Haleigh Marie Cummings #13 4/28/09 - 5/07/09

[Searching]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

When Crystal was telling her story of the court custody hearings/decision, she seemed quite bitter with the court system. If she felt the way it seems she did, I am thinking this was the easier way. If Haleigh either does not know whom she is being kept by or is being told she must never tell or something will happen to mommy,do you think she will tell?? I don't.  There have been abducted people dropped off places in the middle of the night and no one seen who dropped them off. It is possible and I have thought this a very plausible theory from the start. I see something far different in Crystal then some do and fear of RC is not something I see.

[no rose colored glasses]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

  And as well, wouldn't that automatically negate the custody arrangements if it was largely influenced by the supposed neglectful care while at her father's house?

Yes, I just can't wrap my mind around this, I have tried. And if this is what happened, there certainly was no thought process that went into this at all.  Is the kidnapper just going to come out with Haleigh one day, and what is Haleigh all going to say about this, would this child not have anger and abandonment issues from this ordeal.?

[no rose colored glasses]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

When Crystal was telling her story of the court custody hearings/decision, she seemed quite bitter with the court system. If she felt the way it seems she did, I am thinking this was the easier way. If Haleigh either does not know whom she is being kept by or is being told she must never tell or something will happen to mommy,do you think she will tell?? I don't.  There have been abducted people dropped off places in the middle of the night and no one seen who dropped them off. It is possible and I have thought this a very plausible theory from the start. I see something far different in Crystal then some do and fear of RC is not something I see.

I personally don't have much use for any of them, frankly.

[Heart]

Good sunday morning monkeys and lurkers,
would anyone care to discuss the missing child Haleigh Cummings today?

Good morning Mio, and yes, I would like to discuss Haleigh, as just last evening , I had a new thought, and wanted to see what the monkeys think.

could this have happened >>-> The night was dark, children in floor beds, misty edgy from lack of drugs after partying all weekend. Amber and misty had had words previously, and amber is still miffed at misty for having her man, and so she makes a plan.

Amber gets nay nay, and they go to Misty's house. Nay nay goes in, while amber hides outside. nay nay tells misty to come on out, she knows where they can score some drugs. Misty props open back door, as she has no key. AS soon as nay nay and misty leave house, Amber goes in the back propped door to retrieve Haleigh.

She changes Haleigh's clothes to day clothes, and leaves them at back door, on the way out she grabs Haleigh's inhaler. Haleigh knows Amber well, so she would go with her. Amber walked with Haleigh to railroad tracks where vehicle was waiting. Amber drove around the culdesac waiting for nay nay to return with misty.

Nay nay returns, then leaves misty to find that Haleigh is missing. Amber took Haleigh , and drove her off somewhere, which means she could very well still be alive. Misty knows, this so, she blackmailed Ron into marrying her, in order for Amber not to ever be able to marry Ron.

this theory gives reasons as to why dogs went around in that circle, and stopped at railroad tracks. It explains the missing inhaler, and the changing of the clothes left at the back door, as well as reports of misty being gone from the house that night.  It also explains why misty would prop the back door open, and how easy it was for someone to come inside and take Haleigh, after all, was it not Misty who told Amber on myspace, that she had her man, and would soon get her child too? 
Maybe amber turned the cards, and took Haleigh first, with a little help from her friend nay nay.

The only thing I can not figure into this equation is the location Amber took Haleigh to.
Finding Haleigh Is the most important thing for us all to do, using any tool we can find.
But, I also hope everyone remembers we are most strong when we band together as one , with one common goal.  This is only a theory to be either torn apart, or be seen with some merit.  And most of all, this is my opinion,  not prov-en fact.. mio

Good morning Monkeys and guests!

Where is Haleigh!

Where is Lisa Brooks, who has a warrant out for her arrest for robbery and rumor has it that her intentions are to leave the state? Who also beat up Misty previously. Who is mother to Amber, the same Amber that Misty almost got into a physical altercation with during the 3 day partying spree prior to Haleigh missing. The same Amber that Misty posted a message on Amber's myspace page: i got ur man and i will have ur baby to

[mlee]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

Actually, no.. the le has an open door, stay out of jail they announced for anyone to tell them where Haleigh is, and the circumstance around her disappearance.  No, they would walk away scot free. The only problem I see with the offer, if it were extended to changing the custody of Little Ron and guarenteed that Haleigh would not return to her father's custody.  Right now, even with the open door you still have the issue, that if Haleigh were returned today, right now or five minutes from now, she would still be returned to ron.  And I don't believe she will be returned until it is a guarentee that she won't go back to ron, and that little ron will not be there either.  In my opinion that is the hold up.. 

[k8]

I am definitely not close to any of these characters. And it is my desire that Haleigh is back and safe tomorrow. 

However I do have to say if Cobra decided to take it upon himself and or to oblige KP or Mr Grund to go to  Satsuma and the surrounding areas in Florida, then he should fit the bill or ask his cohorts KP and Grund to foot the bill.  After all is this not one of his jobs, bountyhunter, PI or whatever.

KP has said that it was Crystal that phoned her requesting assistance.
KP is working for and/or assisting Crystal.
Cobra is assisting KP, which would mean that he is assisting Crystal as well, regardless of him saying and or just wanting to find Haleigh.

Unless the donations are soaring in since the following article was published:
Community contributes to Haleigh's family funds
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:CoJBOgXHGEcJ:www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds+haleigh+cummings+funding+kim+picazio&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Imho Kim Picazio and perhaps Geraldo Rivera should be footing the bill for Cobra.
Or perhaps Cobra should not bite off more than he can chew.



Heart, as I posted here before........KP had already told Cobra that she didnt think he was needed or could do anything else for this case and he did leave for awhile.......she told him if he wanted to continue on his own that was fine.......after a few weeks he came back all  by himself.........No KP doesnt owe him anything!!!!!!!!!!!

HH, I must have missed your post regarding KP informing Cobra that he was no longer needed.

Well that puts the ball in Cobra's court.

I did see on The Bald Truth where Cobra and Art Harris posted something about the funds needed.  So perhaps Cobra should take up the suggestions of selling tee-shirts or perhaps he can pawn that mini machine gun that he was show boating a week or so ago, jmo.

Oh HH, for the second time what is the deal regarding the cross on Misty's Myspace page?

He was a half brother of misty from what I understand
http://www.myspace.com/83_dukes_07
http://www.eneafuneralhomes.com/obit-details.asp?ID=1478
The cross is on the myspace page.

[Heart]

Hello Monkeys,
I have lurked for over a year, finally joined and have sat on my hands at times wanting to post.  Have visited many, many sites and SM is truly the best of the best.
Have followed you all and at times sat in amazement at all the information you have found and continue to find.  When HH went down to visit the center...I waited with baited breath for the news and the pictures.  This group is truly amazing.
One thing I have learned...when there is no news, frustration comes instead.  Everyone here wants the truth to come out, and most of all wants Haleigh to be found.  We have been use to the daily information coming from the Anthony case so this case is totally opposite in that respect.  LE is giving out nothing.
It is very frustrating, we all want to know..and we all want to find this precious little girl. 
Please don't give up on Haleigh...and please don't give up on the Monkeys...
Am back to Lurking and Learning....Hugs to you all.

Hi little lulu and welcome aboard.

Thank you very much for the compliment about the site and the Monkeys.

We are definitely not giving up on the little Haleigh, nor the Monkeys.

Have a wonderful Sunday!

[Heart]

I am definitely not close to any of these characters. And it is my desire that Haleigh is back and safe tomorrow. 

However I do have to say if Cobra decided to take it upon himself and or to oblige KP or Mr Grund to go to  Satsuma and the surrounding areas in Florida, then he should fit the bill or ask his cohorts KP and Grund to foot the bill.  After all is this not one of his jobs, bountyhunter, PI or whatever.

KP has said that it was Crystal that phoned her requesting assistance.
KP is working for and/or assisting Crystal.
Cobra is assisting KP, which would mean that he is assisting Crystal as well, regardless of him saying and or just wanting to find Haleigh.

Unless the donations are soaring in since the following article was published:
Community contributes to Haleigh's family funds
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:CoJBOgXHGEcJ:www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds+haleigh+cummings+funding+kim+picazio&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Imho Kim Picazio and perhaps Geraldo Rivera should be footing the bill for Cobra.
Or perhaps Cobra should not bite off more than he can chew.



Heart, as I posted here before........KP had already told Cobra that she didnt think he was needed or could do anything else for this case and he did leave for awhile.......she told him if he wanted to continue on his own that was fine.......after a few weeks he came back all  by himself.........No KP doesnt owe him anything!!!!!!!!!!!

HH, I must have missed your post regarding KP informing Cobra that he was no longer needed.

Well that puts the ball in Cobra's court.

I did see on The Bald Truth where Cobra and Art Harris posted something about the funds needed.  So perhaps Cobra should take up the suggestions of selling tee-shirts or perhaps he can pawn that mini machine gun that he was show boating a week or so ago, jmo.

Oh HH, for the second time what is the deal regarding the cross on Misty's Myspace page?

He was a half brother of misty from what I understand
http://www.myspace.com/83_dukes_07
http://www.eneafuneralhomes.com/obit-details.asp?ID=1478
The cross is on the myspace page.

Thanks k8.  However that does not explain the interest in the cross and what it has to do with this case or Haleigh's where abouts. 

What we want to know is why the question was posed to begin with.

[mlee]

I am definitely not close to any of these characters. And it is my desire that Haleigh is back and safe tomorrow. 

However I do have to say if Cobra decided to take it upon himself and or to oblige KP or Mr Grund to go to  Satsuma and the surrounding areas in Florida, then he should fit the bill or ask his cohorts KP and Grund to foot the bill.  After all is this not one of his jobs, bountyhunter, PI or whatever.

KP has said that it was Crystal that phoned her requesting assistance.
KP is working for and/or assisting Crystal.
Cobra is assisting KP, which would mean that he is assisting Crystal as well, regardless of him saying and or just wanting to find Haleigh.

Unless the donations are soaring in since the following article was published:
Community contributes to Haleigh's family funds
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:CoJBOgXHGEcJ:www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds+haleigh+cummings+funding+kim+picazio&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Imho Kim Picazio and perhaps Geraldo Rivera should be footing the bill for Cobra.
Or perhaps Cobra should not bite off more than he can chew.



Heart, as I posted here before........KP had already told Cobra that she didnt think he was needed or could do anything else for this case and he did leave for awhile.......she told him if he wanted to continue on his own that was fine.......after a few weeks he came back all  by himself.........No KP doesnt owe him anything!!!!!!!!!!!

HH, I must have missed your post regarding KP informing Cobra that he was no longer needed.

Well that puts the ball in Cobra's court.

I did see on The Bald Truth where Cobra and Art Harris posted something about the funds needed.  So perhaps Cobra should take up the suggestions of selling tee-shirts or perhaps he can pawn that mini machine gun that he was show boating a week or so ago, jmo.

Oh HH, for the second time what is the deal regarding the cross on Misty's Myspace page?

He was a half brother of misty from what I understand
http://www.myspace.com/83_dukes_07
http://www.eneafuneralhomes.com/obit-details.asp?ID=1478
The cross is on the myspace page.

Thank you K8, I guess that clears that one up.. I had not seen the cross on the other ms, and figured it was within the photos on the slideshows.   

[mizjay]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

Actually, no.. the le has an open door, stay out of jail they announced for anyone to tell them where Haleigh is, and the circumstance around her disappearance.  No, they would walk away scot free. The only problem I see with the offer, if it were extended to changing the custody of Little Ron and guarenteed that Haleigh would not return to her father's custody.  Right now, even with the open door you still have the issue, that if Haleigh were returned today, right now or five minutes from now, she would still be returned to ron.  And I don't believe she will be returned until it is a guarentee that she won't go back to ron, and that little ron will not be there either.  In my opinion that is the hold up.. 

 But wouldn't that guarantee only be extended to the one person who divulged that info?  All the other players including Crystal would be held accountable, prosecuted for kidnapping, obstruction and whatever else, so in the end surely the custody deal would be moot, right?  It seems like a huge gamble with only the tiniest chance of success.

[no rose colored glasses]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

Actually, no.. the le has an open door, stay out of jail they announced for anyone to tell them where Haleigh is, and the circumstance around her disappearance.  No, they would walk away scot free. The only problem I see with the offer, if it were extended to changing the custody of Little Ron and guarenteed that Haleigh would not return to her father's custody.  Right now, even with the open door you still have the issue, that if Haleigh were returned today, right now or five minutes from now, she would still be returned to ron.  And I don't believe she will be returned until it is a guarentee that she won't go back to ron, and that little ron will not be there either.  In my opinion that is the hold up.. 

But how long for the courts to decide such a thing? Months, a year, in that time someone will surely see this child, who on Crystal's side do you feel would do this, and does Crystal not no anything about this arrangement?

[mlee]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

Actually, no.. the le has an open door, stay out of jail they announced for anyone to tell them where Haleigh is, and the circumstance around her disappearance.  No, they would walk away scot free. The only problem I see with the offer, if it were extended to changing the custody of Little Ron and guarenteed that Haleigh would not return to her father's custody.  Right now, even with the open door you still have the issue, that if Haleigh were returned today, right now or five minutes from now, she would still be returned to ron.  And I don't believe she will be returned until it is a guarentee that she won't go back to ron, and that little ron will not be there either.  In my opinion that is the hold up.. 

But how long for the courts to decide such a thing? Months, a year, in that time someone will surely see this child, who on Crystal's side do you feel would do this, and does Crystal not no anything about this arrangement?

I don't know..... LE knows more than we do, I am sure of that..  And sure they look at all the issues and will make big decisions when the time comes. The court action, depends on how much ron's attorney stall's it off, if he does..  It is on the docket.. And what this entire thing has cost the county is unreal.. But they have also learned many many things in this process, things that people from that area never wanted to become open, or public.. The LE now sees life as it really is, and so do many of the citizens.  This has been a wake up, and major shake up for that community.  And there really is no cloaking any longer.  We will all just have to wait and see..  And when said and done, and we wait tp see if anybody does go to jail over this.. Maybe they will and Maybe they won't.. can't second guess what LE will do....

[no rose colored glasses]

mlee, that's for sure we will have to wait and see what LE does, and a can of worms sure has been opened in that town of 10,000 or so people.

[mlee]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

Actually, no.. the le has an open door, stay out of jail they announced for anyone to tell them where Haleigh is, and the circumstance around her disappearance.  No, they would walk away scot free. The only problem I see with the offer, if it were extended to changing the custody of Little Ron and guarenteed that Haleigh would not return to her father's custody.  Right now, even with the open door you still have the issue, that if Haleigh were returned today, right now or five minutes from now, she would still be returned to ron.  And I don't believe she will be returned until it is a guarentee that she won't go back to ron, and that little ron will not be there either.  In my opinion that is the hold up.. 

 But wouldn't that guarantee only be extended to the one person who divulged that info?  All the other players including Crystal would be held accountable, prosecuted for kidnapping, obstruction and whatever else, so in the end surely the custody deal would be moot, right?  It seems like a huge gamble with only the tiniest chance of success.

They would have to prove who else may or may not have known.. There is no proof of anything yet.  If Le could prove anyone at this point or in 6 years were guilty of kidnappin, obstruction or whatever else, then someone might go to jail..  But, if one person walks up and say's hey it was me, and no one else helped.. then that's it....  I don't believe that this opportunity is going to come about anyway.. I think when all is said and done, little Haleigh will just reappear, safe and sound, well and happy, and she will just walk into a store or a church or even the pd and say "my name is Haleigh"..  Will they question her, of course.. but she is only 5, and you never know what a 5 year old may say..

[mizjay]

But wouldn't the person who took Haleigh because of a custody issue be in big trouble for taking her? And why go to the bother of doing it the way he/she did it, there certainly would have been an easier way than this.

Actually, no.. the le has an open door, stay out of jail they announced for anyone to tell them where Haleigh is, and the circumstance around her disappearance.  No, they would walk away scot free. The only problem I see with the offer, if it were extended to changing the custody of Little Ron and guarenteed that Haleigh would not return to her father's custody.  Right now, even with the open door you still have the issue, that if Haleigh were returned today, right now or five minutes from now, she would still be returned to ron.  And I don't believe she will be returned until it is a guarentee that she won't go back to ron, and that little ron will not be there either.  In my opinion that is the hold up.. 

 But wouldn't that guarantee only be extended to the one person who divulged that info?  All the other players including Crystal would be held accountable, prosecuted for kidnapping, obstruction and whatever else, so in the end surely the custody deal would be moot, right?  It seems like a huge gamble with only the tiniest chance of success.

They would have to prove who else may or may not have known.. There is no proof of anything yet.  If Le could prove anyone at this point or in 6 years were guilty of kidnappin, obstruction or whatever else, then someone might go to jail..  But, if one person walks up and say's hey it was me, and no one else helped.. then that's it....  I don't believe that this opportunity is going to come about anyway.. I think when all is said and done, little Haleigh will just reappear, safe and sound, well and happy, and she will just walk into a store or a church or even the pd and say "my name is Haleigh"..  Will they question her, of course.. but she is only 5, and you never know what a 5 year old may say..

  HMMMMM.........it's all so crazy to think about,  my brain is numb.  LE just does't seem like the  dependable sort of folks to make deals with.  Not that they're dishonest but they are sneaky about wording and all, and I can't imagine that they want to look the fool in the eyes of national media.
At this point, no bets from me.  Too many bad guys, not enough good guys

[Kat_Gram]

I don't think Nay Nay or Amber or anyone else had anything to do with this.
What they want from Amber and Nay Nay and Greg is was Misty with any of them that night ? And where was Haleigh if Misty was out and about looking for more drugs. Drugs. They live for the drugs. We need to breathe, they needs their drugs.
.
It was reported on Art's site that Haleigh wouldn't go to sleep. Misty called Ron at work.
.
Misty has lawyered up.
As long as Misty stays quiet, they have gotten away with it. It's been three months. Let's face it, things don't look good for a positive outcome for Haleigh.   

[Idgie]

Whoever is the guilty party in this case, whoever tells lies, whoever is covering for someone else, whoever has Haleigh....

Shame on ALL OF YOU....for putting a 5 yr old beautiful little girl in the middle of a disagreement or conflict or whatever you want to call it, that caused Haleigh to go missing.

If the lying, covering, partying and drugs make you feel like an ADULT...guess AGAIN.

Haleigh is the one suffering.....do you feel better now????

This is nothing more than a cheap shot!!!!

   Gramma who is this to?

Searching ~  It is to WHOEVER is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.

Thank you and MLee for answering, I was a bit confused there for a bit. I do agree that whomever is behind the abduction of this little girl should be very ashamed of themselves for using such a beautiful,innocent child for their own twisted game pawn.All the adults in this childs life should be ashamed of themselves just the same for muddying the waters so much with their own game of torture the ex and exes family and redirecting the attention to themselves in this selfishness they are doing instead of where it should be,on Haleigh and finding her. The Grands should be smart enough and decent enough to knock their heads together and say enough is enough,it is time to come TOGETHER as PARENTS and think about your children instead of yourselves,stop the mudslinging campaign and worry about where Haleigh is and finding her.. Please,do not go into the Crystal is doing this and that to find her because Crystal is also the main one slinging the mud.The Haleigh bug foundation is a step to doing something but the mud slinging needs to stop,and that includes all the Crystal supporters on the net to,do they not realize they are helping to make her look bad by going from forum to forum slinging mud at Ron?

Thank you Searching, finally a voice of reason. It is a real shame that if you are not here soley to bash the Cummings family and spread the fake rumors as truths you get run off every Haleigh forum there is. In this country where we are suppose to be able to say our opinion freely we are not allowed to do that on those very same forums.

[no rose colored glasses]

I don't think Nay Nay or Amber or anyone else had anything to do with this.
What they want from Amber and Nay Nay and Greg is was Misty with any of them that night ? And where was Haleigh if Misty was out and about looking for more drugs. Drugs. They live for the drugs. We need to breathe, they needs their drugs.
.
It was reported on Art's site that Haleigh wouldn't go to sleep. Misty called Ron at work.
.
Misty has lawyered up.
As long as Misty stays quiet, they have gotten away with it. It's been three months. Let's face it, things don't look good for a positive outcome for Haleigh.   

Yes, I agree with you completely.

[Kat_Gram]

I don't think Nay Nay or Amber or anyone else had anything to do with this.
What they want from Amber and Nay Nay and Greg is was Misty with any of them that night ? And where was Haleigh if Misty was out and about looking for more drugs. Drugs. They live for the drugs. We need to breathe, they needs their drugs.
.
It was reported on Art's site that Haleigh wouldn't go to sleep. Misty called Ron at work.
.
Misty has lawyered up.
As long as Misty stays quiet, they have gotten away with it. It's been three months. Let's face it, things don't look good for a positive outcome for Haleigh.   

Yes, I agree with you completely.

Yes and I agree with you. We are agreeable girls.
ps Didn't LP offer a limited time offer reward ? It was a big one too. No questions asked either.

[no rose colored glasses]

I don't think Nay Nay or Amber or anyone else had anything to do with this.
What they want from Amber and Nay Nay and Greg is was Misty with any of them that night ? And where was Haleigh if Misty was out and about looking for more drugs. Drugs. They live for the drugs. We need to breathe, they needs their drugs.
.
It was reported on Art's site that Haleigh wouldn't go to sleep. Misty called Ron at work.
.
Misty has lawyered up.
As long as Misty stays quiet, they have gotten away with it. It's been three months. Let's face it, things don't look good for a positive outcome for Haleigh.   

Yes, I agree with you completely.

Yes and I agree with you. We are agreeable girls.
ps Didn't LP offer a limited time offer reward ? It was a big one too. No questions asked either.

Yes he did, the amount I do not remember off hand.