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Topic: Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09 (Read 444908 times)
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Blink34 on April 26, 2009, 08:51:12 AM
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Lots of new information here to digest. Thanks so much to everyone for the news links. A special thanks to all the Monkey researchers for their diligence. Whew...all those pedophiles, cloaking their evil behind the doors of "religion." Makes my skin crawl. Those lists of names that go on and on. The scope of this horror. Unbelievable.
I guess I'm showing my ignorance here about LE and the child porn business, but a couple of things I'm wondering about. Okay, we already know that LE confiscated the computer from Melissa's grandfather's home. I realize the contents are evidence and under the gag order, but how influential is the (potential) information in this case at this point?
If LE did find child porn on the computer, would that explain the further investigations we're reading about? Yet, LE has said they believe Melissa acted alone. If there was child porn though, (and if Sandra's death WAS the tip of the iceberg) how could they really say that? Could that be just a "cover" to keep the pedophiles off guard while LE tries to unravel it all?
However, if the child porn was there, Melissa's grandfather is certainly aware that LE knows it by now. So wouldn't he be sending that information to all his cronies anyway?
Suppose there was nothing found on the computer, could he still be heavily involved in child porn? Is there a way for it to be distributed big time without use of the Internet? Can they still hide their involvement in other ways?
I keep thinking some of this should be a slam-dunk. If it's on his computer, he's toast. Am I correct to believe that his computer is going to make or break him?
I appreciate any thoughts on this. However, if it's already been addressed before this, I apologize. I have missed a few other things already and have had to go back and recheck various posts.
(By the way, thank you, Cookie and k9ohana, for your kind words about my last post when I compared my then eight year old daughter to Sandra. I appreciate it! Sandra's death haunts me for so many reasons, on so many levels. For her sake, we HAVE to obtain justice for Sandra...
Good Morning! Looks like yesterday was a pretty busy day! Thanks to all for the informative posts, and to Klaas and the other mods that took care of business yesterday. Nice job, and a sincere thank you for that.
JT, I'll try to take a crack at answering your questions. I believe at this point that LE may not have any evidence that Sandra was a victim of child pornography on March 27th when the unthinkable happened to her. Perhaps that was the ultimate intent--we just don't know. But I think that if the link was there, i.e., they found media, then MH would have been charged. So, as far as SANDRA goes, there's probably insufficient evidence at this point that she was a child porn victim ON MARCH 27th. That's why LE keeps saying that MH acted alone with regard to this particular crime.
However, I strongly believe that, during the course of this investigation, LE uncovered a child porn ring. I use "uncovered" loosely because, based on what I read, they've known about it for quite some time. Sandra just ignited the fire and now LE can't bury their collective heads in the sand or look past the 60 ton elephant in the room any longer. IMHO, all of the "Lawless" characters are involved. I'm sure if LE found child porn on Lawless' computer, they found a lot of other things too--perhaps emails, or whatever others methods these demons use in their business, that can provide links to the cast of characters. I took a CLE (continuing legal education seminar) about 6 months ago on computer forensic analysis. In can't even begin to explain it, but it's absolutely amazing what these people can do. And it's amazing what your computer tracks that you don't know about and, without special forensic tools, can't even access. Suffice it to say that not only does the "delete" key not delete files from your computer, those "disk washing" programs don't eliminate the traces either. It's there, and it's there for good. The only way you can get rid of it is to physically destroy the media.
Simply put, the law will require the state to prove that Lane Lawless was in possession of child pornography. (Just one of many crimes he may ultimately face, but the one I'll use to make my point). It's a crime that requires proof of the intent to possess. In other words, just because the images or what have you appear on his computer doesn't mean HE possessed them. The problem (and it may not be a big one), is linking SOMEONE to what's on that Lawless computer. There were several members of the Lawless household (Connie, Lane, MH and a host of others at some point) each of whom could have had access to that computer. You can see where I'm going with that. They may eventually be able to make the connection to one or more of them. But that will take more digging, probably beyond the contents of his computer. So, while on the one hand the his computer may "make or break" him (because that will provide the best evidence that a CRIME was committed (ie, the media itself)), whether it's a "slam dunk" depends on how strongly they can link HIM or SOMEONE to the media. Let me say this--I felt a pit in my stomach when I read the post by Deenie or one of the other Monkeys about one of the other pastors making a post on Lawless' webpage that said something like "I enjoy your work." I wonder what "work" he's referring to. Sometimes those innocent sounding comments have a very sinister meaning.
Now, having said all that, let me make this observation, and I'm going to go out on a limb for a second and *gulp* defend the Tracy PD. The FBI was very quick to swoop in when Sandra went missing. That was very telling to me because there was no federal component to the "expected crime," nor to the crimes MH has been charged with, and there still isn't. They are all crimes against the state. So there had to be a Federal reason why the FBI swooped in the way it did--and based on what we all know now, child porn fits. It's a federal crime. I wouldn't doubt if the FBI has been driving the child porn investigation in Tracy for quite some time, and that the FBI directed the Tracy PD to "back off" so that it would not in any way hinder or hurt the investigation. That's the extent of my defense--I still strongly feel that this crime could have been prevented if it had undertaken just a CURSORY investigation into the January drugging incident.
Morning Monkeys, awesome to be back on track, thanks Mods and Uber Mod Klaasend.
I am going to agree with Jess Post, but caveat by saying I do believe Tracy PD did not take the Jan 17th drugging seriously enough and judged the situation by the Mother in their opinion and that has turned out to be dead wrong. For me, that is the crux of the argument that Sandra's death was preventable. I'm never getting past that and there needs to be some serious protocol reform. I am not ready to villafy Det. Cogburn singly on the issue until there is more information on it, however.
By protocol, the FBI should be in asisst mode for a state case as this one. They are not. They are lead. The fact that they questioned the pastor in Clarkston cemented that for me. Even if the FBI were asissting simply for resource amp up, the detectives on Sandra's case would have made that trip. They did not.
I think at this point the gag order is the best option for the perps that may be on the fringe of this case, as much as I hate the lack of info. Child Porn investigations are highly complex, take time, and they will keep at it until they are reasonably sure they have everyone in the dragnet.
Lastly, I think Melissa is talking with the FBI and working on a deal; thus the continuance on her arraignment. I cant say if the porn ring or other is directly tied to Sandra's murder, but I feel pretty certain it is associated with her motivations.
Anyone find it odd that MH Mother and Pastor Lawless were not in court?
Blink, I agree with you 100%. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for the Tracy PD's failure to fully investigate the January incident. I don't, can't and won't "forgive" them for that.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Blink34 on April 26, 2009, 08:56:53 AM
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Fellow Monkeys--humor me for a moment. Let me know what you think of this.
A lot has come out about MH's past over the last week or so. We now know pretty clearly that this individual was not the God-fearing, soft spoken, Sunday School teacher everyone thought she was. On the contrary, the picture I get is one of a very disturbed individual who is quite vindictive. For example, the arsons she has been connected with appear to be vindictive. Vindication and revenge seem to explain her past actions and appear to be engrained in her character.
Therefore, I'm left wondering whether this was a crime of vindication. In other words, is it a "sex crime" in the traditional sense (i.e., a crime committed to further one's prurient interests), or a vindictive crime that has a sexual component? There are numerous reasons why MH would want to exact revenge. It could be she was abused as a child. Perhaps she was "acting out." It could be that everyone was very fond of Sandra and she was jealous of that. There are a bunch of posts a few days back that discuss the mental aspects of one's past that can drive a person to commit a vengeful act like this.
So, what do you think? Am I off base here?
For me, the earlier Jan drugging/alleged kidnapping makes me feel pretty strongly there is a sexual motivation vs. vindictive, although you may be right about that being a trigger for Huckaby for things done to her. I am seeing the emotional issues like y'all, but I think it's more. DD Gypsy posted "something wicked this way comes" and I am leaning in that direction, especially after researching some things I found yesterday after a link posted by Lone Monkey.
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Yeah, Blink, you're probably right. I read Gypsy's post. I just can't get my head to accept it. The anger I feel inside over all of this is like nothing I've ever experienced.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: JessStar on April 26, 2009, 07:57:07 AM
Fellow Monkeys--humor me for a moment. Let me know what you think of this.
A lot has come out about MH's past over the last week or so. We now know pretty clearly that this individual was not the God-fearing, soft spoken, Sunday School teacher everyone thought she was. On the contrary, the picture I get is one of a very disturbed individual who is quite vindictive. For example, the arsons she has been connected with appear to be vindictive. Vindication and revenge seem to explain her past actions and appear to be engrained in her character.
Therefore, I'm left wondering whether this was a crime of vindication. In other words, is it a "sex crime" in the traditional sense (i.e., a crime committed to further one's prurient interests), or a vindictive crime that has a sexual component? There are numerous reasons why MH would want to exact revenge. It could be she was abused as a child. Perhaps she was "acting out." It could be that everyone was very fond of Sandra and she was jealous of that. There are a bunch of posts a few days back that discuss the mental aspects of one's past that can drive a person to commit a vengeful act like this.
So, what do you think? Am I off base here?
I have been wondering this myself, that Melissa took out all her rage on Sandra, and that she did all the things she did to Sandra because of revenge. But the only thing that makes me stop and reconsider this is, if there are drugs in Sandra's body, why would you drug the child and then do what you did, you would think she would have wanted Sandra fully aware of what she was doing to her?
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: no rose colored glasses on April 26, 2009, 10:19:44 AM
Quote from: JessStar on April 26, 2009, 07:57:07 AM
Fellow Monkeys--humor me for a moment. Let me know what you think of this.
A lot has come out about MH's past over the last week or so. We now know pretty clearly that this individual was not the God-fearing, soft spoken, Sunday School teacher everyone thought she was. On the contrary, the picture I get is one of a very disturbed individual who is quite vindictive. For example, the arsons she has been connected with appear to be vindictive. Vindication and revenge seem to explain her past actions and appear to be engrained in her character.
Therefore, I'm left wondering whether this was a crime of vindication. In other words, is it a "sex crime" in the traditional sense (i.e., a crime committed to further one's prurient interests), or a vindictive crime that has a sexual component? There are numerous reasons why MH would want to exact revenge. It could be she was abused as a child. Perhaps she was "acting out." It could be that everyone was very fond of Sandra and she was jealous of that. There are a bunch of posts a few days back that discuss the mental aspects of one's past that can drive a person to commit a vengeful act like this.
So, what do you think? Am I off base here?
I have been wondering this myself, that Melissa took out all her rage on Sandra, and that she did all the things she did to Sandra because of revenge. But the only thing that makes me stop and reconsider this is, if there are drugs in Sandra's body, why would you drug the child and then do what you did, you would think she would have wanted Sandra fully aware of what she was doing to her?
Yeah, that's a good question Rose and the answer doesn't seem to fit at first glance. But drugging her would have made Sandra completely submissive and put MH in total control. Lunatics like MH often use drugs for that purpose because the victim can't fight back. Also, while I think it's very likely she drugged Sandra, we don't know at this point that Sandra was, in fact, drugged.
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Lastly, I think Melissa is talking with the FBI and working on a deal; thus the continuance on her arraignment. I cant say if the porn ring or other is directly tied to Sandra's murder, but I feel pretty certain it is associated with her motivations.
Sure looks that way, Blink. A big part of me hopes and prays that is the case so that Justice for Sandra can come SOON and the Cantu/Chavez family and start trying to put all of this horror behind them instead of being reminded of it over and over and over again through the media and ultimately a trial, and all the details can remain private and under seal.
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wow! while I was off extreme spring cleaning yesterday you guys were very busy in the cage, lots of research and banning!
I have to agree with most of you, those Elder Tuck videos turned my tummy too. And now, where is that little girl from the videos? Did he raise her and how old would she be by now? When I saw he is in the Plilippines, my first thought was that guy John Mark Carr, he's the guy who claimed to have killed JBR. IIRC, didn't they bring him to the States from the Philippines?
and thanks BLINK for all you do!! Those web sluts, oh I mean so called web sloooths over there wish they had you on their site!! Maybe I'll send that chick a hat, so she can eat it
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Huckaby theories multiply
At times, it seems like everyone has a take on suspect in Cantu case
By Scott Smith
Record Staff Writer
April 26, 2009 6:00 AM
As each fact surfaces from Melissa Huckaby's past, so does a new question.
Police accuse her of raping and murdering Sandra Cantu, 8, last month in a crime that in itself that defies logic. Statistically, women don't do that. Men do.
Add to that court files that tell of shoplifting, out of control hospital bills and a restraining order she took out against a man. Old friends from Southern California reportedly accuse her of starting fires, threatening suicide and cutting herself.
Could she have swallowed razor blades?
The story of this suspect, whose next court hearing is scheduled for May 22, may rewrite psychology textbooks.
Until the experts are done sifting through her life, almost everybody has a theory.
Oakland attorney Daniel Horowitz says it's Munchausen syndrome, the name of a disorder for people who hurt themselves to gain attention.
"You can translate it into, 'I need lots of attention. I need to be treated like a baby,' " he said.
To support this theory, Horowitz points to the $10,000 hospital bills that caused Sutter Tracy Community Hospital to sue her. She was reportedly in the hospital complaining of stomach pains shortly before her arrest, Horowitz said.
Forensic psychologist Paul S.D. Berg, who has watched reports of Huckaby's case, concluded that Huckaby suffers from borderline personality disorder.
This is characterized by people who often have tumultuous personal relationships. Unlike most people's response to stress, borderline personalty types hurt themselves or others. They turn inward and mutilate themselves or lash out to hurt others.
"They break down and can't handle it and act out in extraordinary ways," Berg said. "Instead of killing Cantu, she could have cut herself up."
The movies "Fatal Attraction" and "Play Misty for Me" are pop-culture examples often cited for having characters suffering from borderline personality syndrome.
The picture of a cold child abuser and killer doesn't fit with that of the sweet Sunday school teacher and mother Huckaby's friends and family have painted in recent weeks. Her grandmother, Connie Lawless, said Huckaby would never hurt a child.
Gregg McCrary, a retired FBI profiler based in Virginia, said the case reminds him of Dennis Rader, the Kansas serial killer known as the BTK killer.
Rader is now serving 10 consecutive life terms for his murders.
For decades he raised a family and was a church deacon before he became a suspect in the series of murders.
McCrary said some killers are able to compartmentalize their gruesome crimes while attempting to carry on seemingly normal lives.
"They have in many ways justified their behavior," he said. "So they're dealing with it; they're living with it. It's just who they are."
Staff writer Daniel Thigpen contributed to this story.
Contact reporter Scott Smith at (209) 546-8296 or
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090426/A_NEWS/904260324
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: Blink34 on April 26, 2009, 08:51:12 AM
I think at this point the gag order is the best option for the perps that may be on the fringe of this case, as much as I hate the lack of info.
Child Porn investigations are highly complex, take time, and they will keep at it until they are reasonably sure they have everyone in the dragnet.
Hi ya Blinker... Good morning... I saw this and had to comment - hope ya don't mind. I also snipped and clipped alot of the other information in the posts.
Bold in black by me-
You absolutely right that child porn investigations are highly complex. And it does take a lot of time to unravel who sent what to whom and who received what. Then there is the whole international thing. It does take time. I completely agree. Interpol handles alot of this and they have an entire section of their website devoted to human slavery, crimes against women and, ofcourse, child porn
Here's where I disagree. If you recall during the Maddy McCann investigation were approximately 700 child porn predators rounded up. You know, the usual suspects. I think that was the right move. Who knows what would have shaken out. That was Europe wide. Now I have no problem rounding up EUROPEANS as they have no Constitutional rights. That's just for Americans and Al-Qaida terror suspects now. They're not afforded those rights in Europe from undue search and seizure, unless you include articles under the Magna Carta. And that's really sketchy unto itself.
My biggest problem with child porn investigations is you will often hear when the major announcement is made -
this investigation took 18 months to unravel.
Blah blah blah. I have a hard time understand how any investigation could take 18 months and there be any justification for not stopping whatever it is you find in it's tracks on DAY ONE. How many more kids were abused during that 18 months? Countless I'm sure and the cycle repeats itself all over again.
The prey become the predators and the dregs caught go to jail. It doesn't make sense to me. And maybe it's not supposed too.
In Maddy's case there was a child porn ring operating right in Praia De Luz and even formal suspect Robert "Wonky Eye" Murat knew all about it and told the police. That promptly got him in hot water and his close business associate Sergei Malinka wiped out quite a few hard drives as the police kicked in the door. He was able to do it quickly because he was a computer expert from Russia -> (juss sayin you know, wink wink nod nod)
These child porn rings are worldwide and would be galaxy wide if the ability to travel vast distances was discovered. These predators can't be stopped and the reciticism rate is upwards of 80+ percent.
I just don't see how any law enforcement agency can sit by, continue an investigation, all the while knowing a child is being abused in their effort to collect more data and evidence.
Mind boggling.
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Excellent post Rob. I agree with everything you said.
The laws of the land
must
be changed
somehow, someway
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As soon as there is a victim or victims, the law goes into high gear protecting the rights of the a$$holes who committed the crime. I realize that "they" have their rights, but for how long???? The victim(s) are gone,
what about their rights
and the others who are getting ready to be pounced on and don't even know it.....just makes me sick.....i hope i am making sense here....
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Quote from: danabar on April 26, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
Excellent post Rob. I agree with everything you said.
The laws of the land
must
be changed
somehow, someway
.
As soon as there is a victim or victims, the law goes into high gear protecting the rights of the a$$holes who committed the crime. I realize that "they" have their rights, but for how long???? The victim(s) are gone,
what about their rights
and the others who are getting ready to be pounced on and don't even know it.....just makes me sick.....i hope i am making sense here....
I totally agree, you always hear, the defendant and fair trial, well yes they do deserve a fair trail. But by bending over backwards for the defendant to have a fair trial, a lot of times the victim and the victim's family gets lost in all of it.
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Quote from: no rose colored glasses on April 26, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: danabar on April 26, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
Excellent post Rob. I agree with everything you said.
The laws of the land
must
be changed
somehow, someway
.
As soon as there is a victim or victims, the law goes into high gear protecting the rights of the a$$holes who committed the crime. I realize that "they" have their rights, but for how long???? The victim(s) are gone,
what about their rights
and the others who are getting ready to be pounced on and don't even know it.....just makes me sick.....i hope i am making sense here....
I totally agree, you always hear, the defendant and fair trial, well yes they do deserve a fair trail. But by bending over backwards for the defendant to have a fair trial, a lot of times the victim and the victim's family gets lost in all of it.
with the autopsy results not being released - that allows Melissa Huckaby additional "cooling off time" and time to pass from her crime to the trial.
Now, I'm glad on one hand the autopsy is not being released. But let's call it what it is - it's "cooling off time" and not preserving the feeling and emotions of Sandra's family. And quite frankly if the State is so concerned about their feelings - well, that's not how law works. I think we all know that.
This case is the State of California v Melissa Huckaby. Not Mr. and Mrs. Cantu v Melissa Huckably.
When a judge searches for such a foolish explanation for a decision it doesn't bode well for people who care about crime victims.
The judge told the real reason for non-disclosure - "PUBLIC OUTRAGE". So, let's not candy coat what happened to Sandra. She was a member of society murdered by another member of society and Sandra should be afforded her equal and fair rights. Outrage be dammed.
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Quote from: Rob on April 26, 2009, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on April 26, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: danabar on April 26, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
Excellent post Rob. I agree with everything you said.
The laws of the land
must
be changed
somehow, someway
.
As soon as there is a victim or victims, the law goes into high gear protecting the rights of the a$$holes who committed the crime. I realize that "they" have their rights, but for how long???? The victim(s) are gone,
what about their rights
and the others who are getting ready to be pounced on and don't even know it.....just makes me sick.....i hope i am making sense here....
I totally agree, you always hear, the defendant and fair trial, well yes they do deserve a fair trail. But by bending over backwards for the defendant to have a fair trial, a lot of times the victim and the victim's family gets lost in all of it.
with the autopsy results not being released - that allows Melissa Huckaby additional "cooling off time" and time to pass from her crime to the trial.
Now, I'm glad on one hand the autopsy is not being released. But let's call it what it is - it's "cooling off time" and not preserving the feeling and emotions of Sandra's family. And quite frankly if the State is so concerned about their feelings - well, that's not how law works. I think we all know that.
This case is the State of California v Melissa Huckaby. Not Mr. and Mrs. Cantu v Melissa Huckably.
When a judge searches for such a foolish explanation for a decision it doesn't bode well for people who care about crime victims.
The judge told the real reason for non-disclosure - "PUBLIC OUTRAGE". So, let's not candy coat what happened to Sandra. She was a member of society murdered by another member of society and Sandra should be afforded her equal and fair rights. Outrage be dammed.
Exactly!
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Quote from: klaasend on April 26, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
Serenity is banned. I'm not in the mood after everything that went on today to play her argumentative games.
Thank you! Those graphic descriptions were not necessary, and very disturbing.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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Quote from: danabar on April 26, 2009, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rob on April 26, 2009, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on April 26, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: danabar on April 26, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
Excellent post Rob. I agree with everything you said.
The laws of the land
must
be changed
somehow, someway
.
As soon as there is a victim or victims, the law goes into high gear protecting the rights of the a$$holes who committed the crime. I realize that "they" have their rights, but for how long???? The victim(s) are gone,
what about their rights
and the others who are getting ready to be pounced on and don't even know it.....just makes me sick.....i hope i am making sense here....
I totally agree, you always hear, the defendant and fair trial, well yes they do deserve a fair trail. But by bending over backwards for the defendant to have a fair trial, a lot of times the victim and the victim's family gets lost in all of it.
with the autopsy results not being released - that allows Melissa Huckaby additional "cooling off time" and time to pass from her crime to the trial.
Now, I'm glad on one hand the autopsy is not being released. But let's call it what it is - it's "cooling off time" and not preserving the feeling and emotions of Sandra's family. And quite frankly if the State is so concerned about their feelings - well, that's not how law works. I think we all know that.
This case is the State of California v Melissa Huckaby. Not Mr. and Mrs. Cantu v Melissa Huckably.
When a judge searches for such a foolish explanation for a decision it doesn't bode well for people who care about crime victims.
The judge told the real reason for non-disclosure - "PUBLIC OUTRAGE". So, let's not candy coat what happened to Sandra. She was a member of society murdered by another member of society and Sandra should be afforded her equal and fair rights. Outrage be dammed.
Exactly!
let's just call her what she is - A Monster.
Sealing records does not diminish would truly occurred.
If a judge is so narrow minded that he / she believes that putting a lid on it, buttoning it all up, wrapping it in Saran wrap is going to make one bit of difference - that judge is sorely mistaken.
This is simple - Melissa Huckaby was granted a reprieve (unjustly, in my opinion) due to the fact some bleeding heart felt her day in court could possibly be compromised. Plain and simple. Wonder if others in her shoes got the same reprieve?
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 26, 2009, 12:34:11 PM »
snip Rob's post:
This is simple - Melissa Huckaby was granted a reprieve (unjustly, in my opinion) due to the fact some bleeding heart felt her day in court could possibly be compromised. Plain and simple. Wonder if others in her shoes got the same reprieve?
Hey Rob, good thoughts and posts,
I wonder if the bleeding heart's child was murdered like Sandra was, would they still feel the same way about MH? Would they be so concerned about her getting her day in court? I think not...
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 26, 2009, 12:38:20 PM »
Quote from: cookie on April 26, 2009, 12:34:11 PM
snip Rob's post:
This is simple - Melissa Huckaby was granted a reprieve (unjustly, in my opinion) due to the fact some bleeding heart felt her day in court could possibly be compromised. Plain and simple. Wonder if others in her shoes got the same reprieve?
Hey Rob, good thoughts and posts,
I wonder if the bleeding heart's child was murdered like Sandra was, would they still feel the same way about MH? Would they be so concerned about her getting her day in court? I think not...
Ca is a very liberal state, not were I live in Orange County down in SoCa, but rest assured a bleeding heart was involved.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 26, 2009, 12:42:56 PM »
Quote from: Rob on April 26, 2009, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: danabar on April 26, 2009, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rob on April 26, 2009, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: no rose colored glasses on April 26, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: danabar on April 26, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
Excellent post Rob. I agree with everything you said.
The laws of the land
must
be changed
somehow, someway
.
As soon as there is a victim or victims, the law goes into high gear protecting the rights of the a$$holes who committed the crime. I realize that "they" have their rights, but for how long???? The victim(s) are gone,
what about their rights
and the others who are getting ready to be pounced on and don't even know it.....just makes me sick.....i hope i am making sense here....
I totally agree, you always hear, the defendant and fair trial, well yes they do deserve a fair trail. But by bending over backwards for the defendant to have a fair trial, a lot of times the victim and the victim's family gets lost in all of it.
with the autopsy results not being released - that allows Melissa Huckaby additional "cooling off time" and time to pass from her crime to the trial.
Now, I'm glad on one hand the autopsy is not being released. But let's call it what it is - it's "cooling off time" and not preserving the feeling and emotions of Sandra's family. And quite frankly if the State is so concerned about their feelings - well, that's not how law works. I think we all know that.
This case is the State of California v Melissa Huckaby. Not Mr. and Mrs. Cantu v Melissa Huckably.
When a judge searches for such a foolish explanation for a decision it doesn't bode well for people who care about crime victims.
The judge told the real reason for non-disclosure - "PUBLIC OUTRAGE". So, let's not candy coat what happened to Sandra. She was a member of society murdered by another member of society and Sandra should be afforded her equal and fair rights. Outrage be dammed.
Exactly!
let's just call her what she is - A Monster.
Sealing records does not diminish would truly occurred.
If a judge is so narrow minded that he / she believes that putting a lid on it, buttoning it all up, wrapping it in Saran wrap is going to make one bit of difference - that judge is sorely mistaken.
This is simple - Melissa Huckaby was granted a reprieve (unjustly, in my opinion) due to the fact some bleeding heart felt her day in court could possibly be compromised. Plain and simple. Wonder if others in her shoes got the same reprieve?
Rob
ITA!! Her day is coming. Not soon enough as far as I am concerned. I also think that if the Jan. incident was propely investagated, Little Sandra may very well be here today. That's was is most troubling for me.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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April 26, 2009, 12:47:32 PM »
Quote from: momoftwins on April 26, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
Rob
ITA!! Her day is coming. Not soon enough as far as I am concerned.
I also think that if the Jan. incident was propely investagated, Little Sandra may very well be here today
. That's was is most troubling for me.
momoftwins
- right, what kind of LE agency brushes off a crime where a child is confirmed drugged? In a worse case scenario Melissa Huckaby should have been been charged with neglect for allow a sedative / muscle relaxant to be consumed by a child.
Just because someone wears a badge, that doesn't alone make them competent.
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Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #3
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What's so troubling about the January incident (beside the fact that it occurred) against the 7 year old was the POLICE WERE ALERTED. The police did not uncover this crime. It was dropped on the doorstep and they still dropped the ball.
It wasn't as if the crime resulted from an investigation. An investigation was launched AFTER the fact and still there was nothing done.
The police didn't do a competent job here. That's an understatement, to say the least.
If the police can't handle when a crime is reported - how competent are their own investigations into crimes?
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