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« Reply #560 on: May 21, 2009, 12:33:18 AM »

Victorian from what I have learned from the Sandra Cantu case, the police do not have the discretion to call and amber alert until certain criteria have occurred. As with Sandra, it wasn't called because they couldn't call it an abduction, it was a missing persons case. It is frustrating and in my opinion, dangerous.

I am not sure if saying LE is wrong is enough, the law is flawed and LE in Canada like the US are bound by laws. The law needs to be modified, everyone knows it but nothing is being done or at least from what I can tell. Why? That is the true question that needs to be answered, imho
Thank you for explaining this.
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« Reply #561 on: May 21, 2009, 12:58:52 AM »

I am going out, once again, ty. There will be more tomorrow. Guy was from Newfoundland and I bet they have stuff ( arrests, etc  ) on him. 28, he didn't just start April 7.
I almost threw up at work. Another lady started to cry. 

Take care Kat.  It has been a hard day.  The more I find about Terry-Lynne the more I want to throw up.  I am going to see if I can find anything about Rafferty.  I am so worried right now that since TL was 18 she MAY be under the Youth Offender Act.  I just found an article that her named father still pays child support for her.  This could get really scary.
He might have had to pay as she wasn't self supporting or she was going to school. Child support can go until about 22 / 23. If the kid is dependent on the other parent, you pay until the kid is self supporting. Usually the norm is one University degree if going to school.
At trial, her age, her background etc is going to play a big part of the sentence in way that is going to pizz me off. 
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The police had issued a statement way way back, don't ask me to find it, someone told me about it that the public was not in any danger. That might be another reason why the family was trashed so much. OPP and the Wooodstock PD will hide behind the laws and unless the public pushes it, they will not have to justify their handling of the investigation It will be part of an on going criminal investigation. Then, they will have a Royal Commission ( years later ) and well, shredders will shred, notes will be redacted and it will be CYA time.
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« Reply #562 on: May 21, 2009, 01:01:58 AM »

paramedic?
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« Reply #563 on: May 21, 2009, 01:06:35 AM »

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« Reply #564 on: May 21, 2009, 01:09:28 AM »


Look at the date he last logged in
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« Reply #565 on: May 21, 2009, 01:12:01 AM »

paramedic?

he's everywhere on the net huh?       his skydrive photos were hard to watch in the slideshow, just looking at how many people in HIS life he hurt, soo many photos of friends and family, I've been sick and in tears all day for the pain Tori's family is feeling and the horror she went through that day... WHY??? why, it makes no sense, no sense at all....
I get a different feeling with Terri lynne, seems her life has been careening towards a horror like this for some time

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« Reply #566 on: May 21, 2009, 01:20:12 AM »

he was busy the next day and avoiding detection after that...
how did this happen?????? and why?? no arrest record? are we sure?
any idea yet N Rose who LE had in custody earlier yesterday?
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« Reply #567 on: May 21, 2009, 01:23:45 AM »

Based on all the news reports the police arrested Terri-Lynne last night at her home. That would make me suspect he was already in jail for the "other" issue.  I have yet to confirm this though JMO
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« Reply #568 on: May 21, 2009, 01:32:10 AM »

wonder what the other issue is...
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« Reply #569 on: May 21, 2009, 01:36:20 AM »

Based on all the news reports the police arrested Terri-Lynne last night at her home. That would make me suspect he was already in jail for the "other" issue.  I have yet to confirm this though JMO

 I take this back.  I now believe it was T-L that was already in jail.  This is a really good article worth a full read.

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Among the others was the teenager conveniently already in custody. Ms. McClintic went through her paces, and detectives realized how very good the resemblance was. They interviewed her once, and on Tuesday, went back a second time: Ms. McClintic, in the language of lawyers, “made some admissions,” or in police lingo, gave it up.

By Tuesday evening, she and Mr. Rafferty were in custody. Yesterday, they appeared in Provincial Court for the first time.

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« Reply #570 on: May 21, 2009, 01:37:20 AM »

wonder what the other issue is...

Terri-Lynne was arrested last month for breaching her parole on another offence.

Terri-Lynne was still in custody on that charge when police really turned their eyes upon her.

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« Reply #571 on: May 21, 2009, 01:52:14 AM »

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/an-innocent-girl-who-was-hunted/article1145754/

Same article that No Rose posted. Ms. Christine Blatchford will be eating her words for past articles. Ms. Blatchford is a Cdn journalist who is  ( maybe past tense now ) respected.
think I'll get the papers tomorrow.
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« Reply #572 on: May 21, 2009, 02:26:20 AM »

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/an-innocent-girl-who-was-hunted/article1145754/

Same article that No Rose posted. Ms. Christine Blatchford will be eating her words for past articles. Ms. Blatchford is a Cdn journalist who is  ( maybe past tense now ) respected.
think I'll get the papers tomorrow.
Goodnite all.
goodnight, it's been a long long day, great article thanks for the post
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« Reply #573 on: May 21, 2009, 02:34:36 AM »

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/an-innocent-girl-who-was-hunted/article1145754/

Same article that No Rose posted. Ms. Christine Blatchford will be eating her words for past articles. Ms. Blatchford is a Cdn journalist who is  ( maybe past tense now ) respected.
think I'll get the papers tomorrow.
Goodnite all.
I don't understand. Why will she be eating her words?
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« Reply #575 on: May 21, 2009, 08:50:17 AM »

A few minutes ago CP24 reported that the charges for Terri-lynn may be upgraded. 

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« Reply #576 on: May 21, 2009, 10:05:42 AM »

The man accused of killing an Ontario girl is being described as a loner with a temper
Carl Hantske Cindy White Radana Suk and Justin Slimm
Thursday, May 21st, 2009 6:48 am

Police are once again searching on the ground and in the air for the remains of the 8 year old believed to have been murdered more than a month ago, saying their number one task is to return Tori Stafford's body to her family.

Meanwhile we are learning more about the strange behavior of the two who stand accused of this despicable crime.

Residents in the Ontario community hope the body is found for the family's sake, but are horrified that it could possibly be in their own back yard.

One man describes it with one word; "disgusting."

Crews up in helicopters seem to be searching along back roads, looking for piles of rocks or debris.

Michael Rafferty, the 28 year old man charged with first degree murder is being described as a loner and a free-loader with a temper.

However, a relative of Rafferty is telling the Globe and Mail though that he was great with kids.

He moved back in with his mother about a year ago, after losing his job at a meat packing plant in Guelph.

The day Tori was abducted, Rafferty wrote on his Facebook page, "good things are coming my way."

The 18 year old, Terri-Lynne McClintic who is charged with abduction and being an accessory, met Rafferty about four months ago, and her mother says the two were infatuated.

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« Reply #577 on: May 21, 2009, 10:16:35 AM »

Police expanding search for Victoria Stafford's body

The search for eight-year-old Victoria Stafford’s body continued Thursday in a rural area east of Guelph, Ont., about 70 kilometres away from where she went missing in Woodstock six weeks ago.

Police, using search dogs and helicopters searched farm land around Rockwood until about 9:30 p.m. Wednesday and were out again Thursday morning. Officials would not confirm the location where they are focusing their efforts.

It was expected that investigators were also going to launch a ground search later Thursday morning in nearby Fergus, Ont.

“We will not stop until we are able to find the remains of Victoria Stafford,” Ontario Provincial Police Det. Insp. Bill Renton told a news conference Wednesday in Woodstock.

Stafford had been missing since April 8 after she was seen walking away with an unidentified woman in a white jacket.

On Wednesday, police announced that two people have been charged in connection with the abduction and death of the young girl.

Court documents show Michael Rafferty, 28, faces one count of first-degree murder and one count of abduction.

His girlfriend, 18-year-old Terri-Lynne McClintic has been charged with abduction and accessory after the fact to murder.

The pair were arrested after midnight Wednesday at a rundown house in Woodstock — about 140 kilometres west of Toronto.

The pair are scheduled to appear in court via videolink on May 28.

Despite the long and detailed searches, a $50,000 reward offer and daily pleas for her return by her mother, Tara McDonald, and father, Rodney Stafford, the girl was believed to be killed the same day she was taken on 42 days ago, police say.

Sources say the abduction was sexually motivated.

Her father, however, was still clinging to hope.

Rodney Stafford said he would not believe the worst until he is able to see Victoria for himself.

“They’re saying they have enough evidence to verify that Victoria has passed, but I myself as Victoria’s father refuse to believe that until I actually see either the remains of my daughter or my daughter’s body,” he said.

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« Reply #578 on: May 21, 2009, 10:27:31 AM »

Gut feelings drove neighbours

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WOODSTOCK, Ont.—"Did you take Tori?"

It was a month ago that Craig Racine asked his neighbour that question, straight-up.

Bundling together laundry to use his neighbour's washing machine as an excuse, he'd even gone through the next-door house, looking for evidence of the 8-year-old girl's presence, but found nothing.

"Of course not!" Terri-Lynne McClintic retorted hotly.

But she'd already lopped off her long black hair – this as soon as the surveillance video showing Victoria Elizabeth Stafford walking away with a mystery woman on April 8 had been released by police. And then, when probed further about a white coat she owned, same as that female on the tape, McClintic claimed she'd tossed it out, in London, Ont., for some inexplicable reason.

Racine and his girlfriend, Jessica McDonald, drove to London themselves, searching through garbage bins for the coat, but found nothing.

Such was their gut feeling that McClintic and her boyfriend were somehow involved in the youngster's disappearance – the reason they had quietly called in a tip to a police hotline, a week after Tori vanished, and then physically attended at the station to follow through on their suspicions.

If it turns out they are guilty, the neighbours were right.

Eighteen-year-old McClintic and her lover, Michael Thomas C.S. Rafferty, 28, were arraigned yesterday morning; she for assisting in the abduction of the beautiful bright-eyed little girl, he for first-degree murder and abduction.

McClintic lived with her mother, a former stripper, about four blocks from Tori's house, a residence that had been canvassed by cops going door to door.

It was Carol McClintic who was dragged by police, screaming and cursing, from that Wilson St. house late Tuesday night, as Racine and McDonald looked on.

Her daughter was already in custody, and had been, for several weeks, apparently for breach of probation violations. OPP Det.-Insp. Bill Renton confirmed at least that much at a news conference yesterday afternoon.

Right under the cops' noses all that time.

But Tori was already long dead, as indicated by the police information presented in court yesterday morning, likely slain on the same day she was reported missing by her mother, Tara McDonald.

Dead, all those weeks when McDonald and her ex-husband made repeated public pleas for their child's safe return.

Dead, even as McDonald was being lacerated on social networking websites as the purported killer – because everybody had an opinion, everybody had a conviction. And the woman who insisted all along she had nothing to do with Tori's abduction, attracting severe criticism for her conduct throughout this ordeal – the drug addiction, finally admitted, the bizarre socializing in Woodstock-area bars on weekends, her daily "one-o'clocks," as she called the media scrums – was telling the truth.

As of last night, there was no body yet, police combing through a huge area between Guelph and Fergus.

McClintic, at least, knew McDonald, as Renton intimated in the news conference. "I believe McClintic may be familiar with Tara." He declined to speculate on whether Tori knew the teenager as well. "I'm not saying that at all."

Tori – who had gone so willingly, trustingly, as was evident from the videotape, with an alleged villainess who meant her harm.

"She's a little loopy," said Racine of McClintic, who had moved next door, the far house in a tawdry little stretch of three row houses, only a few months ago. Bed frames and beaten-up furniture are stacked on the porch.

Racine said he was at the house when McClintic locked herself in the bathroom on one occasion when police came knocking.

"I told her, `If it wasn't you, why don't you make a statement to police? Because there are a lot of people who think it's you.'"

It was the police sketch of that mystery woman, publicized a fortnight after Tori vanished, that really made Racine's skin crawl. And then McClintic – who now wears her hair in short cornrows – chopped off her dark mane.

"She said it was because she'd got bubble gum in her hair, but we didn't believe that," Racine continued. "And she had bought hair dye too, which I saw, but I don't think she ever had time to use it before she was arrested."

The house that McClintic lived in with her mother is actually owned by the father of Racine's girlfriend, James McDonald – no relation, apparently, to Tara McDonald. There are flyers of the missing girl posted on the verandas.

Jessica McDonald (also no relation to Tara), who lives next door to McClintic, was one of the first people to alert investigators about her neighbour. "Two days after Tori went missing, she (McClintic) and I went to the police station and for about two hours, we handed out flyers," said 30-year-old Jessica, who said she didn't suspect anything at that point.

But after investigators released the surveillance video, McClintic started acting funny, said Jessica. "She said, `You know, that could be me walking with that little girl.' Who says anything like that? And she said that a few times."

About 10 days after Tori went missing, Carol McClintic told Jessica that her daughter and her boyfriend had gone to London to "dispose of some clothes. She said they went to get rid of her (McClintic's) white coat and other clothes."

Jessica said Rafferty told her he was in the construction business. "He was a snappy dresser, and he was polite. You know, always expensive clothes, sunglasses and stuff." While Jessica said she never saw Tara at the McClintic house – even though her ex-husband said he thought they were going to breed their dogs – the neighbour said she often saw Tara's boyfriend, James Goris, there. "I never saw Tara but James, oh yes," she said. "I told the investigators all that."

Other area residents expressed drug worries about the occupants of at least two of those row houses.

"There was always police activity there," said Daniel Desjardins, 50, a tattoo artist who lives and works across the street. "About a year ago, there was some kind of hostage-taking. We saw SWAT police come swooping down. It was like a war scene."

Rafferty did not reside in that house but visited frequently. He lived, according to court documents, on a quiet suburban street on the edge of town, with a middle-aged couple believed to be his parents.

"It just made my heart sick to think he was living there, so close," said Gudrun Roux, from her porch a couple of doors over. "We got kids out here playing on the street all the time."

That sickening feeling, like all the air had gushed out of Woodstock, a plug pulled on hope, was everywhere evident yesterday as the news of arrests – and "murder" in the charge – swept across town.

At Tori's home, where pictures of the girl and optimistic messages are still affixed to the modest house frame, friends and relatives came and went all day. Tori's brother, Daryn, came out for a short while, idling on his bicycle, before being summoned back inside by Tara McDonald's domestic partner. Mom never appeared, though visitors relayed that she was devastated.

Police said they had told Tori's parents about the arrests the previous evening, late. But at 10:30 yesterday morning, Tara's boyfriend, James Goris, indicated to reporters they still had no news of Tori's fate.

The child's father, Rodney Stafford, arrived at Oxford Police headquarters in the early afternoon, shuffling in and out of the building on smoke breaks, but didn't speak to reporters. He later watched the news conference with his family from his brother-in-law Steve Millen's home.

Those who were in the courthouse for the early morning arraignment reported that Rafferty wept when the charges were read but McClintic was stoic.

Police removed Rafferty from the building around 1 o'clock, his shirt pulled over his head. A few dozen people who had waited for the moment hurled insults: "You'll get yours!" and "Show your face!"

Robert Stafford, one of Rodney's brothers, was also there and made a movement toward Rafferty as police rushed to separate the men. Although Robert Stafford's fist was cocked, he never did reach Rafferty.

There was almost no illumination on events at the police news conference, just a lot of downcast faces among investigators.

"Profound regret and sadness," Oxford Police Chief Ron Fraser told reporters of the announcement he was about to make – confirmation of the dual arrests. "This exhaustive investigation began 42 days ago. Despite our best efforts, we were unable to locate Victoria."

Fraser, who turned the lead investigative role over to OPP a month ago – and has come under intense second-guessing for his police force's failure to issue an Amber Alert promptly – looked haggard, tearing up as he spoke.

"There are no consoling words to offer. We are left with hundreds of questions that, hopefully, one day will be answered in our courts of law. Perhaps, once we have some answers, that will help us figure out why someone would take the life of a beautiful young lady."

There were crushed expressions from all the primary investigators at the conference, scores of reporters hurling questions that went essentially unanswered. But for this: Police don't have even a crime scene yet, as Renton admitted, though he paused for quite a while before making that comment.

"I wish we were before you today under different circumstances," he did say. "Our work is far from over. We will not stop until we have located Tori Stafford ... albeit, not the way we ever wanted to find Tori."

Renton would not address whether police believe Tori had been sexually assaulted in the short time the couple is alleged to have had her with them. Sex charges were not included on the indictment but this can change as the investigation continues. A great deal depends on finding the youngster's remains.

There were reports last night – not confirmed – that McClintic was assisting police with their investigation. For now, though, there is only regret, aching and a tremendous sense of loss.

Chief Fraser tried mightily to find a kernel of consolation in these awful events. "Perhaps there is some solace in knowing that, because of Victoria Stafford, every child in this city – and for that matter, this entire country – will be a little safer due to the heightened awareness of the need to better protect our children."

But people do forget, as time passes. Parents make mistakes. Sometimes the unthinkable happens, in a moment of craven opportunity.

And a child vanishes.

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« Reply #579 on: May 21, 2009, 10:30:21 AM »


Such was their gut feeling that McClintic and her boyfriend were somehow involved in the youngster's disappearance – the reason they had quietly called in a tip to a police hotline, a week after Tori vanished, and then physically attended at the station to follow through on their suspicions.


From the article above...I wonder if the police took the neighbors seriously and if Terri was on their radar early on?

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