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« Reply #1260 on: April 23, 2009, 03:50:54 PM »



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I have to wonder if the handful that go to CRBC aren't linked in a deep dark secret
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« Reply #1261 on: April 23, 2009, 05:03:08 PM »

Maybe it's just ME, Monkeys....
But isn't eerie in an almost KC sort of way, the way in which MH explains (lies) about what happened????  Such ease with lying....I imagine she has been lying for a LONG time.

Hey...
I bet MH and KC....
recognizing themselves as soulmates, may just very well become pen pals (sarcastic comment, sorry).... 
CCCRRRRAAAAZZZZYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Me wonders about possible child porn with KC (Caylee)...
This video just weirds me out to no end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why does she zoom in on Caylee's crotch?????  Watch starting at 1:28
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I have no idea about the video BUT I did want to say I just fell madly in love withe Caylee at 1:48. Oh my gosh, what an angel.
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« Reply #1262 on: April 23, 2009, 05:47:26 PM »

Maybe it's just ME, Monkeys....
But isn't eerie in an almost KC sort of way, the way in which MH explains (lies) about what happened????  Such ease with lying....I imagine she has been lying for a LONG time.

Hey...
I bet MH and KC....
recognizing themselves as soulmates, may just very well become pen pals (sarcastic comment, sorry).... 
CCCRRRRAAAAZZZZYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS
Me wonders about possible child porn with KC (Caylee)...
This video just weirds me out to no end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why does she zoom in on Caylee's crotch?????  Watch starting at 1:28
LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=807kMNkVl0k
I have no idea about the video BUT I did want to say I just fell madly in love withe Caylee at 1:48. Oh my gosh, what an angel.

Caylee was so very cute. Pool little girl. I will never in a million years understand how a mother can look into her child's eyes and take life away.
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« Reply #1263 on: April 23, 2009, 06:03:27 PM »

Maybe it's just ME, Monkeys....
But isn't eerie in an almost KC sort of way, the way in which MH explains (lies) about what happened????  Such ease with lying....I imagine she has been lying for a LONG time.

Hey...
I bet MH and KC....
recognizing themselves as soulmates, may just very well become pen pals (sarcastic comment, sorry).... 
CCCRRRRAAAAZZZZYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS
Me wonders about possible child porn with KC (Caylee)...
This video just weirds me out to no end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why does she zoom in on Caylee's crotch?????  Watch starting at 1:28
LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=807kMNkVl0k
I have no idea about the video BUT I did want to say I just fell madly in love withe Caylee at 1:48. Oh my gosh, what an angel.

Caylee was so very cute. Pool little girl. I will never in a million years understand how a mother can look into her child's eyes and take life away.

Oh God neither will I.
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« Reply #1264 on: April 23, 2009, 09:17:48 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.
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« Reply #1265 on: April 23, 2009, 09:20:09 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.
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« Reply #1266 on: April 23, 2009, 09:21:45 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.

This is it folks, the beginning of the next arrest(s) in this case. Hang On
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« Reply #1267 on: April 23, 2009, 09:32:14 PM »


Yes. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that after 10 days in water Sandra's body might have tears, rips, other damage that might resemble sexual assault because of body bloating QUITE A SLAM TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER IN TRACY IF YOU THINK HE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. I'm saying that Tracy Ca looks like a dry part of the country, that there isn't much water when I look at it on the TV and that I don't know how often the medical examiner there looks at people who are removed after 10 days in water.TRACY IS A FARMING COMMUNITY AND THERE ARE IRRIGATION PONDS AND RIVERS ALL OVER THE PLACE - I'M SURE THE ME WAS TRAINED IN SCHOOL HOW TO EXAMINE A BODY THAT HAS BEEN IN WATER So maybe an expert..from a wetter location...should be called in to make that determination. For the prosecution's case also. Not just for the defense. Because it would suck if the prosecution spends 4 or 5 days pointing out how Sandra was clearly, clearly, clearly sexually assaulted--only to have the defense bring in Cyril Wick and have him say, "No...ANY body pulled out after 10 days in water looks like this." And then back it up with photos.

Would they have some evidence? Sure. "Genital trauma" is the phrase I see being used for the ME of......I guess Tracy...or it may be the county medical examiner. Which means that he sees damage to the genitals. I'm no medical examiner. But where does the gas that builds up inside a human body go when you are decomposing? Would this create tears and rips as the body swells? Is that what he looked it? I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN THE M.E. Was there still anything to look at after 10 days in water? YES I don't know. And until we hear the ME's findings on the stand, and the defense's arguments against it (assuming a plea doesn't come on this)  and the jury comes back, there isn't going to be a legally binding ruling on the matter. So until the evidence is presented......I think my opinion is as good as any one of you here.

Everyone on here seems happy as all get out that no second autopsy is going to be performed. I find that slightly ominous. To me it means the defense spotted something among the ME's findings that they feel happy about. Maybe they final got a chance to look at the ME's photos under Discovery..and liked what they saw. GET REAL

The prosecution has a POWERFUL case for premeditated, cold blooded murder. I worry that they could dilute this part of their case if they bring an accusation of sexual molestation that ends up being disproven easily by the defense. Nail her for murder.

As to whether Sandra Melissa offered a confession and admitted to assaulting Sandra.....I kinda doubt it. Same for finding evidence of assault in the suitcase. In my opinion, this is a person a little bit cold. People are talking about the crying and tears she had in court. I wasn't there. All I saw was what was on TV. I saw the FACIAL EXPRESSION of someone who was "crying"...but I personally did not see any tears.

I'm also concerned that a second person might have been involved in moving the body and hiding it in the drainage pond. I DO AGREE ENTIRELY POSSIBLE MORE ARE INVOLVED IF any molestation occurred, in my opinion, it would have been this second person who did it. But I actually think none occurred. I think the poor kid was just killed cause Melissa couldn't stand seeing some other kid better dressed and prettier than her own.  WOW, I DISAGREE.  HOW DO YOU KNOW HER DAUGHTER ISN'T PRETTIER THAN SANDRA?

Now I'm gonna follow the news. See if I guessed anything right or got it horribly wrong...and I'm gonna leave you folks to this. It's been real. It's not been fun.
Have nice days.

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As I stated in one of my posts...the decision to withdraw the exhumation request probably meant that the defense had some other issue they intended  to advance against the medical examiner's office. As to my knowing more than the medical examiner, I never claimed I did. I said that I had questions. The fault that many people make is to ASSUME a person in a bank, brokerage investment house, or medical examiner's office knows his job because he's got a fancy title...and no one bothers to call him on it if he doesn't know his job. So always ask.

And the defense...as I predicted...is calling the medical examiner's office into serious question. As I said before...if the prosecution pushes an agenda forward that the defense can easily refute, like sexual assault, then the MURDER investigation could suffer. OJ Simpson's murder case died the death of a thousand cuts. By the time it was over the police and the prosecutor's office had lost substantial credibility AND lost the case. The police have already lost credibility on this case. A few other errors and this case could be seriously eroded. I still have the opinion that a second autopsy should have been done....to provide further evidence of sexual assault if nothing else...for those of you who believe this was the motivation.

News story posted two hours ago:

Medical examiner in Cantu case back in spotlight
By MARCUS WOHLSEN Associated Press Writer
Posted: 04/23/2009 03:29:14 PM PDT
Updated: 04/23/2009 05:06:05 PM PDT

SAN FRANCISCO—Though Melissa Huckaby's attorneys plan to withdraw their motion to exhume Sandra Cantu's body, the prosecution and defense remain on a collision course over the forensic evidence from her autopsy.

The defense is attacking the credibility of the pathologist whose findings will be used to support charges that Melissa Huckaby raped the 8-year-old—an allegation that could bring the death penalty if the one-time Sunday school aide is convicted. Huckaby is scheduled to make her second court appearance Friday.

At the center of the conflict is San Joaquin County's chief medical examiner, Dr. Bennet Omalu, who has been in the spotlight before.

The 40-year-old neuropathologist gained national media attention for his research on the damaged brains of dead NFL players.

He is also a government witness in a federal corruption case against his former boss, celebrity pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht, who has earned millions of dollars investigating high-profile deaths, including those of Elvis Presley and JonBenet Ramsey.

In a phone interview with The Associated Press before a judge issued a gag order in the Huckaby case, Public Defender Peter Fox questioned Omalu's objectivity.

Several attorneys in his office have complained that Omalu's opinions in other homicide cases they were defending were biased toward the prosecution, said Fox, who declined to detail specific cases where defense attorneys have questioned Omalu's work.
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Omalu could not comment on Fox's claims because of the gag order, according to a San Joaquin County Sheriff's spokesman.

The coroner's office has not released its report on Sandra's autopsy or announced how she died. But Huckaby's attorneys said in their motion that medical examiners found Sandra had suffered "genital trauma" and that the finding led prosecutors to accuse 28-year-old Huckaby of rape as well as murder.

"It's all based on one person's word," said Fox.

Omalu's former colleagues from his long stint in the coroner's office in Pittsburgh, Pa., described him as a highly intelligent, dedicated pathologist.

"Naturally a defense attorney's job is to attack a doctor because typically victims in homicide cases have died violent deaths," said Mark V. Tranquilli, an Allegheny County deputy district attorney. "His character is among the best."

Melissa Huckaby's attorneys argued that if the defense had no chance to examine Sandra's body, Huckaby would have no way to refute the findings on Sandra's alleged injuries. Fox announced this week that the motion would be withdrawn after Omalu told them he had preserved the relevant tissue samples, which defense experts could also test.

Huckaby was arrested on suspicion of Sandra's murder less than a week after farmworkers found the missing Tracy girl's body stuffed in a suitcase in an irrigation pond earlier this month.

Huckaby was charged days later with murder with three special circumstances: kidnapping, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child and rape with a foreign object. A conviction on any of the three special circumstances would make Huckaby eligible for the death penalty. She has not entered a plea.

Experts said that proving a child was raped based only on forensic evidence has advantages and disadvantages for prosecutors.

"Internal trauma can be telling, especially in a girl this age, because we can make the inference she has not had any recent sexual experience, at least not consensual," said Erin Murphy, a criminal law professor at the University of California, Berkeley School of Law.

At the same time, genital injuries in children can occur during normal childhood activities such as running and jumping, Murphy said.

Prosecutors will also try to use Sandra's DNA as evidence if they have samples from whatever object they will claim Huckaby used to rape the girl, Murphy said.

Omalu has worked as San Joaquin County's chief medical examiner since 2007.

In the eight years before coming to California, he worked for Wecht simultaneously as a pathologist in the coroner's office and for Wecht's private forensics company.

Wecht is currently facing multiple federal counts of fraud and theft. Prosecutors allege that while county coroner, he used public employees and facilities to conduct examinations for his own business.

Last year, Omalu testified that he examined brains for Wecht's private clients while at the morgue.

It was also at the coroner's office that Omalu examined the brain of former Pittsburgh Steelers lineman Terry Long, who killed himself by drinking antifreeze.

Omalu found that Long suffered from chronic brain swelling, or "punch-drunk syndrome," caused by frequent blows to the head during football games. Omalu argued the syndrome led to the depression that ended with Long's suicide.

He has since studied the brains of several other former NFL players who died young. He has gained national attention for pushing the league to acknowledge his claim that football-related head injuries can lead to permanent mental damage.

Omalu received his medical degree from the University of Nigeria College of Medicine in 1991, according to his California medical license. He is currently an adjunct professor of pathology at the University of California, Davis.
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« Reply #1268 on: April 23, 2009, 09:35:52 PM »

There's an article on KCRA that discusses the defense's planned attack on the Tracy Medical Examiner.  http://www.kcra.com/news/19265920/detail.html

Let me tell you, I am VERY familiar with Cyril Wecht.  Don't believe everything you read about his "fraud and theft" charges.  They are VERY politically motivated.  The case has been  back and forth and back and forth in different courts and the general consensus has been that the case should have been dropped long ago.  Also, I've never heard anything about Omalu's inability to be objective.  This is more gamesmanship by a desperate defense that, well, has no defense.  In my opinion anyway.  They're doing what they should do--attack the rape charge to try to get the death penalty out.  But will it do it?  No, because kidnapping is a special circumstance too.  This woman's goose is cooked--it's only a matter of time.


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« Reply #1269 on: April 23, 2009, 09:36:54 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.

Surprise surprise..   

Thanks Tracygirl! 
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« Reply #1270 on: April 23, 2009, 09:38:53 PM »

Serenity, I dont see you validating a prediction any of us with a legal background did not take for granted would occur. This is common legal strategy, SOP.

It goes on in almost every murder case and is anticipated by both sides.
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« Reply #1271 on: April 23, 2009, 09:41:28 PM »

There's an article on KCRA that discusses the defense's planned attack on the Tracy Medical Examiner.  http://www.kcra.com/news/19265920/detail.html

Let me tell you, I am VERY familiar with Cyril Wecht.  Don't believe everything you read about his "fraud and theft" charges.  They are VERY politically motivated.  The case has been  back and forth and back and forth in different courts and the general consensus has been that the case should have been dropped long ago.  Also, I've never heard anything about Omalu's inability to be objective.  This is more gamesmanship by a desperate defense that, well, has no defense.  In my opinion anyway.  They're doing what they should do--attack the rape charge to try to get the death penalty out.  But will it do it?  No, because kidnapping is a special circumstance too.  This woman's goose is cooked--it's only a matter of time.




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« Reply #1272 on: April 23, 2009, 09:42:56 PM »

Serenity, I dont see you validating a prediction any of us with a legal background did not take for granted would occur. This is common legal strategy, SOP.

It goes on in almost every murder case and is anticipated by both sides.

Absolutely right, Blink. I suppose we should also mention, Serenity, that they are getting an opportunity to conduct a second autopsy.  This may come as a surprise to you, but having an opportunity to conduct testing on pathology samples constitutes an autopsy.

Tell you what, I'll beat you to the punch.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that the defense pathologist will say that Sandra wasn't raped. . . .
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« Reply #1273 on: April 23, 2009, 09:44:56 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.

Surprise surprise..   

Thanks Tracygirl! 


I wish I could remember the name of the church they gave and the city in Washington. Did you run across this in your investigation? (it was you, right that did all that research in Washington state?)
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« Reply #1274 on: April 23, 2009, 09:46:25 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.

Surprise surprise..   

Thanks Tracygirl! 


I wish I could remember the name of the church they gave and the city in Washington. Did you run across this in your investigation? (it was you, right that did all that research in Washington state?)

Do you mean this one?  http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html
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« Reply #1275 on: April 23, 2009, 09:48:49 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.

Surprise surprise..   

Thanks Tracygirl! 


I wish I could remember the name of the church they gave and the city in Washington. Did you run across this in your investigation? (it was you, right that did all that research in Washington state?)

Do you mean this one?  http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

Sorry, I meant to include this:

Pastor Lane Lawless was saved in Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960.  He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee
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« Reply #1276 on: April 23, 2009, 09:50:34 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.

Surprise surprise..   

Thanks Tracygirl! 


I wish I could remember the name of the church they gave and the city in Washington. Did you run across this in your investigation? (it was you, right that did all that research in Washington state?)

Do you mean this one?  http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

I do not think it was that church in Washington, I will look up churches in Washington, maybe if I see it, it will ring a bell.
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« Reply #1277 on: April 23, 2009, 09:58:57 PM »

Don't have a link, there is not one yet, but KCRA reported the FBI visited a church in Washington State in relation to  the Clover Baptist church leader Paster Lawless. Apparently he had been investigated at one time for child abuse at this church. KCRA said more news regarding this later this evening.

Surprise surprise..   

Thanks Tracygirl! 


I wish I could remember the name of the church they gave and the city in Washington. Did you run across this in your investigation? (it was you, right that did all that research in Washington state?)

Do you mean this one?  http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

http://www.ewfbc.org/   

This is the web link to the East Wenatchee (sp)  Baptist church.  Not much of a website.....sort of like clover roads. 
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« Reply #1278 on: April 23, 2009, 10:02:16 PM »

http://www.kcra.com/news/19266204/detail.html

Here is a link to a story, I have not read it
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« Reply #1279 on: April 23, 2009, 10:03:23 PM »

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Please go to the thread and post your birthday wishes for her.  It's her day to shine!
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