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« Reply #580 on: April 20, 2009, 09:25:01 PM »

As for what went on inside of that car. The story was based on the opinions of the suspects and was Not accurate as they ALL lie cheat and steal and further more.. Have something to do with a murderess act.

The producers of that movie did no justice for Natalee in portraying her like that inside of that car with those FREAKS..

By all accounts that is NOT the way she got into that car..
Unless Alana has not told the correct story.

The whole thing is upsetting to me.




Edward ... all the details and changing stories were taken from Joran, Deepak and Satish's own words.

Beth was attempting to expose these lying suspect for who they were ... guilty of knowing what happened to her daughter.

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I think everyone should also remember that the film showed Joran putting something into Natalee's drink, and it wasn't a sleeping pill.  Therefore, the behavior shown in the car would be directly related to a date rape drug.  jmo
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« Reply #581 on: April 20, 2009, 09:32:03 PM »

As for what went on inside of that car. The story was based on the opinions of the suspects and was Not accurate as they ALL lie cheat and steal and further more.. Have something to do with a murderess act.

The producers of that movie did no justice for Natalee in portraying her like that inside of that car with those FREAKS..

By all accounts that is NOT the way she got into that car..
Unless Alana has not told the correct story.

The whole thing is upsetting to me.




Edward ... all the details and changing stories were taken from Joran, Deepak and Satish's own words.

Beth was attempting to expose these lying suspect for who they were ... guilty of knowing what happened to her daughter.

Janet



I agree Janet, I am just not sure that the public that isn't aware of all the details as we are, would be able to completely follow the story line.  I have no criticism of what they were trying to tell, just the way it came together.  I really wish more emphasis was put on the corrupt government cover up, and that DomPIG was of the right nationality.  I think that changed the impact of the corruption angle, I really do. (less insider feeling)   I think they did an outstanding job on Beth's role and character, and her portrayal. I think RenHO's character was too pretty...not accurate at all, and  not nearly as cut throat and fake sappy as she is in real life.
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« Reply #582 on: April 20, 2009, 09:33:57 PM »

As for what went on inside of that car. The story was based on the opinions of the suspects and was Not accurate as they ALL lie cheat and steal and further more.. Have something to do with a murderess act.

The producers of that movie did no justice for Natalee in portraying her like that inside of that car with those FREAKS..

By all accounts that is NOT the way she got into that car..
Unless Alana has not told the correct story.

The whole thing is upsetting to me.




Edward ... all the details and changing stories were taken from Joran, Deepak and Satish's own words.

Beth was attempting to expose these lying suspect for who they were ... guilty of knowing what happened to her daughter.

Janet



I think everyone should also remember that the film showed Joran putting something into Natalee's drink, and it wasn't a sleeping pill.  Therefore, the behavior shown in the car would be directly related to a date rape drug.  jmo

See, I guess that subtlety was lost on me.  I saw him reach in his pocket, but not put anything in her drink...maybe i was letting the dogs out or something!
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« Reply #583 on: April 20, 2009, 09:37:22 PM »

Thank you Carpe for the videos
Thank you Janet and Lifesong for the impressive timelines/quotes etc.


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« Reply #584 on: April 20, 2009, 09:38:42 PM »

My hat is off to Carpe.  Thanks sooooooooooooo much for putting Natalee's movie up.  I am in tears.  The ending did me in.  The pure "hate" i feel for that island and J2K, Paulus, Julia.  As Robots says:  I HATE THEM ALL.

I hope you are feeling better and have gone to the doctor.
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« Reply #585 on: April 20, 2009, 09:40:01 PM »

Sony producers did a good job!

Hopefully, they will do a sequel.

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« Reply #586 on: April 20, 2009, 09:41:39 PM »

I am also upset the way Natalee was portrayed in the car and on the beach with joran. But I also believe that most watching the show understand that Natalee was the victim and was taken advantage of by urine and the kalpoes. The scene where urine added something from his pocket to Natalee's drink at C&C and the many opportunities urine had to let Natalee go but still says he would give her a 'ride' back, as she wanted.
The movie follows the reported news and statements from the 3 perps, so they can't file a lawsuit against LMN or Beth.
The scene with cornflakes asking Beth and Jug about seizures and then urine taped Peter DV showing to Beth urine saying Natalee had a seizures was pretty telling in the court of public opinion, and I don't think that will be lost on an audience. The point was definately made that SOMEONE KNOWS what happened to Natalee....And that SOME KNOWS list is pretty small: urine, kalpoes, aruba LE cornflakes, paulass and it was pointed out at least a couple of times: FREDDY KNOWS!
Diana (J. Ho) and Carol (US state dept rep on island) sure didn't come across as respectable citizens with Justice for Natalee in their game plans......
 
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« Reply #587 on: April 20, 2009, 09:42:48 PM »






Not only did the protesters have signs telling Beth to go home, they had them about Natalee as well.

Who are they trying to kid with that bit of revisionist history?

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« Reply #588 on: April 20, 2009, 09:51:22 PM »

My hat is off to Carpe.  Thanks sooooooooooooo much for putting Natalee's movie up.  I am in tears.  The ending did me in.  The pure "hate" i feel for that island and J2K, Paulus, Julia.  As Robots says:  I HATE THEM ALL.

I hope you are feeling better and have gone to the doctor.


Thanks.  I am having hard time adjusting to medications.  Already changed it once.  Called today and re-scheduled my tests in May.  Getting old is a Bitch!

What did you think of the movie Kermit?  The person who played Jacobs (I think?) is the one that really burned me up.  He is such a slob. 

My feelings is Beth stayed in a narrow field here in how she portrayed Natalee.  Smart people will see it from what those scumbags told and then look at Aruba and think "Geeze this is a third world country who will not investigate and convict even with all the lies told.  It also showed to me how much coaching LE did with Joran to get him to implicate the Kalpoes.  I think everything that was shown in that film is everything that can be proved in an international court of law if it ever comes down to it. JMO
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« Reply #589 on: April 20, 2009, 09:51:59 PM »

I think Beth let them portray Natalee as much more of a party girl than she in fact was because so many seem to find it hard to believe that there are actual teens who do not live for booze, sex and drugs.  But there are and I have had the privilege of knowing many of them, both girls and boys.

And since it doesn't matter what Natalee was doing, no one had the right to kill her and make her remains disappear anyway, I guess it was more believable to the masses if she was more of a party girl than she in fact was.

But teens are no more all alike than adults are and some of them are just not into the party scene so much.  Others are.  For whatever reason, many seem to stereotype all teens as wild, desperate for partying and totally out of control.  I thank God that's not always the case.
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« Reply #590 on: April 20, 2009, 09:59:25 PM »

Also, the MB kids in Aruba were portrayed as some desperate group of kids who were agog at a swimming pool.  I don't think so.  I would suspect at least half of them had a pool at home of their own and all had ample access.  I doubt they jumped in with their clothes on.

I suppose the idea was to demonstrate exuberance at being all on their own for the first time.  Maybe the movie producers should have done a little better background check on that particular group as several of them are from quite affluent families.  It was not likely to be their only chance ever at a vacation as it was made to seem.
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« Reply #591 on: April 20, 2009, 10:04:35 PM »



This is why I am still here.
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« Reply #592 on: April 20, 2009, 10:05:42 PM »


THANK YOU LIFESONG and JANET for the timeline/informational posts!


GREAT WORK!!!!   


 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #593 on: April 20, 2009, 10:06:07 PM »

                                 NOTHING BETTER THEN

            LIGHTS,CAMERA,ACTION ON ARUBA AND THE PERPS

 
 
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« Reply #594 on: April 20, 2009, 10:08:13 PM »



This is why I am still here.

Me too Anna.

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« Reply #595 on: April 20, 2009, 10:10:12 PM »

I am also upset the way Natalee was portrayed in the car and on the beach with joran. But I also believe that most watching the show understand that Natalee was the victim and was taken advantage of by urine and the kalpoes. The scene where urine added something from his pocket to Natalee's drink at C&C and the many opportunities urine had to let Natalee go but still says he would give her a 'ride' back, as she wanted.
The movie follows the reported news and statements from the 3 perps, so they can't file a lawsuit against LMN or Beth.
The scene with cornflakes asking Beth and Jug about seizures and then urine taped Peter DV showing to Beth urine saying Natalee had a seizures was pretty telling in the court of public opinion, and I don't think that will be lost on an audience. The point was definately made that SOMEONE KNOWS what happened to Natalee....And that SOME KNOWS list is pretty small: urine, kalpoes, aruba LE cornflakes, paulass and it was pointed out at least a couple of times: FREDDY KNOWS!
Diana (J. Ho) and Carol (US state dept rep on island) sure didn't come across as respectable citizens with Justice for Natalee in their game plans......
 

I agree billb!

One thing I thought about when recalling the things that were said on the beach between Joran and Natalee in the movie.  He told her he couldn't stay because he had school in the morning.  Other segments before and later established that he'd told the MB group that he was a tourist from Holland, so hopefully other viewers would have caught that too; and know that he's lying about what was said between them.  Everyone knows we'll never hear Natalee's version of any conversations they may have had.

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #596 on: April 20, 2009, 10:11:16 PM »

             


                    JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

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« Reply #597 on: April 20, 2009, 10:21:47 PM »

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Don't ya know some people were soiling themselves in anticipation of the movie!   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #598 on: April 20, 2009, 10:22:21 PM »

Sony producers did a good job!

Hopefully, they will do a sequel.



I hope so too Kermit!   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #599 on: April 20, 2009, 10:27:36 PM »

Thank you everybody.  However ... I am sure Lifesong will agree that it is not about us ... it is all about attempting to furthering the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure of closure for her family.

Maybe ... just maybe ... one person who is a Monkey or is sitting in the rafters ... a person who is in a position to make a difference  ...

It is imperative that we keep on carrying on.

Think about our Kermit.  Think about the Natalee's Freebirds.  When we least expected ... 

I am not sure how many guests we have had as a result of Beth's movie but the yearly timelines and the corresponding data posts provide a great reminder for us all of the H--- on Earth that Aruba has put Natalee Holloway's family through for almost four years.

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