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« Reply #380 on: April 19, 2009, 09:26:07 PM »

I just want to say watching this show is upsetting.
It is not accurate.

No, but the gist is the same, the guilty are the same.


Well heck, they should atleast have an accurate beginning..
1. Nobody knows what happened inside of that car.
2. Nobody had seen her get into the car.
So they should inform the public of that..
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« Reply #381 on: April 19, 2009, 09:27:27 PM »

Showing Beth confronting Deepak.  She asked Deepak if he tried to help Natalee or did he just sit there while she faught for her life. 

Beth just put a prayer braclet on Deepaks arm.
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« Reply #382 on: April 19, 2009, 09:28:54 PM »

36 day mark

actress in beige questioning why Natelee's mom gives info to media

Protest from some Aruban's against Beth being in Aruba. Beth in Cyber Cafe talking to Depak.

Did you help Natalee or did you just watch? ref. to hands in pants he said, et al.

Depak's letter to his atty saying Beth harassing. Joran released.

Someone else update, I am crying. Beth talks about coverup of the truth with Jug on a beach. She's crying
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« Reply #383 on: April 19, 2009, 09:29:55 PM »


2006

05/28/2006:     Holloway Talks About Natalee’s Missing Year

05/31/2006:     Natalee Holloway's Parents Mark Anniversary Quietly

10/03/2007:     Attorney for Natalee Holloway's Parents Goes 'On the Record'

11/23/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Dad to Search Aruba Waters for Evidence

12/19/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Family Blames Investigators' Mistakes for Dead End

02/08/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Father Reacts to Joran van der Sloot's Callous 'Confession'

11/20/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Dad: Aruba Investigators Ignored Another Potential

03/20/2009:     Natalee Holloway's Father Sends Search Dog to Aruba to Look for Daughter's Body

03/24/2009:     Natalee Holloway Dad: Pond Search May Take 2 Weeks


2006

A FATHER'S NIGHTMARE

In April, 2006 a book authored by the father of Natalee Holloway was released.  Dave Holloway shares with readers almost one year of desperately seeking answers to the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning his precious daughter went missing and was never seen again.
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ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway


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Page 9:  In fact, he (Dennis Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10:  While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist.  ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16:  During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s.  ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

Page 182:  I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koens father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

Page 183:  It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it.  He (Art Wood) noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it.  We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance.  He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy.  Art asked him (Dennis Jacobs) where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart.  We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction.  There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence.  Apparently, you cannot get into that place.  It looks like a prison camp.  Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

Page 118-119:  I walked up to (Michael) Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.

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« Reply #384 on: April 19, 2009, 09:31:04 PM »

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Glad you are back. I tried pitch hitting for you but you are the best!
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« Reply #385 on: April 19, 2009, 09:32:53 PM »

Is Renho the actress in the beige?
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« Reply #386 on: April 19, 2009, 09:38:07 PM »

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Glad you are back. I tried pitch hitting for you but you are the best!

Please pitch in IBE.  Everyone helps with what they catch.  I am only getting little bits and pieces.
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« Reply #387 on: April 19, 2009, 09:40:30 PM »


2006

THE BOYCOTT

Considering that Aruban Law Enforcement appeared to be preventing justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen, in the fall of 2005, Natalee Holloway's father joined her mother in the calling of a boycott again travel to Aruba.

On January 19, 2005, Governor Bob Riley and Senator Steve French proclaimed an official voluntary boycott of travel to Aruba.

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'48 Hours Mystery'

Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.


'On the Record w/ Greta'

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.


'CBS News'

Gov. Bob Riley called for a nationwide travel boycott of Aruba on Tuesday on behalf a missing Alabama teenager's family, who accuse the island's government of not fully cooperating with the investigation into her disappearance.


'The Birmingham News'

Alabama Senate votes to support boycott of Aruba
1/19/2006, 3:43 p.m. CT
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Gov. Bob Riley's call for a tourism boycott of Aruba has picked up support from the Alabama Senate, which says the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has suffered from too many missteps.

On Thursday, the Senate voted 27-0 for a resolution supporting a boycott of the Dutch Caribbean island. Sen. Steve French, R-Birmingham, said he proposed the resolution at the request of the family of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway.

Holloway disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip with classmates. She was last seen leaving a bar with a young Dutch national and two Surinamese brothers.

The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway's disappearance "has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies."

"It's my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation," French said.

During a special session in July, the Alabama House passed a resolution calling for a boycott of Aruba.

 
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« Reply #388 on: April 19, 2009, 09:42:52 PM »

Showing Joran at home talking to Paulus.  Paulus said what happened.  Joran said he did something stupid.  Showing Joran in the car with Patrick again.

Showing Peter DeVries calling Beth at home telling her he has been investigating Joran and he thinks she would want to get on a plane as soon as possible.
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« Reply #389 on: April 19, 2009, 09:43:30 PM »

Hate is a strong word but I'm filled with it right now.  For all the usual in Aruba.


Excruciating pain is what I am feeling for Beth, Dave, and Natalee. THEN HATE for the usual in Aruba follows closely behind that.

I am also reminded of what an amazingly strong woman BETH is...

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« Reply #390 on: April 19, 2009, 09:44:29 PM »

Is Renho the actress in the beige?
IBE, I don't know who the woman in beige is. I think it is a added character to help tell details of the story
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« Reply #391 on: April 19, 2009, 09:50:57 PM »

Is Renho the actress in the beige?
IBE, I don't know who the woman in beige is. I think it is a added character to help tell details of the story
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« Reply #392 on: April 19, 2009, 09:56:12 PM »


2007


01/17/2007:     New Developments in Natalee Holloway Case

02/28/2007:     Aruba Brothers Want U.S. Judge to Toss Wrongful Death Lawsuit in Natalee

05/13/2007:      House of 2 Former Suspects Searched in Natalee Holloway Disappearance

05/30/2007:     Two Years After Disappearance, Natalee Holloway's Mom Remains 'Hopeful'

06/02/2007:     Judge Tosses Wrongful Death Lawsuit in Holloway Case

09/14/2007:     Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents

10/03/2007:     Attorney for Natalee Holloway's Parents Goes 'On the Record'

10/04/2007:     Beth Holloway Goes 'On the Record'

11/21/2007:     Dutch Police Arrest Joran Van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway Case

11/22/2007:     Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance

11/23/2007:     Aruba Judge Orders Extended Detention for 2 Brothers in Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

11/23/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Dad to Search Aruba Waters for Evidence

11/23/2007:     Report:   Phone Conversations Could Be New Evidence in Natalee Holloway

11/23/2007:     Late Friday Update In Natalee Holloway Story - Wiretapped Calls ???? « GretaWire

11/24/2007:     Dutch Suspect Joran Van Der Sloot Back in Aruba After Re-Arrest

11/24/2007:     Aruba's Chief Prosecutor Believes Natalee Holloway Is Dead

11/26/2007:     Defense Lawyers Dispute New Evidence in Natalee Holloway Case

11/30/2007:     Aruba Judge to Order Release of Natalee Holloway Suspects

12/01/2007:     Suspect Released in Natalee Holloway Case

12/07/2007:     Suspect Van Der Sloot Freed in Natalee Holloway Case

12/08/2007:     Prosecutor Mulls Closure in Natalee Holloway Case

12/10/2007:     Joran van der Sloot Released From Jail

12/19/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Family Blames Investigators' Mistakes for Dead End

12/23/2007:     Latest On The Current Underwater Search for Natalee Holloway « GretaWire

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« Reply #393 on: April 19, 2009, 10:04:13 PM »

I have to watch the movie again. I hope it favored Natalee and showed the awful filth that she and her loved ones went thru.

I feel so sad.

Nighters sweet Monkeys. Nice to watch TV with you again!
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« Reply #394 on: April 19, 2009, 10:04:52 PM »

IMO the show was a success even though there were some blatently inaccurate accounts.  It was a success because I'm PISSED ALL OVER AGAIN.
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« Reply #396 on: April 19, 2009, 10:08:03 PM »

IMO the show was a success even though there were some blatently inaccurate accounts.  It was a success because I'm PISSED ALL OVER AGAIN.

Ditto here, too
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« Reply #397 on: April 19, 2009, 10:09:47 PM »


06/03/2005:     Natalee's Mom Issues Plea

06/22/2005:     Natalee's Mom Confronts Suspect's Parents

06/29/2005:     Holloway's Mom: Dutch Dad Hiding Something

07/06/2005:     Holloway's Mother: Don't Let Kalpoes Go

07/06/2005:     Arubans:  Natalee's Mom Out of Line

07/31/2005:     Natalee's Mom Goes Home

09/27/2005:     Natalee's Mom:  Van der Sloot Lying About Sex

05/31/2006:     Natalee Holloway's Parents Mark Anniversary Quietly

05/30/2007:     Two Years After Disappearance, Natalee Holloway's Mom Remains 'Hopeful'

10/03/2007:     Attorney for Natalee Holloway's Parents Goes 'On the Record'

10/04/2007:     Beth Holloway Goes 'On the Record'

01/11/2008:     Mother of Former Holloway Suspect Wants Probe Into Probe

02/05/2008:     Holloway's Anguished Mother: Tape Confession Means Natalee Could Have Been Saved

11/19/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads




2007

A MOTHER'S JOURNEY OF FAITH

In the Fall of 2007, a book authored by the mother of Natalee Holloway was released.  Beth Holloway shares with readers the heartbreak, the frustration and the desperations in her ongoing journey to be a voice for her daughter until justice prevails.

Then she shares the sustaining faith that has given her courage to endure.


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Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway

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Page 39:
  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fronT desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.  It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

Page 44:  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.  ... Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 76:  The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard.  It's quiet.  I am very cold, waiting for him to begin.  As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes.  It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view.   So he has been here.  He has given his statement.  It has been destroyed for some reason.   Did he change his mind?   Can you even do that?  Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?

Page 148/149:  Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is.  How smart he is.  I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess.  And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently.  How he exibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother.  How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases.  After about thirty minutes she concludes by tell us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his definant behavior.

Now it's my turn.  I have no intention of matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments.  And cut to the chase.  Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10 and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general's office.  The sexually explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee.  Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them.  How their son described my daughter's pubic area, her underwear.  How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up.  I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened.  Little bead of sweat form across Paulus' brow and forehead.

Page 157:  Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

Page 157/158:  No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support."

"Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us. 1.  Beth Holloway learns almost immediately after arriving on the Island of Aruban that the last person who was with her daughter prior to disappearing had lied to the Mountain Brook students.

Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.  Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!.  Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.  Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Page 183:  The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show". They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.

Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


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« Reply #398 on: April 19, 2009, 10:16:57 PM »

Hopefully, I will be able to watch this tomorrow on tape or repeated.  Thank you all for your transcripts. 

I stand with the giirl.....I pray for justice and truth.  Someone knows the truth.
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2007


11/21/2007:     Dutch Police Arrest Joran Van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway Case

11/22/2007:     Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance

11/23/2007:     Aruba Judge Orders Extended Detention for 2 Brothers in Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

11/23/2007:     Report:   Phone Conversations Could Be New Evidence in Natalee Holloway

11/23/2007:     Late Friday Update In Natalee Holloway Story - Wiretapped Calls ???? « GretaWire

11/24/2007:     Dutch Suspect Joran Van Der Sloot Back in Aruba After Re-Arrest

11/24/2007:     Aruba's Chief Prosecutor Believes Natalee Holloway Is Dead

11/26/2007:     Defense Lawyers Dispute New Evidence in Natalee Holloway Case

11/30/2007:     Aruba Judge to Order Release of Natalee Holloway Suspects

12/01/2007:     Suspect Released in Natalee Holloway Case

12/07/2007:     Suspect Van Der Sloot Freed in Natalee Holloway Case

12/08/2007:     Prosecutor Mulls Closure in Natalee Holloway Case

12/10/2007:     Joran van der Sloot Released From Jail


2007

CATCH AND RELEASE

In November, 2007, ten Aruban attorneys concluded that the Aruban prosecutor had sufficient evidence to rearrest Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe on suspicion of involvement in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing.

However, less that one month later all three suspects were released.  A judge deemed that evidence did not justify the rearrest.

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'On the Record w/ Greta'

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.


'ABC New'

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.


'ABC News'

A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case. The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

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