Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Tams]

I hope I'm not being rude by just jumping in here, but since I'm new, maybe you forgive me.

I was looking for any information on the replacement Judge Linda Lofthus & found an interesting article from a death penalty case of last year that she presided over.  It gave me some insight into what we may expect from her in this case.  I will just post the link for those that are interested.  (That is if I can this right  )

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080524/A_NEWS/805240318

Thank-you and WELCOME 

I've been lurking here, following this case, but I finally made it as a member!

Welcome to the Monkey Cage, Cece!

[Deenie]

 

Sandra Cantu

I know her fave color is pink .. cant make it so here  - it does not show so well

[Deenie]

why did I post Sandra's photo right now ?
Because this Cage is for Her ..We all Have to Remember We are Talking about a Innocent Precious Child ..  I say this for One Reason
We can all get caught up in the " data and the who and what and they"

Have to though REMEMBER the Baby that we ARE talking about .. She is SANDRA and not a Statistic .. or just a newspaper article .. 
My post was not meant for anyone in particular, no one - Just to See her Face is enough to keep the energy going .. for Justice .. For Her.
Sandra Cantu 

[JazzTune]

Thank you Deenie for that reminder.  You're absolutely right.  This is about Sandra, that precious, innocent, child. 

My deepest apologies for any disturbance or distraction I have unintentionally caused.     

To the moderators or administrator - please delete any or all of my posts if you feel it would be helpful to the forum.   No problem, I understand...

[JessStar]

You know I am thinking about something and want some opinions.....Does anyone have a reason a little girl would be doped up without it having to do with sexual assault? If a person wanted to kill someone, wouldn't drugging a person and staying with them, I suppose just watching them sleep for 4 hours, wouldn't that be sort of the long way to get the result you are looking for? Especially a child, that more then likely someone was going to notice missing. I honestly cannot think of anything other reason MH drugged that 7 year old child then to do something to her she didn't want known. I doubt she was painting her finger nails,  poor girl! Also, touching a child in "that" area or taking pictures of a naked child will not produce any signs of abuse. This poor little girl was abused by this woman and thankfully she was not killed too. I hope she is getting some therapy, I am sure she needs it.

Also, we honestly do not know when the suitcase was tossed into the pond. It was somewhere between March 27th to April 6th. It could have been 10 days or 10 hours.

FWIW, Tracy, I do not believe there is any reason to drug a child and disappear for 4 hours that is not in some way sexually motivated. Remember, her grandparents called her and probably told her the Police were there. She did not have a choice but to take the child home. The fact that this happened and allegedly there was no abuse strengthens my belief there is more going on here. I know for a fact the FBI is lead on this case now, and that spells porn ring to me.

I agree with you Blink 100%.  The FBI's presence in this case is very telling.  There's a federal issue in this case, and it must be a porn ring.  Otherwise the matter would be an issue for the State of California to resolve. 

[JessStar]

Catching up now - thanks so much to everyone for the news links.  A special thanks to JessStar for sharing his legal knowledge and insight here.  It's really helpful in trying to understand how some of the pieces might fit together.  Your input is invaluable!

You're welcome JT.  Just keep in mind it's only one lawyer's perspective. And at times, one very emotional lawyer's perspective.

[JessStar]

why did I post Sandra's photo right now ?
Because this Cage is for Her ..We all Have to Remember We are Talking about a Innocent Precious Child ..  I say this for One Reason
We can all get caught up in the " data and the who and what and they"

Have to though REMEMBER the Baby that we ARE talking about .. She is SANDRA and not a Statistic .. or just a newspaper article .. 
My post was not meant for anyone in particular, no one - Just to See her Face is enough to keep the energy going .. for Justice .. For Her.
Sandra Cantu 

Absolutely spot on, Deenie.  Absolutely spot on. . .

[Blink34]

You know I am thinking about something and want some opinions.....Does anyone have a reason a little girl would be doped up without it having to do with sexual assault? If a person wanted to kill someone, wouldn't drugging a person and staying with them, I suppose just watching them sleep for 4 hours, wouldn't that be sort of the long way to get the result you are looking for? Especially a child, that more then likely someone was going to notice missing. I honestly cannot think of anything other reason MH drugged that 7 year old child then to do something to her she didn't want known. I doubt she was painting her finger nails,  poor girl! Also, touching a child in "that" area or taking pictures of a naked child will not produce any signs of abuse. This poor little girl was abused by this woman and thankfully she was not killed too. I hope she is getting some therapy, I am sure she needs it.

Also, we honestly do not know when the suitcase was tossed into the pond. It was somewhere between March 27th to April 6th. It could have been 10 days or 10 hours.

FWIW, Tracy, I do not believe there is any reason to drug a child and disappear for 4 hours that is not in some way sexually motivated. Remember, her grandparents called her and probably told her the Police were there. She did not have a choice but to take the child home. The fact that this happened and allegedly there was no abuse strengthens my belief there is more going on here. I know for a fact the FBI is lead on this case now, and that spells porn ring to me.

I agree with you Blink 100%.  The FBI's presence in this case is very telling.  There's a federal issue in this case, and it must be a porn ring.  Otherwise the matter would be an issue for the State of California to resolve. 

I wish we had a better "interim" message for those of you in this town right now. The best advice I can offer is (sorry if your direly ill of hearing me say this and your eyes are rolling back in your head) Run your SO registry list and set the email alerts. If you know someone there that you know does not do this or have access and they have kids, offer to run it for them.  If you live in a MHP community (like it or not they are a hotbed for so's for a variety of reasons) call your local PD and find out how to get their asisstance in setting up a neighborhood watch program.  See if there are any grants available to get security cameras etc.

As Jess and anyone on here with experience will tell you, these investigations (child porn) take time. The dragnet can be very far reaching. As I think I said earlier it takes a minimum of about 30 days to get certain warrants that would be needed. They are not that easy to get, the burden is pretty high to clandestinely cloak a person's computer or ISP, and in most cases a task force is formed and again that takes time. The good news is, the FBI is HIGHLY successful in these efforts, and if we are serious about a major crackdown on these freaks, this is the only way to protect our children in the long term.

What happened to Sandra, Melissa Huckaby and the explanation so far, is such an extreme rarity in criminal history. I have been "schooled" in the possibility of a lone female predator, but I do not believe she acted alone in the motives of her deeds to the first child, or to Sandra, and I believe she will talk. Much will be learned from the post arrest behavior of the peripherals in this case, including the Lawless family dynamic.

JMHO
Blink  

[JessStar]

Regarding the "porn ring" probable connection, you know, if there is any silver lining in this, it's that Sandra's passing will save other children from suffering at the hands of these monsters and her passing will not be in vain.  It's a crying shame that it so often takes something as tragic as this to serve as a wake up call. But it does.  And it will likely happen again.

I'm going to go on a soap box for a second, but bear with me, please, because there's a strong message here.  You know, when Sandra first went missing, people tried to put together a reward fund.  A very laudable goal.  It started off as a mere pittance, but over the course of several days, the fund grew to something like $25K--I can't remember the exact figure, but it wasn't really a lot of money.  But it was something, and I applauded the effort.

Well, one day while reading the California news looking for updates on Sandra, I came across a news story that discussed how someone was going around shooting condors.  A reward fund was set up to catch the person or persons responsible and, overnight, the fund grew to over $40,000.  I remember thinking to myself, WOW. . . How can that be?  How can someone care so much more about condors than this missing little girl, Sandra?  I still don't have the answer.  Yes, I value all life.  Yes I think it's terrible for someone to be going around killing condors for no apparent reason.  But on the list of priorities, I'd spend my last dollar on the missing child any day of the week.

[nonesuche]

For any on the east coast, Dr Phil's show (airing right now at 9AM) is at least partially about the murder of Sandra.

[no rose colored glasses]

WELCOME AUSSIE

[Blink34]

Regarding the "porn ring" probable connection, you know, if there is any silver lining in this, it's that Sandra's passing will save other children from suffering at the hands of these monsters and her passing will not be in vain.  It's a crying shame that it so often takes something as tragic as this to serve as a wake up call. But it does.  And it will likely happen again.

I'm going to go on a soap box for a second, but bear with me, please, because there's a strong message here.  You know, when Sandra first went missing, people tried to put together a reward fund.  A very laudable goal.  It started off as a mere pittance, but over the course of several days, the fund grew to something like $25K--I can't remember the exact figure, but it wasn't really a lot of money.  But it was something, and I applauded the effort.

Well, one day while reading the California news looking for updates on Sandra, I came across a news story that discussed how someone was going around shooting condors.  A reward fund was set up to catch the person or persons responsible and, overnight, the fund grew to over $40,000.  I remember thinking to myself, WOW. . . How can that be?  How can someone care so much more about condors than this missing little girl, Sandra?  I still don't have the answer.  Yes, I value all life.  Yes I think it's terrible for someone to be going around killing condors for no apparent reason.  But on the list of priorities, I'd spend my last dollar on the missing child any day of the week.

O you said a mouthful.
I agree. The only info I can add to that is that when Leonard offered the family the $10,000 for Sandra's safe return, the spokesperson, later found out to be a felon, advised the family to TURN HIM DOWN FLAT. That floored me. I went to him for help for Sandra, made him promise not to make a circus out of it, he stepped up and then that. As it turns out, Leonard was able to speak to the family directly and they were more than appreciative and gracious in accepting his offer. As it turns out, it is likely Ms. E did not want rewards posted by someone like Leonard because she figured the media attention would unearth her past, which it did. I wonder if she turned away any other similar offers?
B  

[JessStar]

I wish we had a better "interim" message for those of you in this town right now. The best advice I can offer is (sorry if your direly ill of hearing me say this and your eyes are rolling back in your head) Run your SO registry list and set the email alerts. If you know someone there that you know does not do this or have access and they have kids, offer to run it for them.  If you live in a MHP community (like it or not they are a hotbed for so's for a variety of reasons) call your local PD and find out how to get their asisstance in setting up a neighborhood watch program.  See if there are any grants available to get security cameras etc.

As Jess and anyone on here with experience will tell you, these investigations (child porn) take time. The dragnet can be very far reaching. As I think I said earlier it takes a minimum of about 30 days to get certain warrants that would be needed. They are not that easy to get, the burden is pretty high to clandestinely cloak a person's computer or ISP, and in most cases a task force is formed and again that takes time. The good news is, the FBI is HIGHLY successful in these efforts, and if we are serious about a major crackdown on these freaks, this is the only way to protect our children in the long term.

What happened to Sandra, Melissa Huckaby and the explanation so far, is such an extreme rarity in criminal history. I have been "schooled" in the possibility of a lone female predator, but I do not believe she acted alone in the motives of her deeds to the first child, or to Sandra, and I believe she will talk. Much will be learned from the post arrest behavior of the peripherals in this case, including the Lawless family dynamic.

JMHO
Blink  

You're right, Blink.  Just to add my 2 cents, FWIW, the word of the day, week, month, needs to be "patience."  We all want this solved NOW!!  But it takes time to dot all the "I"s and cross all the "T"s.  But they will eventually be dotted and crossed, and JUSTICE will be served.  I agree that MH will talk.  In fact, I strongly believe she's talked already. Maybe not everything, but she's talked.  And while we're all upset to some extent about the gag order, it's a good thing in this case.

While we are all sitting around patiently awaiting JUSTICE, you must remain vigilant.  For those of you with children, watch them.  Please.  Don't take anything for granted.  It takes a mere second for the unthinkable to happen.  Never think "It can't happen to me."  I'm sure many parents of missing children have thought that in the past only to have been proven wrong.  If your child is walking across the street to a friend's house, watch out the front door until you see them enter the home.  Or better yet, walk with them.  Watch them as they walk to the school bus.  Or better yet, walk with them.  Talk to them.  Ask them questions.  Don't let the passage of time erode your resolve.  If you feel that happening, log onto this site and read Stacy's "hear no evil" post, or look at Deenie's recent reminder of why we are here.  Think about the commercial Martina McBride made a while back.  I haven't seen it for a while, but the commercial consisted solely of a camera shot of Martina's face as she carried on a "silly" after-school conversation with her little girl. The message of the commercial was to listen to your children--talk to them--know them.  Know where they are going.  Know who they will be with.  Check in on them.  Show interest in their lives.

Children have remarkable intuitions.  They know when bad things happen.  They learn modesty at a very young age.  But they can't always communicate well.  If your child sends you ANY signals whatsoever that appear to be out of the norm, follow up on them.  Don't be afraid of what the answer might be.  Remember, cancer doesn't heal itself.  To give you an "off the charts" example, I'm aware of a matter in the not so distant past where an 8 year old girl was being molested by her father.  On the outside, she was a typical 8 year old child.  You would have never guessed she was a victim.  You know what triggered her mother to inquire?  The little girl refused to wipe herself and, after some time, refused to change her underwear.  After finally getting the child to talk to her, she learned that this was her daughter's way of trying to solve the problem.

For those of you without children of your own, keep an eye out for others.  I know it's hard to intervene when you see something amiss.  But remember the Kitty Genovese case.  In that case, a young woman was violently attacked and killed outside an apartment complex in New York.  As many as 30 residents witnessed the crime being committed, yet no one called to report it.  The woman could have been saved.  Unfortunately, that happens a lot.  But if you see or hear something suspicious, alert someone.  You could save a child's life.

I know a lot of this is common sense, but it amazes me how often it's not followed.  I was on my way to work the other day and was running a little later than usual.  The road that leads to my office is a 2 lane, well traveled highway with businesses on one side and homes on the other.  As I was driving down the road, I looked to my left and saw a little girl, all of 7 years old, standing on the side of the highway waiting for her school bus.  No parent with her.  You couldn't see her home from the road.  I couldn't believe it.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

[flossy]

You know I am thinking about something and want some opinions.....Does anyone have a reason a little girl would be doped up without it having to do with sexual assault? If a person wanted to kill someone, wouldn't drugging a person and staying with them, I suppose just watching them sleep for 4 hours, wouldn't that be sort of the long way to get the result you are looking for? Especially a child, that more then likely someone was going to notice missing. I honestly cannot think of anything other reason MH drugged that 7 year old child then to do something to her she didn't want known. I doubt she was painting her finger nails,  poor girl! Also, touching a child in "that" area or taking pictures of a naked child will not produce any signs of abuse. This poor little girl was abused by this woman and thankfully she was not killed too. I hope she is getting some therapy, I am sure she needs it.

Also, we honestly do not know when the suitcase was tossed into the pond. It was somewhere between March 27th to April 6th. It could have been 10 days or 10 hours.

FWIW, Tracy, I do not believe there is any reason to drug a child and disappear for 4 hours that is not in some way sexually motivated. Remember, her grandparents called her and probably told her the Police were there. She did not have a choice but to take the child home. The fact that this happened and allegedly there was no abuse strengthens my belief there is more going on here. I know for a fact the FBI is lead on this case now, and that spells porn ring to me.

Well, I wish they would hurry up and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!  I am afraid for the next little girl who becomes a victim.  I still have it in my gut that they are trying to calm the community, and it's either going to stay hush hush or this is the calm before the storm!

I have every belief, sadly, after the fact, that Tracy is under such a microscope from several agencies right now, it is the calm before the storm.
B

It sure is!  There is no turning back now.

[JessStar]

Let this be your inspiration.

[Wyks]

Good evening, Wyks - see that you are a fellow insomniac as well!

Thank you for your lovely welcome the other day - and, yes, I am in Sacramento. In fact, I lived right off of the American River in Gold River for many years. Been here for 20 years now; the first 28 (ugh! hard to admit - getting old) was in Littleton, Colorado. And, talk about a small world - my ex was born/ raised in a tiny town in Nebraska (McCook), where I believe you said you are now. Anyhoooooo - nice to see you again!

O/T

Hi Tams, and you're welcome!  Sorry I missed your post before signing off last night.  A definite night-owl here! 

Ahhhhh Gold River!  Beautiful community!  Gorgeous homes!   I raised my sons just across the road and downstream in Rancho Cordova.    They laff and snicker at what is referred to as a "River" here in Nebraska.  More like a creek compared to the American River, where they spent every free moment.  heeeee!   Do you miss Colorado?  There are no fences here in Nebraska, I don't miss those.   

[no rose colored glasses]

That is a beautiful picture JessStar.

[Edward]

Hi Blink

I wonder if it is rare, a woman attacking in a sexual way.. Or just rare that they get caught.

In Canada at this moment little Tori Victoria 8 years old is taken right out of a public school by a woman.
Nobody knows WHO this woman is..
God only knows what is happening to this child at this moment.
Also women quite frequently are involved in human trafficking of children in Europe and South America and the Caribbean, for purposes out of your worst nightmares. They could care less what happens to these children.
We see one lone action here in Tracy.. Yet, Last year alone I know I did read at least 2 stories of women Selling there children off to males for sex in exchange for money right here inside the united states of America..
Also A story a couple of weeks ago where a teen girl claims 2 women forcibly raped her.. Article claims it happens more often then we think? The crime goes unreported.. Sound familiar ? I am beginning to think it happens far more then we think..
We have just clipped the top of a mountain in this case in Tracy.. It is prolly Bigger then we even know.

jmho

[JessStar]

That is a beautiful picture JessStar.

Thank you Rose. 

[klaasend]

why did I post Sandra's photo right now ?
Because this Cage is for Her ..We all Have to Remember We are Talking about a Innocent Precious Child ..  I say this for One Reason
We can all get caught up in the " data and the who and what and they"

Have to though REMEMBER the Baby that we ARE talking about .. She is SANDRA and not a Statistic .. or just a newspaper article .. 
My post was not meant for anyone in particular, no one - Just to See her Face is enough to keep the energy going .. for Justice .. For Her.
Sandra Cantu 

Thanks Deenie!