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« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2009, 10:16:20 PM »


2007

01/17/2007:     New Developments in Natalee Holloway Case

02/28/2007:     Aruba Brothers Want U.S. Judge to Toss Wrongful Death Lawsuit in Natalee

05/13/2007:      House of 2 Former Suspects Searched in Natalee Holloway Disappearance

05/30/2007:     Two Years After Disappearance, Natalee Holloway's Mom Remains 'Hopeful'

06/02/2007:     Judge Tosses Wrongful Death Lawsuit in Holloway Case

09/14/2007:     Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents

10/03/2007:     Attorney for Natalee Holloway's Parents Goes 'On the Record'

10/04/2007:     Beth Holloway Goes 'On the Record'

11/21/2007:     Dutch Police Arrest Joran Van der Sloot in Natalee Holloway Case

11/22/2007:     Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance

11/23/2007:     Aruba Judge Orders Extended Detention for 2 Brothers in Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

11/23/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Dad to Search Aruba Waters for Evidence

11/23/2007:     Report:   Phone Conversations Could Be New Evidence in Natalee Holloway

11/23/2007:     Late Friday Update In Natalee Holloway Story - Wiretapped Calls ???? « GretaWire

11/24/2007:     Dutch Suspect Joran Van Der Sloot Back in Aruba After Re-Arrest

11/24/2007:     Aruba's Chief Prosecutor Believes Natalee Holloway Is Dead

11/26/2007:     Defense Lawyers Dispute New Evidence in Natalee Holloway Case

11/30/2007:     Aruba Judge to Order Release of Natalee Holloway Suspects

12/01/2007:     Suspect Released in Natalee Holloway Case

12/07/2007:     Suspect Van Der Sloot Freed in Natalee Holloway Case

12/08/2007:     Prosecutor Mulls Closure in Natalee Holloway Case

12/10/2007:     Joran van der Sloot Released From Jail

12/19/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Family Blames Investigators' Mistakes for Dead End

12/23/2007:     Latest On The Current Underwater Search for Natalee Holloway « GretaWire

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« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2009, 10:17:31 PM »



2008

01/11/2008:     Mother of Former Holloway Suspect Wants Probe Into Probe

01/12/2008:     Former Holloway Suspect Tosses Wine in Face of Reporter on TV Show

01/31/2008:     New Evidence Emerges in Natalee Holloway Case

02/01/2008:     Joran Van Der Sloot Says He Spoke of Involvement in Natalee Holloway

02/03/2008:     Judge denies Prosecutor’s request to hold Joran in pretrial detention. Prosecutor to appeal decision.

02/04/2008:     Hidden Camera Footage Shows Holloway Suspect Confess to Dumping Body at Sea

02/04/2008:     Aruban Prosecutor Considers Hidden Camera Footage of Holloway Suspect Admissible in Court

02/05/2008:     Holloway's Anguished Mother: Tape Confession Means Natalee Could Have Been Saved

02/08/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Father Reacts to Joran van der Sloot's Callous 'Confession';

02/08/2008:     Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape;

02/12/2008:     Joran van der Sloot's Attorney Defends Client

02/13/2008:     Will Joran van der Sloot Be Re-Arrested?

02/15/2008:     Court Blocks Dutch Student's Arrest in Holloway's Disappearance

02/26/2008:     FBI Says Fabrics Found in Aruban Crab Trap Not From Holloway

09/11/2008:     Natalee Holloway News??? in the Aruban newspaper Diario?

09/26/2008:     New Witness in Natalee Holloway Disappearance ? « GretaWire

10/08/2008:     Natalee Holloway Case to Become Made-for-TV Movie;

11/10/2008:     Report: Natalee Holloway Suspect Involved in Thai Sex Trafficking;

11/19/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads

11/19/2008:     Possible New Witness in Natalee Holloway Case

11/20/2008:     Natalee Holloway's Dad: Aruba Investigators Ignored Another Potential

11/25/2008:     Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story

12/02/2008:     Will Holloway Suspect and Dad Be Arrested After 'On the Record' Interview?

12/03/2008:     Holloway Attorney: Pleas for Arrest Met With 'Deafening Silence'
 
12/05/2008:     Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?

12/09/2008:     Dutch Official: Aruban Holloway Investigators 'Corrupt as Hell'

12/11/2008:     Holloway Arrest Coming Soon? Don't Hold Your Breath

12/16/2008:     An Investigation on the Natalee Holloway Investigation « GretaWire
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« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2009, 10:18:47 PM »

I have not been involved following this case.  However, I was doing some searching and ran across this site....of course, mentioning the 'Scared Monkey's' site.

http://noevidenceofacrime. com/  chapter22.php

Just an FYI - the site above was created by Jan Brennan aka Medleyrelay.  She headed up the first Joran defense fund and has been a van der Sloot supporter from the beginning.  She is not a Natalee fan.  We don't link to her bogus online book.

I'm sure you didn't know all that or you wouldn't have posted the link
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« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2009, 10:19:35 PM »



2009

01/06/2009:     Natalee Holloway Investigation Could End Soon; Prosecutors Appeal for Information

01/07/2009:     Dutch Member of Parliament Vows to Root Out Corruption in Aruba

03/20/2009:     Natalee Holloway's Father Sends Search Dog to Aruba to Look for Daughter's Body

03/23/2009:     New Search Begins for Natalee Holloway

03/24/2009:     Natalee Holloway Dad: Pond Search May Take 2 Weeks

03/30/2009:     Pond Search for Natalee Holloway Almost Complete

03/31/2009:     Private Investigator Continues Search for Natalee Holloway
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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2009, 10:35:02 PM »



That's what I've got so far...all sourced from Fox News.  I'm not a big fan of single-sourcing, but it was the only way to do it quickly.

Now...The Persistence and The Crab Trap...not sure the best way to do that...I'll try to pull the big timeline and make a shorter, more concise summary using the same format as above.

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Janet - Your posts are excellent!  I don't think its too many quotes at all.
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« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2009, 12:18:25 AM »

I am back!

Our neighbours dropped in for a coffee and a yak.

Back to work.

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« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2009, 12:57:58 AM »

2006

THE BOYCOTT

Considering that Aruban Law Enforcement appeared to be preventing justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen, in the fall of 2005, Natalee Holloway's father joined her mother in the calling of a boycott again travel to Aruba.

On January 19, 2005, Governor Bob Riley and Senator Steve French proclaimed an official voluntary boycott of travel to Aruba.


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Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml


'On the Record w/ Greta'

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html


'CBS News'

Gov. Bob Riley called for a nationwide travel boycott of Aruba on Tuesday on behalf a missing Alabama teenager's family, who accuse the island's government of not fully cooperating with the investigation into her disappearance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/08/national/main1025538.shtml


'The Birmingham News'

Alabama Senate votes to support boycott of Aruba
1/19/2006, 3:43 p.m. CT
The Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Gov. Bob Riley's call for a tourism boycott of Aruba has picked up support from the Alabama Senate, which says the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has suffered from too many missteps.

On Thursday, the Senate voted 27-0 for a resolution supporting a boycott of the Dutch Caribbean island. Sen. Steve French, R-Birmingham, said he proposed the resolution at the request of the family of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway.

Holloway disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip with classmates. She was last seen leaving a bar with a young Dutch national and two Surinamese brothers.

The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway's disappearance "has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies."

"It's my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation," French said.

During a special session in July, the Alabama House passed a resolution calling for a boycott of Aruba.

http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1137707351114580.xml&storylist=alabamanews
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« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2009, 12:59:34 AM »

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On January 19, 2005 s/b On January 19, 2006
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« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2009, 01:21:06 AM »

The RV Persistence and The Crab Trap

07/15/2007:     Texas Equusearch Going back to Aruba in 3-4 Weeks with Superior Offshore International to Search for Natalee Holloway

11/22/2007:     Dave Holloway, Father of Natalee, to Join Team of Experts in a Search off the Coast of Aruba for Natalee Holloway’s Body

11/23/2007:     Natalee Holloway's Dad to Search Aruba Waters for Evidence

11/30/2007:     Persistence departs for Aruba

12/15/2007:     Persistence arrived at Aruba

12/18/2007:     The Persistence has begun the search.

12/20/2007:     The Persistence has completed the first day of the side sonar search.

12/25/2007:     I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning. 

12/29/2007:     ROV visual inspection of the crab trap.

12/30/2007:     Divers visually inspect the crab trap, filmed by the ROV.

01/01/2008:     Crews Nearing End of Search for Natalee Holloway

01/07/2008:     ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. 

01/22/2008:     Four eplacement survey team members flew in to join the Persistence to relieve crew

01/25/2008:     The Search Grid has been Expanded

02/05/2008:     The Persistence  is in the deepest portion of the survey area

02/15/2008:     The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman posts a request for donations through Texas Equusearch.

02/22/2008:     The Persistence is working in shallow waters today.

02/22/2008:     The Dateline episode on the Persistence search is broadcast.

02/26/2008:     FBI Says Fabrics Found in Aruban Crab Trap Not From Holloway

02/27/2008:     The Persistence has been working with the help of the Aruban police in shallow water.

02/27/2008:     Two members of the Persistence crew perform side scan sonar survey of the Montserrat pond.

03/01/2008:     The Persistence blog announces the side scan sonar search is complete[/url] and the RV Persistence is leaving Aruba.

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« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2009, 01:41:26 AM »

2007

CATCH AND RELEASE

In November, 2007, ten Aruban attorneys concluded that the Aruban prosecutor had sufficient evidence to rearrest Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe on suspicion of involvement in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing.

However, less that one month later all three suspects were released.  A judge deemed that evidence did not justify the rearrest.
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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

 
'ABC New'

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


'ABC News'

A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case. The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1207/482539.html
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« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2009, 01:59:47 AM »

2007

TWO YEARS TOO LATE

In April and May of 2007 Dutch investigators search the grounds and home of the van der Sloots and the Kalpoes respectively.  Results of the search were never revealed.
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'CBS News'

In April, investigators from the Netherlands dug around the home of van der Sloot's family for two days without revealing what prompted the search. Then in May, Dutch and Aruban investigators visited the home where Deepak and Satish Kalpoe live with their parents for what authorities termed an "inspection," without revealing details.

http://cbs11tv.com/national/natalee.holloway.dutch.2.593326.html

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« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2009, 03:06:33 AM »

2006

A MOTHER'S JOURNEY OF FAITH

In the Fall of 2007, a book authored by the mother of Natalee Holloway was released.  Beth Holloway shares with readers the heartbreak, the frustration and the desperations in her ongoing journey to be a voice for her daughter until justice prevails.

Then she shares the sustaining faith that has given her courage to endure.


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Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fronT desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.  It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

Page 44:  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn.  ... Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 76:  The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard.  It's quiet.  I am very cold, waiting for him to begin.  As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes.  It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view.   So he has been here.  He has given his statement.  It has been destroyed for some reason.   Did he change his mind?   Can you even do that?  Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?

Page 148/149:  Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is.  How smart he is.  I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess.  And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently.  How he exibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother.  How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases.  After about thirty minutes she concludes by tell us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his definant behavior.

Now it's my turn.  I have no intention of matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments.  And cut to the chase.  Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10 and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general's office.  The sexually explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee.  Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them.  How their son described my daughter's pubic area, her underwear.  How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up.  I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened.  Little bead of sweat form across Paulus' brow and forehead.

Page 157/158:  No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support."

"Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us. 1.  Beth Holloway learns almost immediately after arriving on the Island of Aruban that the last person who was with her daughter prior to disappearing had lied to the Mountain Brook students.

Page 182:  Helen is very positive.  "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says.  Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.  Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!.  Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk.  Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Page 183:  The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show". They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.

Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?

Through it all ...

Pages 209/210:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...

Page 227:  Jug has supported me through this entire nightmare.  And we have done everything we can.

Pages 230/231:  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.
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« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2009, 04:02:44 AM »

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I have transferred all my data posts (2005-2007) to another thread.  This will save you the trouble of looking through this thread for my final drafts when compiling the presentation.

I will be going to bed now but ... will attempt to do the data posts for 2008 and 2009 first thing in the morning.  We will be taking off for the entire day around 9:00 am and will not be back until evening.

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« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2009, 10:06:18 AM »

goodmorning monkeys

this is a great idea

just a thought
as a newbee i find it hard to determine what
has been deemed....FACT vs debatable vs fiction
yous have gathered SOOOOOO much info here
its mind boggling
also you may want to set up an EASY accessable
and EASY to use ...TIP SPOT.....just for tips that might be
coming your way.......ie  a spot where people can
leave hints and tips that are not responded to
on that ..TIP spot but possibly on the main Natalee
line ..this way the single line tips wont get lost in the mountains of
info
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« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2009, 10:14:47 AM »

2007

THE OCEAN SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

In mid December of 2007 a crew of Americans on board a vessel named The Persistence begins a search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the waters off Aruba.  On Christmas Day a discovery is made while sonar scanning the ocean floor.  The discovery was a large fish trap.  On December 29th an ROV is ultilized to capture images of what is contained within.

Kyle Kingman, the ROV operator and remote analysis on board the Persistence, came to the conclusion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed within that trap.

However, on a December 30, 2007, Aruban divers claimed that their investigation revealed there was nothing related to the Natalee Holloway case inside the trap.

John Silvetti, the Project Lead on board the Persistence, accepted the words of the Aruban divers unconditionally.
   
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The Persistence - Key Personnal

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

Kyle Kingman:  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.

Kyle Kingman:  John (Silvetti) is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.
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« Reply #75 on: April 19, 2009, 10:21:55 AM »

Good Morning ohcanada

I am off for the day.  Decision on how this presentation will be compiled will be left to the discretion of Lifesong and Monkeys.

Janet
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« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2009, 10:42:59 AM »

2008

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.


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In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.
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« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2009, 10:52:26 AM »

Lifesong

I have transferred all my data posts (2005-2007) to another thread.  This will save you the trouble of looking through this thread for my final drafts when compiling the presentation.

I will be going to bed now but ... will attempt to do the data posts for 2008 and 2009 first thing in the morning.  We will be taking off for the entire day around 9:00 am and will not be back until evening.

Janet
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DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4890.new#new


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I apologize.  Time has run out.  I failed to complete data posts for 2008 and ... nothing for 2009.  If time permitted I had plan on doing data posts on the following:
 
2008:
Side scanning by Persistence at Monserat Pond.

2009:
Dave Holloway's search of the Monserat Pond.
Beth's production.

Anyways ... in the compiling of this presentation ... feel free do what you what with my data posts.  Editing or omitting is fine with me.  I will leave it up to the discretion of you and others as to what should be included.

Janet
7:55 AM PT
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« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2009, 10:58:49 AM »

Have a good Sunday all!!

It is a very exciting day for us all.  Beth Holloway will once again be a voice for her daughter.

 

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« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2009, 11:00:56 AM »



 


Terrific posts, Tamikosmom!!


Please give me your advice on how to go about this without you tonight...I'm thinking...quoting these right into the discussion thread when I see the guest count rising?   

I'll also put together the email addresses that caesu had given us and emails to the new Sec. of State Dept. and US administration and post those as well, can't hurt right?

My plans today were cancelled - a lovely day on the lake  - due to storms in the forecast.  I have a lot of free time on my hands now if there's anything else you can think of that may be helpful for me to gather.








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