]

It is just my 60's liberal free love hippie thinking.. I should have kept that one to myself.. lol

Anyways where is the Delete buttons on this forum ?? 

[klaasend]

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090419/A_NEWS/904190315/-1/A_COMM04

For those who searched in Tracy, a little relief


By Keith Reid
April 19, 2009
Record Staff Writer

TRACY - City leaders, police officers, firefighters and community volunteers - the same people who restlessly searched for days on end to find 8-year-old Sandra Cantu and arrest her alleged killer - gathered Saturday afternoon at Civic Center Park.

They barbecued hot dogs and hamburgers and mingled. Some started a pick-up soccer game.

For the first time in a while, this community smiled.

"It's a chance to get together, and after everything, laugh a little bit," Tracy Fire Engineer Ruben Cortinas said. "It's a beautiful day, and it's time to enjoy it."

Councilman Steve Abercrombie organized the barbecue, paid for by the city, as a way to thank the emergency responders and volunteer search teams that dedicate their time to the city.

"It's been a very emotional time, and hopefully this is a way that we can say thanks and continue healing as a community," Abercrombie said.

Not only is the community reeling from the brutal murder of a child, but other recent cases that have brought outrage and sorrow: The death of an Oakland police officer who called Tracy home; the arrest of four people charged with torturing a teenager in their home; a teacher charged with molesting 12 students on an elementary school campus; and a plastic surgeon who allegedly sexually assaulted dozens of patients.

"It is in a time of crisis that we find out what we're truly made of," City Manager Leon Churchill said. "Our mettle is consistently being tested, and we are consistently passing the test and showing what Tracy is really about."

The crowd at the park Saturday was not huge. Police Chief Janet Thiessen said for many officers it was the first weekend they had time to attend their kids' Little League games and spend time with family.

But for those who showed for the barbecue, it was an important event.

"I didn't get involved to be thanked," said Jeff Stegmeier, who volunteered in the search for Sandra. "But it's nice to be appreciated and to thank everybody else."

Contact reporter Keith Reid at (209) 546-8257 or kreid@recordnet.com

[spring2]

For the record, I just want to make it known that I never say never.  Do I think she could have done this?  YES.  But with what we know about porn rings in Tracy, I am just weighing heavily that it's not really over.  LE worked HARD on this.  I am sure they didn't sleep while this was happening.  They needed a break.  Plus, imagine a community living in fear?   I just hope that they haven't closed the chapter and there will not be more victims.

One other thing.  I am not sure Melissa is smart enough to "take a rap"  for somebody.  I see her more as a very weak link.

[Red]

Never Judge a Book by it’s Cover … Brit Susan Boyle Wows them All with I Dream the Dream from Les Miserables

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/04/19/never-judge-a-book-by-its-cover-brit-susan-boyle-wows-them-all-with-i-dream-the-dream-from-les-miserables/

Let this be an inspirational metaphor for many things in life. One never knows exactly where a gift will come from, in what shape, size or appearance.

In the world of missing persons and true crime ... inspirational metaphors are most welcome.

[no rose colored glasses]

Mig, I'm sorry you and your family went through this. I have been in many an argument over female teachers, having sex with their students. I find it just as outrageous whether it is a male or female teacher. This bs about the lucky boy having sex with his teacher, makes me sick.

 

Sorry I did not explain myself very well.  It was a teen girl that did this to a 4 year old boy.

The preschool reported this to dcf.

A teacher had nothing to do with it.....other than report it.

Oh I know, I don't explain myself very well, I was trying to say, any female doing this to a young child, or a woman in authority doing this. To me whether it is a teen girl or teen boy doing this to a small child, it is very wrong, the teen girl in your family got a pass, because she was a female, and that makes me angry.

[no rose colored glasses]

JAG...that is a good point about the profilers in regards to other cases...had not thought of that, but you are right...

Excellent point I agree, and cookie I agree, something is amiss with this, hopefully all the answers will come, and Sandra gets the justice she so deserves.

[Tams]

Female teachers having sex with teenage male students... Is Educational 

I remember it happening when I was in High School. .. A long long time ago.

I do not think anyone was hurt for life over it. It was bragging rights for the boy.. lol

Anyways... I am just sayin.. 

I think it has been going on a very long time.

Hey Edward -
If I may be completely candid: that sort of statement might fly in a group of macho guys all hanging out having beers, recounting their youthful 'exploits', with no one else in earshot. (I remember some of the self proclaimed 'studs' making similar statements when I was in high school, too - back in the late 70's.) It comes across as glib, calloused & irresponsible here, though. This forum is a gathering of concerned citizens (who seem genuinely warm, welcoming, & caring, in my experience thus far) who are interested in the safety of our community's  children; in this particular thread, we are adamant about justice for little Sandra Cantu. Your comments & their tone were waaaay out of line here, to the point of being offensive I'm afraid.

One of the things that I have come to appreciate most about this group is how respectful everyone is of one another - very refreshing and IMO, so very hard to find in this world. We come together as friends, bring forth & hash out information as a team, and value one another's input.

Hope it was OK that I said this. Just really struck me the wrong way. Thank you for hearing my opinion, Edward & fellow monkeys.

[Edward]

I have no problem with your opinion..

[Blink34]

I can much more see a girl/boy situation,   but a woman and a girl, that's what's difficult.

And still, if LE can wrap this up in a tight little package that only one person is involved, that calms the community down.  I'm still not buying it.  And when has this chick ever told the truth in her LIFE?  So she tells LE nobody helped her, and they are buying it?  Really?

Also, why did LE take the recording equipment from the church? 

With ya. I have come to grips with my bias in this case regarding female sex abusers, so lesson learned I admit.
However
This crime, is not one of straight molestation. NO WAY. There is an element of sadistic or torturous elements that do not fit, and I am willing to bet dont fit the COD either. For instance, this Was not planned. By all accounts Sandra was skipping through the hood looking for someone to play with, if it were planned, she could have been anywhere and dumped her anywhere. I am willing to admit at the end of this I could be wrong, but I feel strongly there is male involvement of some kind, somewhere on the daisy chain here.
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