Two other things I thought were interesting:
1. They showed the map with the triangulation...
2. They did NOT show any pond scenes, pond witness, panty-boy, etc.
No they did not. I didn't think they would. Also noticed they did not show any crab trap being stolen. They did not show any one supposedly finding Natalee in a crab trap in the ocean. They didn't show any cover up by any others than the LE of Aruba.
Casa
Yesterday's TV movie was based on Beth's book
Loving Natalee which was released in the fall of 2007 ... prior to the Persistence entering Aruban waters ... prior to the discovery of the trap.
Until March 2008 ... Beth did not have a clue that the Persistence undertaking may have had underlying motivations that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee and closure for the family.
Until September 2008 ... Beth had not been privy to the entire story ... the entire story that was revealed in Kyle Kingman's own words.
Casa ... the deception of John Silvetti according to Kyle Kingman's own words would dictate a TV movie all of it own.
Sleuth ... the dynamics encompassing the pond which began in February, 2008 ... would dictate a mini-series.
Janet
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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
« Reply #238 on: January 19, 2009, 07:54:32 PM »Jen ... when was Beth Holloway, FBI and John Kelly informed by the Natalee's Freebirds.
Thanks
Janet
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4388.msg634246#msg634246jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
« Reply #240 on: January 19, 2009, 07:59:41 PM »Beth was made aware on 3 different occasions.
Once in March from PI (preliminary only, pictures with little background or supplemental from Kyle)
Once in ?????? from Kermit (pics and some of Kyle's posts)
Once in September (with our final document) by me
JQK - September by Wingnut
FBI - September by me
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4388.msg634256#msg634256A REMINDERklassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us. During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help. He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents. Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family.
This was March 18, 2008. At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
We later found that to be false.
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.
We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage. Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
We later found out that never happened.
At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
Regards,
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349
