Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Tracygirl]

Ok what I wrote didn't make sense, sorry. I had written it out two times and they got all tangled up. My point was, if yo listen to the video it sounds like she is talking about 2 different things when speaking about the park. I wonder if she mistakenly said that her gm called on her cell to let her know Sandra was missing...

It does sound like she is mixing two separate events, what I would love to know, who was this child Melissa took to the park three times? Is this park close to the mobil park? But the biggest question is, why is Melissa saying all this stuff to the reporter?

Do we know it happened? Did LE say it actually did occur? MH could have been making this up? How did we hear of this? I can't recall?
I think there is a park at the MHP, not sure if she means to this park or another one. I cant think of another park within walking distance or near by. I think the only one is by the elementary school which is a couple of miles away.

[JessStar]

Remember this?

27 June 2001
Comedian Paula Poundstone charged with molesting child

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Comedian Paula Poundstone was arrested Wednesday by Santa Monica police and charged with lewd acts upon a child and child endangerment, authorities said.

A statement released by the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office said Poundstone, 41, was arrested on a felony warrant for three counts of committing a lewd act on an unidentified girl under the age of 14.

The statement said she was also charged with endangering two other unidentified girls and two boys.

from: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/06/27/poundstone.arrest/

[JessStar]

What about this:

Woman Charged in Sexual Assault on Twelve-Year-Old Girl

Woman charged in sexual assault on twelve-year-old girl

Published on 7 November 1990,
The State (Columbia SC)

A Columbia woman was charged Tuesday with the attempted rape of a twelve-year- old girl, the Irmo police said.

Patsy M., 38, was arrested Tuesday night and charged with the assault, which allegedly occurred when she was living with the child and the girl's father. She was charged with assault with intent to commit criminal sexual conduct on a minor.

Irmo police Lt. Don Murphy said the attack occurred Oct. 24 but wasn't reported by the victim's father until Friday.

OR THIS

Woman Kidnaps, Rapes Girl
30 July 1993 Beacon Journal

Woman Convicted in Rape Wants New Trial

A Massillon woman -- one of two people convicted Monday, of kidnapping, raping and torturing a 16-year-old girl for 10 hours last fall -- is asking for a new trial.

In a motion filed Thursday, in Stark County Common Pleas Court, Kimberly S., 35, maintains that the judge failed to give jurors information that could have resulted in a conviction on a lesser charge.

On Tuesday, S. was given the maximum sentence, 20 to 50 years, with no chance of parole for 12 years.....


So there are female predators.  In my mind, I think MH was acting out something that had happened to her.  I still think she drugged Sandra and that it went too far and Sandra died.  Probably an overdose.  In the course of investigating the incident, LE discovered the dark side of the church.  Those words of Sheneman, when asked if they expect any more arrest, "Not in this particular case" are still resounding in my mind.  I do think LE uncovered something really bad.  But I think it was in conjunction with Sandra's death.  I think MH acted alone.  There is no reason why she couldn't have acted alone.  If you think about it, everyone seems to agree that this wasn't really preplanned.  She lured Sandra to the church and the rest is history.  The only thing that is causing others to pause is the fact that she's a woman.  And I just gave 3 relatively recent, documented examples of woman raping young children.  We'll just have to wait for the facts to come out.

[JessStar]

Oh, and let's not forget JonBenet Ramsey.  While never proven, there was STRONG public sentiment that JonBenet died at the hands of her own mother during a sex-act gone bad.

By the way, I case you haven't been to the San Joaquin County Superior Court Website, note:

The staff of the Superior Court of San Joaquin County has been inundated by phone calls from various press and media agencies seeking information about high profile cases.  The following case(s) have been deemed “extraordinary” under California Rule of Court 2.503(e).

PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CAILFORNIA, Plaintiff
Vs
Melissa Huckaby, Defendant

Case Number: SF111539A

Beginning April 20, 2009, the Court intends to make information related to this case (i.e., court case documents) available on this website. The primary purpose of this website is to provide the public with up-to-date and immediate information regarding high-profile court cases. The secondary purpose is to reduce the number of telephone inquiries to the Superior Court seeking information and/or documents. This website should be the public’s primary and immediate source of information."

Good night, Monkeys.  Trial starts tomorrow. . .gotta get to bed!

[JessStar]

Sorry, one more.  An INCREDIBLY INTERESTING STORY from the LA Times in 2002.  It surmises that the incidence of women sexually assaulting children is vastly under-reported and cites a variety of reasons.  Perhaps the most telling line is this one:  "Thrailkill, whose sexual predator status is up for review by the state in September, told psychiatrists she molested children, ages 5 to 8, whom she baby-sat or enticed into her Santa Rosa apartment to play with her children. Her story, pieced together from court records, is a less a rarity than crime statistics suggest. "  Any of that sound familiar?

For the article, and I highly recommend reading it, go to http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0208/lt020816.htm

[JessStar]

Ok, I can't help myself.  Take a look at this:

http://www.canadiancrc.com/female_sexual_predators_awareness.aspx

I was going to quote some parallels noted in those studies to the MH case, but decided not go because they are a little too graphic.  But take a read.

[Tams]

Good Evening, JessStar!

Been meaning to tell you how much I enjoy your posts; they are always informative and so well written. We monkeys are lucky to have an attorney in our midst to help us navigate through the legalities and help separate fact from fiction.

Mr. Sheneman's statement re: no further arrests in this particular case is key here, I so agree with you; and this feeling we have does in no way involve an inability to believe that a woman could have committed this crime. Whatever happened to Sandra is part of, linked or related to something bigger, which in turn involves more people. And the 'church' is smelling like it might be a part of it. . . . .

By the way - all the best on your trial starting tomorrow! Sending you positive monkey vibes -

[Tams]

Ok, I can't help myself.  Take a look at this:

http://www.canadiancrc.com/female_sexual_predators_awareness.aspx

I was going to quote some parallels noted in those studies to the MH case, but decided not go because they are a little too graphic.  But take a read.

A very interesting & informative article/site indeed. Thank you for sharing that. Surely seems to back up my earlier post that female teachers engaging in sex with boys/young men is not a 'good ole boy-wink wink nudge nudge' sort of situation. According to the article, a huge percentage of men who experienced that in their youth went on to become rapists/sexual aggressors later in life.

[4getUnot]

Hi Monkeys !!!!

In regards to some posts on the churches that Deenie did the other day I got curious as well and began to try to check out Alisal Baptist Church since the Website on Clover Road Baptist has all but disappeared except for the one bible verse.

Anyway they had a list of missions or missionaries that they support as follows from the page -

http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/missions.php

 

Missions

MISSIONARY TO PAPUA, NEW GUINEA
Missionary: Elder Frank James
Sponsoring Church: Olmstead Baptist Church
Contact Address: 2412 Egret Dr.
Clarksville, TN 37042
Contact Phone: (931) 542-0544 or (931) 801-8187
Email: fandcjames@runbox.com
 
Contact Phone: 011-61-2-46-26-8809
 
MISSIONARY TO PERU
Missionary: Elder Rodney Spears
Sponsoring Church: Baptist Temple
Contact Phone: (937) 288-2325
Email: spearsrodney@msn.com
 
MISSIONARY TO THE PHILIPPINES
Missionary: Elder Brent Spears
Sponsoring Church: Bryan Station Baptist Church
Contact Address: Blk. 29 Lot 12 Area "S"
Maharlika St., Queens Row Subd.,
Molino, Bacoor, Cavite
Email: misionarybks@pacific.net.ph

Above I highlighted one that I tried to check out and below is what I found -
link to missionaries
http://www.sherwoodbaptist.com/missions/bspears/bsp_pdfs/bspears_12_07.pdf
The one above is for a Brent K Spears and family but has not been updated since 2007???

I did all kinds of searches for the churches in the Philipines he metioned on his web page but couldn't find them. Couldn't find a church there needing a pastor but of course the info is old.

Also I read the Articles of Faith on the Alisal Baptist Church Page

http://www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/articles.php

"VI.   DIRECT MISSIONS
This church will endorse as many missionaries as she feels the Holy Spirit leads as in Acts 13:1-4. There will be no agencies to serve as mediums between the church and missionary, such as Convention Boards, Missionary Committees, or Central Treasurers, but all support shall be sent direct from the church to the missionary as in Phil. 4:16. When it is possible, the missionary should report direct back to the church. (Acts 14:24-27.) "

Interesting that it says Money will be sent directly to the missionary while we find above listed sponsoring churches so do they send money to Bryan Station Baptist Church or do they directly support these missionaries??? Is Brent Spears still one they support and why no current update????
(Lot of Contradictions or BS IMO)

I find this odd because I have a friend whose son is a missionary to Madagascar and I have no trouble finding his info with pictures etc. along with all the latest information.  Money isn't sent directly to him, his church handles it I guess because of exchange rates and so forth gets kind of complicated. 

Really my point is when trying to track down real info I've come up empty handed and so has Deenie with the companies.  These things seem to indicate that they are more for show and cover up than legitimate affairs IMHO. 

[spring2]

I can much more see a girl/boy situation,   but a woman and a girl, that's what's difficult.

And still, if LE can wrap this up in a tight little package that only one person is involved, that calms the community down.  I'm still not buying it.  And when has this chick ever told the truth in her LIFE?  So she tells LE nobody helped her, and they are buying it?  Really?

Also, why did LE take the recording equipment from the church? 

With ya. I have come to grips with my bias in this case regarding female sex abusers, so lesson learned I admit.
However
This crime, is not one of straight molestation. NO WAY. There is an element of sadistic or torturous elements that do not fit, and I am willing to bet dont fit the COD either. For instance, this Was not planned. By all accounts Sandra was skipping through the hood looking for someone to play with, if it were planned, she could have been anywhere and dumped her anywhere. I am willing to admit at the end of this I could be wrong, but I feel strongly there is male involvement of some kind, somewhere on the daisy chain here.
B

Blink, what happened to the cadet that we heard from one day and never heard from again?  He was pretty sure about seeing that truck. 

[4getUnot]

Ok, I can't help myself.  Take a look at this:

http://www.canadiancrc.com/female_sexual_predators_awareness.aspx

I was going to quote some parallels noted in those studies to the MH case, but decided not go because they are a little too graphic.  But take a read.

A very interesting & informative article/site indeed. Thank you for sharing that. Surely seems to back up my earlier post that female teachers engaging in sex with boys/young men is not a 'good ole boy-wink wink nudge nudge' sort of situation. According to the article, a huge percentage of men who experienced that in their youth went on to become rapists/sexual aggressors later in life.

I am learning way more here than I ever cared or dared to know.... it is sickening and frightening.

Fixed your quote

[4getUnot]

Sorry, my post went inside the quote.

Sorry, I don't know how to fix it either, hopefully you all will see the difference.

[Deenie]

Sorry, my post went inside the quote.

Sorry, I don't know how to fix it either, hopefully you all will see the difference.

Hi 4getUnot - I am with you ...keep digging
Its all smoke and mirrors .. so far.
 

[Edward]

Ok, I can't help myself.  Take a look at this:

http://www.canadiancrc.com/female_sexual_predators_awareness.aspx

I was going to quote some parallels noted in those studies to the MH case, but decided not go because they are a little too graphic.  But take a read.

A very interesting & informative article/site indeed. Thank you for sharing that. Surely seems to back up my earlier post that female teachers engaging in sex with boys/young men is not a 'good ole boy-wink wink nudge nudge' sort of situation. According to the article, a huge percentage of men who experienced that in their youth went on to become rapists/sexual aggressors later in life.

Here is something relative to this case .. Not about teachers having sex with students..

PORN VICTIM
Kids of abusive 'monster' got life sentence
Toronto Sun, By HIMANI EDIRIWEERA, March 9, 2003

He's a man in pain, chased by the ghosts of his past. His greatest fear as a child wasn't the monsters in his closet; his greatest fear was the monster he called "mom."

The horrors "Handyman" says he and his six siblings suffered as children are haunting them once more as they work with police to sift through recently seized, graphic child-porn images.

It's almost 30 years since Handyman's mother "Margaret" began selling her children to her friends -- and her victims shudder each time they hear of child-porn seizures, fearing their images may be included in the collections.

The victims, who can't be named to protect their identities, were sexually assaulted from age 3 -- raped, forced to perform oral sex, strangled, drugged, beaten with objects.

Toronto Police Det. Wendy Leaver of the sex crimes unit said it's difficult when dealing with historical sexual assault because many victims won't step up to testify.

"In historical investigations, many people don't want anything to do with it -- they've put it in the past and they want to keep it there," she said. But each time a porn arrest makes the news, "it's probably brought up a lot of memories and there are some (who) want that closure."

Margaret's children are now working with Toronto Police to find evidence that will help them in their civil suit against their mother, which in turn could also lead to further charges against anyone possessing the images.

"We can't drag (victims) into court because we have to respect their opinions and confidentiality -- but, if they come to us, there could be hundreds of individual charges against (those caught possessing child porn)," Leaver said.

"Dianna," Handyman's 34-year-old sister, said it's "pretty disgusting" that the victim has to find the evidence to convince disbelieving courts and authorities. "I have several memories of porn, especially reel to reel," she said.

Handyman looks like he's lived many years beyond his age. He stares blankly and tells his tale of abhorrent sexual abuse, suffered as a child at the hands of his mother who he says sold his tiny body to pedophiles.

Margaret, described in court as a "monster mom," sexually abused her children when they were tots, according to their suit.

Described by her kids as "living a life of drinking and drugging," she received only six months' house arrest.

Her victims -- her seven children -- say they have received a life sentence.

Margaret, then 50, had been charged with several counts of indecent assault, but the court in February 2001 accepted her guilty plea to three counts of failing to provide the necessities of life, to save her children from the trauma of testifying about the horrors they suffered.

Justice David Watt said Margaret was a first offender, convicted of crimes of omission that occurred 25 to 30 years ago in circumstances that seem unlikely to recur.

Handyman suffers physical and mental disabilities from the trauma. His handwriting is neat but his spelling and grammar are not.

"Wilde animal's aspecaily the female who hase young evin though she mighite be hert or starving will protect here young she will protect them evin though she now's she is going to die. If a animal know's to do this why doesnt the human," he wrote in a victim-impact statement for the court.

Dianna suffers physical disabilities from the beatings, and experienced traumatic amnesia for a long time. She also has partial paralysis and lives with multiple-personality disorder.

"It's an aversion to deal with crimes beyond human imagination. I have to come up with other personalities that think smarter than the criminal," Dianna told The Sun.

But, having earned two degrees with the intent of becoming an advocate for other victims, she attributes her success at having "outsmarted" her abusers.

Her siblings, she says, weren't as lucky. One brother is estranged from them; Handyman is merely surviving, unsure what "living" is like; the others are tormented by their past.

Handyman pauses, trying to think of a happy childhood memory, then recalls a time he and his two sisters were starving.

"I remember we had one of those Betty Crocker plastic ovens. We didn't know how to use it though, so we only ate the cake powder," he says. "There was also that time we put raw bacon on one of those old heaters. We were trying to cook it so we could at least have that to eat. Those are the only fond memories I have."

Dianna remembers being raped, beaten and left to starve.

Handyman attributes his partial blindness to the one thing that saved his life. After he took a blow to the head with a beer bottle, shattered glass tore through his eye, and, at age 7, he was finally removed from Margaret's care.

The children left behind still had to face years of abuse.

Children's Aid Society and Catholic Children's Aid Society were often involved with the family, according to Simona Jellinek, the lawyer handling the children's civil suit. Children's aid officials would not comment on the case.

The grown victims are ashamed they didn't fight back.

"Sometimes, I get so angry with myself that it makes me want to jump off the subway and put an end to this family curse," Handyman wrote in his statement to the court.

Now, he lives a life of fear and always carries a weapon.

Dianna refers to her mother only as her "egg donor."

"She's living in an area with children, and she spent her life abusing the ones she had -- what can she be thinking about her neighbours' kids?" Dianna said.

"It's hard to say that there is ever an appropriate punishment because our laws were not designed for this," Jellinek said. "Often with crimes against people, the perpetrator gets off easy. The crime and the punishment do not go hand in hand."

Jellinek said while going to court doesn't take away feelings of isolation and being ostracized, it's often a symbolic victory.

"The victims are now ... doing something -- so any amount of money, or any conviction, can represent a victory. It's not the amount they receive, it's what it represents," she said.

The family argues that Margaret's six-month conditional house arrest is no punishment for a monster.

"That family, that white picket fence, that dog -- that will never happen for me. I fear so much that I can't even breathe," Handyman told The Sun. "I'm in jail -- she only got six months' house arrest and I got life."

http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/Toronto_Sun_Porn_victim_monster_mom_09MAR03.aspx

That original question was about a porn ring in operation in Tracy..
Although I think it is everywhere in the world and always has been.

But could it exist in this case and Mellisa herself is an elder victim ? Still a victim today doing what she is told..
She shows all the signs of the victim..?

 
Thanks JessStar for the original link 

[Deenie]

Edward

Remember the Movie " Sybil" .........

[Deenie]

For all that are unaware - Sybil was a real person.
Sybil was not just a Movie - was a Movie about a Young Women who really existed.
snipped - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Ardell_Mason

Sybil told the story of Mason, who was treated for multiple personality disorder (now known as dissociative identity disorder) with reportedly up to 16 co-existing personalities. The book stated that Mason suffered from the condition as a result of severe sexual abuse at the hands of her mother, who Schreiber believed was schizophrenic.

More info on Shirley Mason  " Sybil"
http://tonic.bloggerunleashed.com/generalnews/the-real-sybil-is-shirley-ardell-mason/

[Edward]

I can much more see a girl/boy situation,   but a woman and a girl, that's what's difficult.

And still, if LE can wrap this up in a tight little package that only one person is involved, that calms the community down.  I'm still not buying it.  And when has this chick ever told the truth in her LIFE?  So she tells LE nobody helped her, and they are buying it?  Really?

Also, why did LE take the recording equipment from the church? 

With ya. I have come to grips with my bias in this case regarding female sex abusers, so lesson learned I admit.
However
This crime, is not one of straight molestation. NO WAY. There is an element of sadistic or torturous elements that do not fit, and I am willing to bet dont fit the COD either. For instance, this Was not planned. By all accounts Sandra was skipping through the hood looking for someone to play with, if it were planned, she could have been anywhere and dumped her anywhere. I am willing to admit at the end of this I could be wrong, but I feel strongly there is male involvement of some kind, somewhere on the daisy chain here.
B

Blink, what happened to the cadet that we heard from one day and never heard from again?  He was pretty sure about seeing that truck. 

He lives on that empty road where only a few homes exist and the rest is open land..
He being a police cadet is. The home he lives in is his Aunt and Uncles ?
Melissa said she has been to this farm/ranch ?
It is almost like the cadet knows Mellisa..

Mellisa also makes a early claim or rape from a police officer... although the cop was cleared.. Which does not make it true.
It points to yet another time where Mellisa gets into the abused position with an authoritative figure. Who were the OTHER authoritive figures in her growing years ?
She has the victims "prey" syndrome.. where predator "feels" the prey and attacks it.. ?

The police cadet.. Yet another authoritative figure ? He wears the uniform?
How about Williams..
How about the guy Mellisa dates ? ? A
ll of them sense the "Victim" personality..

 

[Edward]

Edward

Remember the Movie " Sybil" .........

  Mellisa has multiple personalities ??? 

[JazzTune]

Hmm... Dissociative Disorder, aka Multiple Personality Disorder. 

Not saying it doesn't exist at all, but in all the years I've been in psych nursing I can't say I know a single psychiatrist who believes in it, or considers it a legitimate diagnosis.  Our chief psychiatrist (who graduated from Harvard) does NOT give it one bit of credence. 

His belief is that the whole "multiple personality" thing ends up becoming a shared "delusional excuse" between the patient and their therapist ( who plants the idea in the patient's mind in the first place)  in order to "explain" a pathological personality disorder.  Easier for the patient and therapist to blame it on  "MPD" rather than address that serious personality disorder they'd otherwise HAVE to be forced to confront. 

I am not a doctor.  I do not diagnose.  And I hope I don't offend anyone here.  But as an RN with extensive psych experience in a hospital setting,  I tend to agree with our chief.  You get a gut feeling about people.  What's real - and when you're being conned...

The patients we've had who tell us they have MPD have always had severe Borderline Personality Disorder.  (Which IS genuine.  Dealing with BPD is an education in itself.)

However, with the "MPD" patients, I've never once felt a genuine sense of "legitimacy" of the various "personalities."   The way the personalities "emerge" and "hide"  seems to conveniently shift blame for any "bad" behavior onto the personalities, NOT the individual.  Therefore, the individual has NO responsibilty and is "unable" to change the behavior "because it's NOT their fault!"   

There may be cases of legitimate MPD.  I'm familiar with "Sybil."  She suffered horrendous abuse.  But I do think MPD in general has been scapegoated more than not.  Many of us in this field believe so. 

By the way too, most "cutters" and self-mutilators have extensive traits of Borderline Personality.  Most Borderlines have a strong history of abuse in their childhood.  They need a lot of help, but that does NOT excuse them from knowing right from wrong...

Once again, these are only my opinions from my working experiences...

[Deenie]

Edward

Remember the Movie " Sybil" .........

  Mellisa has multiple personalities ??? 

No that was not my reason at all for mentioning this movie - MH
Just threw it out - from all that had posted about Women who commit sexual abuses against children ..