Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Tams]

Ok Monkeys
I think this is the correct birth dates and places:
Connie Lane Lawless - 8/6/1941 - Tracy, CA
Clifford Lane Lawless - 7/7/1917 - Indianapolis, IN

*Could Lane really be BOTH of their middle names?

Not to mention . . .if those are accurate birthdays, that would make "Pastor" Gramps 42 when he married Connie, age 18 (they were married in April of 1960) . . . certainly fits in with the liking them young thing . . .

[Wyks]

Remember Monkeys
As we research the Pastor and his wife...
They seem to go by some alias'.
For example:
Clifford Lane Lawless
Lane Lawless
Clane Lawless
Connie L. Lawless

*Both the pastor and his wife have the same initials CLL.  It would be interesting to find out what Connie's middle name is.

You were reading my mind LM.  You won't believe this:

LAWLESS, CONNIE LANE
LAWLESS, CONNIE L
(DOB: 08/1941)
(Age: 67)       
812 W CLOVER RD SPC 57
TRACY, CA 95376-1712
(02/1996-Current)
Mobile Home Site Operator
(02/1996-Current)

57 SPACE
TRACY, CA 95376
(04/1996)

434 W BEVERLY PL
TRACY, CA 95376-3011
(03/1993)

827 CHIPPEWA WAY
LIVERMORE, CA 94551-1642
(10/1990)

424 W BEVERLY PL
TRACY, CA 95376-3011
(10/1985)
 

So she is like the resident Manager?   
Foster Parent
Resident Manager

What Next?

According to the article that Northern Rose found, guess we could add "Children's Issues Advisor".  Kind of skeeered to know what might be found next.   

Foster Parent
Resident Manager ?
Children's Issues Advisor

[lonemonkey]

Snipped:
"Connie Lawless was elected to San Joaquin Valley's Republican Central Committee in 2006 and lost a re-election bid two years later, according to the county registrar of voters."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/11/BANH1713V5.DTL&tsp=1

[Tracygirl]

I wonder if you get a child from lets say, the Philippians, do you still need to have the license? Can you foster a child from another country?

I don't think she is the site manager either of the MHP. I can ask a friend, but I don't think so.

[Wyks]

Wyks I was so afraid to look because in doing all the research Sandra is very much in my mind and I think that is what scared me worst of all.  I can tell you though that the first thing I saw was not a face.  I am 54 myself and still I wa sshocked.  Anyway I think it is odd that it mentioned Maryland and earlier today someone I think it was Northern Rose or No Rose posted a news clipping that mentioned Pastor Lawless had a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  Isn't that odd.

Lonemonkey, I appreciate you posting the refresher on all the names.  I hadn't noticed the initials CLL were the same for both. Interesting...

Understandable, 4getUnot!  And yeah, it was a struggle to find an actual face in there.  lol 

It IS odd, the mention of Maryland.  Gosh, am almost afraid to go researching that.  Groan.... But there is a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  So guess will go check that out.  No time like the present.  Rolling up sleeves.......... Am going in.   

[JessStar]

Remember Monkeys
As we research the Pastor and his wife...
They seem to go by some alias'.
For example:
Clifford Lane Lawless
Lane Lawless
Clane Lawless
Connie L. Lawless

*Both the pastor and his wife have the same initials CLL.  It would be interesting to find out what Connie's middle name is.

You were reading my mind LM.  You won't believe this:

LAWLESS, CONNIE LANE
LAWLESS, CONNIE L
(DOB: 08/1941)
(Age: 67)       
812 W CLOVER RD SPC 57
TRACY, CA 95376-1712
(02/1996-Current)
Mobile Home Site Operator
(02/1996-Current)

57 SPACE
TRACY, CA 95376
(04/1996)

434 W BEVERLY PL
TRACY, CA 95376-3011
(03/1993)

827 CHIPPEWA WAY
LIVERMORE, CA 94551-1642
(10/1990)

424 W BEVERLY PL
TRACY, CA 95376-3011
(10/1985)
 

This is great, JessStar, thanks!  It gives the addresses and dates they lived there! 

And Connie uses *Lane* as her middle name too?     Very weird!!!

What site do you use, if I may ask?  Would like to add that to my collection, if possible. 

It's a legal database that you have to pay to use. 

My next venture is to hunt down the documents filed in MH's bankruptcy case.  I couldn't find it before because I searched under Melissa Huckaby.  Turns out she filed for bankruptcy under the name Melissa Lawless, and the $10k judgment that led to the filing is now a lien against the Lawless residence. 

[Tracygirl]

Ok Monkeys
I think this is the correct birth dates and places:
Connie Lane Lawless - 8/6/1941 - Tracy, CA
Clifford Lane Lawless - 7/7/1917 - Indianapolis, IN

*Could Lane really be BOTH of their middle names?

Not to mention . . .if those are accurate birthdays, that would make "Pastor" Gramps 42 when he married Connie, age 18 (they were married in April of 1960) . . . certainly fits in with the liking them young thing . . .

LOL that made me chuckle  
Could that be his father  or maybe another person, he is 70 something right?

[JessStar]

Ok Monkeys
I think this is the correct birth dates and places:
Connie Lane Lawless - 8/6/1941 - Tracy, CA
Clifford Lane Lawless - 7/7/1917 - Indianapolis, IN

*Could Lane really be BOTH of their middle names?

Not to mention . . .if those are accurate birthdays, that would make "Pastor" Gramps 42 when he married Connie, age 18 (they were married in April of 1960) . . . certainly fits in with the liking them young thing . . .

LOL that made me chuckle  
Could that be his father  or maybe another person, he is 70 something right?

Pretty sure the data that shows 8/1931 is accurate.  That would make him 77.

[Wyks]

If we can find some limiting information it would be helpful, like age or general location.  I did a general search using an historic person locator and came up with over 3000 hits on "cantu" in Michigan.

Understood, cuz yes it's been hard to find many details at all on Daniel, in any of the news articles so far.  This is all that I have so far on him:

CANTU, DANIEL
Age: 37

TRACY, CA
TIFFIN, OH

    * CANTU, CONCHITA (Age 64)
    * CANTU, MARIA  B (Age 92)
    * CANTU, PAUL (Age 51)
    * CANTU, PABLO (Age 61)
    * CANTU, RICARDO (Age 34)
    * CANTU, SANDRA  E (Age 30)

Looks like Conchita and Pablo could be his parents, Paul maybe an uncle?, Maria likely his grandmother, Ricardo and Sandra likely his siblings. 

[JessStar]

There's a minute order on the Court's website generated following Friday's hearing if anyone is interested.  It doesn't say much, and nothing that we don't already know.  But I thought I'd post the link anyway:


http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news/People_v_Melissa_Huckaby_-_Court_Minute_Order_042409.pdf

[JessStar]

Wyks I was so afraid to look because in doing all the research Sandra is very much in my mind and I think that is what scared me worst of all.  I can tell you though that the first thing I saw was not a face.  I am 54 myself and still I wa sshocked.  Anyway I think it is odd that it mentioned Maryland and earlier today someone I think it was Northern Rose or No Rose posted a news clipping that mentioned Pastor Lawless had a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  Isn't that odd.

Lonemonkey, I appreciate you posting the refresher on all the names.  I hadn't noticed the initials CLL were the same for both. Interesting...

Understandable, 4getUnot!  And yeah, it was a struggle to find an actual face in there.  lol 

It IS odd, the mention of Maryland.  Gosh, am almost afraid to go researching that.  Groan.... But there is a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  So guess will go check that out.  No time like the present.  Rolling up sleeves.......... Am going in.   

I suppose this could be his brother given the DOB, but he is apparently dead:

LAWLESS, PAUL GEORGE
LAWLESS, PAUL G
LAWLESS, PAUL
Potential High Risk--Deceased(DOB: 01/1927)(DOD: 03/26/1997) (Age at Death:70)    

4312 HAMILTON ST
HYATTSVILLE, MD 20781-1938
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(03/1997-Current)    

PO BOX 403
BELTSVILLE, MD 20704-0403
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(01/1983-01/1997)    

11509 NEVIS DR
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-3512
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(11/1996-11/1996)    

4625 QUIMBY AVE
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-1537
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY

[Tracygirl]

Can anyone answer a question, is a foster care license a matter of public record? Where would you find that information?
I am not good at research sorry, I am trying though

[JessStar]

Wyks I was so afraid to look because in doing all the research Sandra is very much in my mind and I think that is what scared me worst of all.  I can tell you though that the first thing I saw was not a face.  I am 54 myself and still I wa sshocked.  Anyway I think it is odd that it mentioned Maryland and earlier today someone I think it was Northern Rose or No Rose posted a news clipping that mentioned Pastor Lawless had a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  Isn't that odd.

Lonemonkey, I appreciate you posting the refresher on all the names.  I hadn't noticed the initials CLL were the same for both. Interesting...

Understandable, 4getUnot!  And yeah, it was a struggle to find an actual face in there.  lol 

It IS odd, the mention of Maryland.  Gosh, am almost afraid to go researching that.  Groan.... But there is a brother, Paul, in Maryland.  So guess will go check that out.  No time like the present.  Rolling up sleeves.......... Am going in.   

I suppose this could be his brother given the DOB, but he is apparently dead:

LAWLESS, PAUL GEORGE
LAWLESS, PAUL G
LAWLESS, PAUL
Potential High Risk--Deceased(DOB: 01/1927)(DOD: 03/26/1997) (Age at Death:70)    

4312 HAMILTON ST
HYATTSVILLE, MD 20781-1938
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(03/1997-Current)    

PO BOX 403
BELTSVILLE, MD 20704-0403
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(01/1983-01/1997)    

11509 NEVIS DR
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-3512
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY
(11/1996-11/1996)    

4625 QUIMBY AVE
BELTSVILLE, MD 20705-1537
PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY

By the way, just ignore the red highlighted words.  It's just a flag for potential identity theft in case the name comes up while doing an "unrelated" identity search. 

[lonemonkey]

Ok Monkeys
I think this is the correct birth dates and places:
Connie Lane Lawless - 8/6/1941 - Tracy, CA
Clifford Lane Lawless - 7/7/1917 - Indianapolis, IN

*Could Lane really be BOTH of their middle names?

Not to mention . . .if those are accurate birthdays, that would make "Pastor" Gramps 42 when he married Connie, age 18 (they were married in April of 1960) . . . certainly fits in with the liking them young thing . . .

LOL that made me chuckle  
Could that be his father  or maybe another person, he is 70 something right?

Pretty sure the data that shows 8/1931 is accurate.  That would make him 77.

Jess
I think you are right about the pastors age.

About MH bankruptcy...
Am curious why she had such a HIGH debt to a hospital.  I imagine she qualified for Med-Cal....and they cover just about everything, including drug rehab, however there is often an extremely LONG wait.  So, I wonder why she had to file for that or was there something else?

[lonemonkey]

Pastor Lawless' wife, Connie, is the daughter of A.A. and Irene Harris. They were married by Eld. Harris on July 9, 1960 in Modesto, CA. They have three grown children Brian, Brett, and Joni, who are all involved in God's work, and nine beloved grandchildren.

So was her maiden name Harris?

[Wyks]

Another monkey posted this earlier:

Quad City Herald Jan 27, 1983
Obituary for Esther Luretta Lawless - step mom of Lane.

<snipped>
She was born on October 23, 1897, at Rome Wisconsin.  She married George Lawless on November 24, 1955, at Brewster.  She followed the fruit harvest during harvest seasons.

Mrs. Lawless was a member of Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church and the Altar Society.

Survivors include two stepsons, Paul Lawless, Beltsville, Maryland and Lane Lawless of Livermore, California; three grandchildren; and one great-granddaughter.  She was preceded in death by her husband, George, November 11, 1969.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5a4MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6532,1662523&dq=lane-lawless

[Tracygirl]

So who was his mother I wonder? I wonder if that is where the Huckabee name comes in? Maybe his mom remarried a huckabee and lived in Washinton/Idaho? Just a wild guess...

[JessStar]

Can anyone answer a question, is a foster care license a matter of public record? Where would you find that information?
I am not good at research sorry, I am trying though

I can't seem to identify the agency responsible for licensing foster care providers in California.  Typically it's done by the Secretary of State or DHHR, but I'm coming up empty.

[JessStar]

Ok Monkeys
I think this is the correct birth dates and places:
Connie Lane Lawless - 8/6/1941 - Tracy, CA
Clifford Lane Lawless - 7/7/1917 - Indianapolis, IN

*Could Lane really be BOTH of their middle names?

Not to mention . . .if those are accurate birthdays, that would make "Pastor" Gramps 42 when he married Connie, age 18 (they were married in April of 1960) . . . certainly fits in with the liking them young thing . . .

LOL that made me chuckle  
Could that be his father  or maybe another person, he is 70 something right?

Pretty sure the data that shows 8/1931 is accurate.  That would make him 77.

Jess
I think you are right about the pastors age.

About MH bankruptcy...
Am curious why she had such a HIGH debt to a hospital.  I imagine she qualified for Med-Cal....and they cover just about everything, including drug rehab, however there is often an extremely LONG wait.  So, I wonder why she had to file for that or was there something else?

I'll let you know, probably tomorrow.  Depending on how much is online and publicly available, I might be able to answer some of those questions.

[JessStar]

Another monkey posted this earlier:

Quad City Herald Jan 27, 1983
Obituary for Esther Luretta Lawless - step mom of Lane.

<snipped>
She was born on October 23, 1897, at Rome Wisconsin.  She married George Lawless on November 24, 1955, at Brewster.  She followed the fruit harvest during harvest seasons.

Mrs. Lawless was a member of Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church and the Altar Society.

Survivors include two stepsons, Paul Lawless, Beltsville, Maryland and Lane Lawless of Livermore, California; three grandchildren; and one great-granddaughter.  She was preceded in death by her husband, George, November 11, 1969.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5a4MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6532,1662523&dq=lane-lawless

That matches the info I posted earlier.  Paul Lawless is dead.