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« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2009, 03:57:16 PM »

Connie Lawless's brother:

Our Pastor

Elder Arthur DeWayne Harris was saved and baptized at the age of nine, and entered the ministry when he was 18 years of age. Ordained by the Douglas Street Missionary Baptist Church of Omak, Washington, he began his pastorate work in May, 1963.

He attended three years at Landmark Baptist College in San Jose, California; doing course studies in Theology, Church History, New Testament Greek, and Homiletics. Upon completion of all required courses, he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Religious Studies from Sacramento Baptist College and Seminary. Although he found classroom studies to be very helpful as well as rigorous, he accredits most of his Bible education and indoctrination to his father, Elder A.A. Harris, who went to be with the Lord in November, 1989.

Elder Harris has been pastoring the Alisal Baptist Church for over 31 years and is the Dean of the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. He also distributes monthly Sunday School Literature to various churches of like faith.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:U8yOXOVaC9wJ:www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/pastor.php+A+A+Harris+baptist&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



Blue from me.. Isnt that mentioned as a college in that freak site?

Lone monkey, I think it was you who asked about ideas to research: I would definately research the licences and insurances, indoctrinations, etc, associated with the state of California and if these folks are compliant. Any filings for the church, churches in question.
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« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2009, 04:00:19 PM »

Connie Lawless's brother:

Our Pastor

Elder Arthur DeWayne Harris was saved and baptized at the age of nine, and entered the ministry when he was 18 years of age. Ordained by the Douglas Street Missionary Baptist Church of Omak, Washington, he began his pastorate work in May, 1963.

He attended three years at Landmark Baptist College in San Jose, California; doing course studies in Theology, Church History, New Testament Greek, and Homiletics. Upon completion of all required courses, he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Religious Studies from Sacramento Baptist College and Seminary. Although he found classroom studies to be very helpful as well as rigorous, he accredits most of his Bible education and indoctrination to his father, Elder A.A. Harris, who went to be with the Lord in November, 1989.

Elder Harris has been pastoring the Alisal Baptist Church for over 31 years and is the Dean of the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. He also distributes monthly Sunday School Literature to various churches of like faith.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:U8yOXOVaC9wJ:www.alisalbaptistchurch.org/pastor.php+A+A+Harris+baptist&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca



Blue from me.. Isnt that mentioned as a college in that freak site?

Lone monkey, I think it was you who asked about ideas to research: I would definately research the licences and insurances, indoctrinations, etc, associated with the state of California and if these folks are compliant. Any filings for the church, churches in question.
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« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2009, 04:07:05 PM »

Does anyone else find these things weird? 

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Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


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A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


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Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   

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« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2009, 04:35:07 PM »

Does anyone else find these things weird? 

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Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


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A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


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Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   



Skype?  Sorry, need some humour, chasing down all these pastors is making my head spin.  They seem very interrelated...one could almost use the word as incestuously related?
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« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2009, 04:39:25 PM »

Great Post Izzy!

Monkeys,
This article has a lot of info., not all new but worth the read.

Snipped:
"According to public records, Huckaby lives with her grandfather, Clifford Lane Lawless, who is pastor of the church, which is just 500 yards from their home.

Her marital status was unclear Saturday.

"She spent an extraordinary amount of time" at the church, Sheneman said.

Police seized evidence from the church, but Sheneman declined to identify it. He said authorities had "significant details" on Huckaby's criminal record but would not discuss them.

According to public records, Huckaby was convicted of felony property theft in Los Angeles County in November 2006.

She was born Melissa Chantel Lawless in 1981 in Orange County, according to public records.

Federal court records show that Melissa Chantel Lawless of Tracy filed for bankruptcy protection in 2003. She listed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry. Her debts totaled $26,300, which included thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card expenses, according to the records.

Mary Jones of Livermore, Calif., who described herself as a longtime friend of the Lawless family, said she has known Huckaby since she was a little girl.

There are really 2 things I take away from this article.  First, Sheneman's comment about MH spending an extraordinary amount of time at the church, while in the same breath commenting that they have significant details about her criminal history tells us a lot--it certainly supports the porn ring theory.

Second, while I've thought a lot over the past few weeks about how Sandra's mother is doing, it never quite dawned on me how hard her brother and sisters, namely the 11 year old sister, are handling this, until I read this article.  I'm sure they were incredibly close being they were so close in age.  Admittedly, that simple sentence brought tears to my eyes.
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« Reply #85 on: April 27, 2009, 04:48:35 PM »

Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?
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« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2009, 04:57:44 PM »

Does anyone else find these things weird? 

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Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


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A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


----------


Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   



Once the donations start rolling in, he can go do a ...out of town...trip, so he says, and pastor the other church until the donations keep rolling in.  These people have to live, and without jobs, guess the good hearted working people have been supporting their A$$es.
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« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2009, 05:11:29 PM »

Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306


Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.


WT...???

Holy Mary Mother of God..that is the sickest post I have ever read ..what evil lurks in these people's hearts. 

How they can even consider themselves people of God when they write such trash! 

Their headline says it all..Unbelievers Unwelcome..most churches are hoping the unbelievers (usually phrased non-believers) will come in and sit a spell to be able to show them God's true acceptance and kindness.   

These people worship a God that has nothing to do with Christianity and more to do with ignorance.
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« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2009, 05:25:18 PM »

Okay..I get it is a spoof..but truly..under present circumstances with this case..is that at all funny?  Why do they think it is funny to make fun of religion..I think the cast of characters in this crime are way ahead of them in that realm.
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« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2009, 05:53:37 PM »

Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Yes that is him, he is also in other pics that I posted from that website
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« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2009, 05:56:47 PM »

Does anyone else find these things weird? 

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Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.






Sorry!  Pressed enter before I posted.  Here are some links for you.  I don't have time to check them, have to leave to pick up my son from school.

http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=Warner+Alliance+Church
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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2009, 06:20:09 PM »

Hey Guys-

Anyone interested working through the recent arrest of Timoth J Lawless and the connection to Melissa Huckaby, I started this thread. We are approaching 300 comments on this article and I think its a better idea to get lots of monkey eyes on the developments..


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4964.msg787374#msg787374
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« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2009, 06:40:25 PM »

Blink here is what I gathered on the whole Famdangaly.  The DOB's will help with determinign who is father and who is son.  It also lists other possible alias, as they go between Mom's maiden and married names:

Lawless
Short
Tieken, and
Gomes

Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless

Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless

Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken

Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken

Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married himcaifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken


Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for marilyn and manuel gomes






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« Reply #93 on: April 27, 2009, 07:01:41 PM »

Does Timothy Lawless have any children???
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« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2009, 07:07:33 PM »

Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Did anyone notice the guy in the back in front of the window with the fat bottom lip??? Wonder who he is and does am I wrong or does he look like a shaved version of the perp in the video???
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« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2009, 07:10:48 PM »

Alisal Baptist Church 14th Annual Pacific Coast Fellowship Conference, 2008
W. L. Brown March 22, 2008

Pastor DeWayne Harris and the Alisal Baptist Church of Salinas, California hosted a wonderful and Spirit-filled conference March 19-21. Each evening service was filled, not only with people, but with preaching, singing, and the presence of the Lord. The services during the days were also full and rich with the preaching, singing and fellowship.



http://www.carmichaelbaptist.org/news.htm

Is that not Lane Lawless 3rd from the left?

Did anyone notice the guy in the back in front of the window with the fat bottom lip??? Wonder who he is and does am I wrong or does he look like a shaved version of the perp in the video???
He does 
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« Reply #96 on: April 27, 2009, 07:30:06 PM »

Blink here is what I gathered on the whole Famdangaly.  The DOB's will help with determinign who is father and who is son.  It also lists other possible alias, as they go between Mom's maiden and married names:

Lawless
Short
Tieken, and
Gomes

Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless

Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless

Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken

Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken

Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married himcaifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken


Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for marilyn and manuel gomes







My goodness I had to read this post 3 times! This case is officially over my head. I am a newby after all. I cannot keep track of all of this information. I am going to over there in the corner watching and learning from all of you smart people, maybe throw a comment out every now and then.

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« Reply #97 on: April 27, 2009, 07:34:09 PM »

Does anyone else find these things weird? 

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Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the First Church of God in Clarkston, Washington
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/

Bill Creutzberg, pastor of the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


Creutzberg is pastor of two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


The website for Warner Alliance Church and google links have been removed.


----------


A source close to the investigation said that in the mid-'80s there were allegations of child abuse and/or molestation somehow connected to the First Church of God. Lawless was working at the Clarkston church at the time and was questioned regarding the allegations, but nobody was ever charged.

Current First Church of God Rev. Bill Creutzberg, who was not at the church at the time the allegations were made, said he was aware of the earlier investigation.

After going through records, Creutzberg said he couldn’t find any evidence that Lawless ever regularly attended the church.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19269800/detail.html


and then there's this:


Pastor Bill Creutzberg of the Warner Alliance Church did confirm that he had been interviewed by the FBI concerning the case on Good Friday, but said he told them the same thing he told Action News, that he knows nothing about Lawless.
http://www.klewtv.com/news/43641802.html


----------


Lane Lawless has pastored the Clover Road Baptist Church in Tracy CA - since 1981. 


Lane Lawless pastored the First Church of God in Clarkston, WA - in the mid 1980s. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386966/
Athough apparently, according to Creutzberg in the article posted earlier, there's no 'evidence' that Lawless ever regularly attended the church. 


Lawless has pastored two different type of churches, in two different states, at the same time?   


How does one "pastor" a church, without regularly attending the church?   



Wyks that strikes me as odd too. Also, no one remembers him being at the church? None of the parishaners? Seems like at least one person would say, "oh yes I remember paster Lawless, he was....." But nothing! Makes me wonder if maybe he used another name or it was a cover for something else. My head hurts.
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« Reply #98 on: April 27, 2009, 07:36:12 PM »

Tracygirl, don't feel bad, my head hurts also, I'm kind of lost on some of this also 
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« Reply #99 on: April 27, 2009, 07:46:33 PM »

Now this is weird!!!!  You have to read the post!!!!!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=21306


Sister Mary Maria's (Twin?) Sister, sunday school tacher, and member (by marriage) of Mike Huckabee's family has been arrested for obeying the Bible:


OMG.  What a deranged group of individuals.  Biblical justification.  Wow.  Just when you think you've heard it all.


WT...???

Holy Mary Mother of God..that is the sickest post I have ever read ..what evil lurks in these people's hearts. 

How they can even consider themselves people of God when they write such trash! 

Their headline says it all..Unbelievers Unwelcome..most churches are hoping the unbelievers (usually phrased non-believers) will come in and sit a spell to be able to show them God's true acceptance and kindness.   

These people worship a God that has nothing to do with Christianity and more to do with ignorance.

OMG - what else can I say? 
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