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« on: April 21, 2009, 04:46:56 PM »

 Hugo Chavez has cultivated a world image of a cuddly, mischievous leftist.

But behind the softy socialist persona is a ruthless politician, a Venezuelan president whose regime is described by the U.S. State Department and others as one of the world's leading abusers of human, political and social rights.

Chavez's transgressions since taking office in 1999 have amounted to much more than merely throwing insults, as he did at former President Bush at the opening session of the 2006 U.N. General Assembly. It was there that Chavez described the American president, who had spoken one day earlier, as the "devil" whose sulfur stench remained at the podium.

Human Rights Violations

A 2006 State Department report on human rights documented a slew of abuses, including data implicating Chavez's security forces in about 6,000 killings over five years.

The department's annual Country Report on Human Rights practices released in March 2008 cited The Venezuelan Program of Action and Education in Human Rights statistic of 165 unlawful killings by Chavez security forces from October 2006 through September 2007.

The group reported that it received 11 complaints of torture and 692 complaints of cruel or degrading treatment during the same period, which was actually a decline from the year before.

"Reports of beatings and other humiliating treatment of suspects during arrests were common and involved various law enforcement agencies," reads the 2008 State Department report.

Workers Rights and Election Tampering

Alarms have been raised recently about Chavez's crackdown on his political opponents.

Manuel Rosales, mayor of Maracaibo, dropped out of sight a few weeks ago after the government filed corruption charges against him. Supporters say he has gone into hiding.

And he's not alone. Antonio Ledezma, another Chavez opponent, was elected mayor of Caracas in 2008 but is being barred from his office by his own police force, which attacked him when he tried to enter it.

"What's going on is persecution," said Susan Purcell, director of the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami.

The crackdown began after Chavez won the battle to remove presidential term limits, amending the nation's constitution in a February referendum.

"Discrimination on political grounds has been a defining feature of the Chavez presidency," Human Rights Watch wrote in a 2008 report, titled "A Decade Under Chavez."

The report said while Chavez came into office pursuing human rights reforms, a short-lived 2002 coup changed that aim and provided a "pretext" for government policies that undercut those protections. The Venezuelan government kicked Human Rights Watch monitors out of the country shortly after the report was released.

According to the Human Rights Watch report, Chavez:

-- Maneuvered a "political takeover" of the Supreme Court in 2004 by the president and his allies by signing legislation allowing his supporters to "pack and purge" the court.

-- Fired and blacklisted political opponents from state agencies and the Venezuelan oil company.

-- Denied citizens with unfavorable political opinions access to social programs.

-- Required state oversight and certification of union elections.

-- Engaged in reprisals against striking oil workers.

-- Subjected rights advocates to exaggerated charges and groundless investigations.

Media Control

Reporters Without Borders took Chavez to task in its 2008 report on press freedoms. It reported that Chavez:

-- Shut down RCTV, the major Venezuelan TV station, in 2007 by refusing to renew its license. Though Chavez apparently said he was not renewing the license because the station backed the 2002 coup, Reporters Without Borders said in its report that Chavez had a more sinister motive, since another TV station that backed the coup was allowed to continue operating. (RCTV later moved to cable, but was still threatened.)

-- Controls "nearly all the country's broadcasting." Chavez went on TV 1,500 times for more than 900 hours between January 1999 and November 2007. Plus he took up 1,000 hours on his Sunday show Alo Presidente.

-- Pushed for the creation of about 60 newspapers to support his agenda.

The State Department report also noted that harsh freedom-of-speech and press laws are still on the books in Venezuela.

-- The penal code was amended in 2005 so that insulting the president is punishable by up to 30 months in prison.

-- Inaccurate reporting that disturbs the public peace carries a sentence of up to five years.

Those laws have not prevented Chavez and his officials from singling out certain publications, according to the State Department.

"Independent media outlets and journalists were subject to public harassment by high-ranking government officials on state-owned media," the report reads. "The independent print media regularly engaged in self-censorship due to fear of government reprisal and in order to comply with laws regulating the media."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/21/chavez-transgressions-history-shocking-speeches/
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 05:15:52 PM »

President Obama said Sunday he's not concerned with the politics of shaking hands with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and is more interested in expanding a policy he described during his presidential campaign of extending an open hand to nations hostile to the U.S.

Obama received a book from the Venezuelan president on Saturday after greeting him on Friday evening during the weekend Summit of the Americas. Chavez told the Obama administration that he would like to send an ambassador to the U.S. in exchange for an ambassador in Venezuela. The U.S. suspended diplomatic ties last September.

U.S. officials responded that they need to see more from Chavez before moving forward but were pleased by the sentiment.

Obama did not make note that the book offered by Chavez, "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent," by Uruguayan journalist Eduardo Galeano, blames foreign interests like the United States for exploiting Latin America for centuries.

"It was a nice gesture to give me a book. I am a reader," Obama said during a solo press conference at the end of a the summit held in the Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago

"We had this debate throughout the campaign. I mean the whole notion was somehow that if we showed courtesy or opened up dialogue with governments that had previously been hostile to us that would show weakness. And the American people didn't buy it and there's a reason they didn't buy it -- because it didn't make sense," Obama said.

Obama credited Chavez, who has been slowly instituting constitutional changes that will allow him to become president for life in his country, with successfully stealing the limelight during the weekend summit. But he said meeting with the Venezuelan leader, who has made "inflammatory" anti-American comments, isn't going to break the United States.

"There have been instances where we've seen Venezuela interfere with some of the countries that surround Venezuela in ways that cause concern. On the other hand, Venezuela is a country whose defense budget is one-six hundredth of the United States. They own Citgo, the oil company. It's unlikely that as a consequence of me shaking hands or that having a polite conversation with Mr. Chavez that we endanger the strategic interests of the United States," Obama said.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/19/obama-calls-americas-summit-productive-demands-follow/
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 06:24:48 PM »

I share your concerns regarding the overture with Chavez and Obama's comments post the event, and acceptance of the book. However, last night BOR ran some footage I had not seen elsewhere, of another conversation between Obama and Chavez during that summit. Although there was no audio available for that discussion, it did appear that Obama was very aggressive within the conversation and Chavez was clearly expressionless.

That being said, just as Biden stated Obama would be 'tested' I think this blurb from Castro is yet another affirmation of both he and Chavez testing the Obama waters.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/22/castro.cuba.obama/index.html

It is clear now that Obama needs to have a clear position and posture, as well as strategy, for relations with Venezuela and Cuba that is one of strength and not acquiesence. I'm not sure Obama isn't still relying on his glad-handing talent to overcome the US's adversaries, nonetheless he's placing our country at clear risk until he ensures he has a position of strength to deal from to protect the US.

Unless.......that isn't his plan? I think that remains to be seen.........

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 06:20:38 PM »

Clearly this is not the way we're supposed to behave. Clearly this is not what we, as a formerly grumpy, petulant, first-world nation, expect from our president, from our attitude, from our typical chest-thumping, saber-rattling, kill-'em-all posture in the world.

See, what we do is, we stomp in. We huff and snort and make a portentous entrance full of cold swagger and terse, screw-you-if-you-disagree handshakes, ignoring the clammy mitts of those inflammatory commie jerks we don't like because they've called us icky names in the past but whose illegal narcotics we will gladly purchase by the megaton and whose oil we're going to go in and forcibly steal anyway ha ha sucker.

We say "screw you" to codes of courteous diplomacy whenever we damn well feel like it. We speak loudly and we carry the biggest stick and we don't hesitate to shove it where the sun don't shine. You got that, Hugo?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/04/22/notes042209.DTL


Yes, what we're supposed do is strut like an arrogant god into something like the 34-nation Summit of the Americas, a gathering most Americans know/care little about and which our media barely covers because it's so obviously teeming with a bunch of whiny, ungrateful little countries we could squash between our toes if we felt like it.

At such piffling events, we expect our president to do the usual macho dance, puff out his chest and shove our usual demands for compliance down everyone's throat, talk up military intervention and enrage those selfsame angry little countries even more by reiterating who's really in charge of this violent, overheated speck of a planet. Hey, it worked for Dubya, right? I mean, except for the global contempt and seething mistrust?

But then comes Obama. As usual, it appears he did not get the memo. He is clearly that most un-American of U.S. leaders, entirely dismissive of precedent and totally devoid of our characteristic bullying arrogance and openly disrespectful of How It's All Supposed To Go Down.


Here is an American president, participating in a conference of 'lesser' leaders, who nevertheless exhibits a Zen-like demeanor, is humble and respectful and quiet. Here is Obama, telling all leaders of every size and stripe that no one is above anyone else, that we must work together to solve the world's ills. What's more, it appears he actually means it.


WTF? Hey Mr. hippie community organizer! Don't you know these sleazeball thugs don't care about policy and playing nice? That they only want to rule the world and eat our babies and steal our Wi-Fi and buy our iPods and shoot nuclear warheads into our faces and say offensive things about us in their Twitter feeds? Or something?


Shockingly, despite not jamming America's boot into everyone's neck, our calm, deferential president came off, as usual, as a superstar. He deeply impressed nearly every leader present, owned the room, was the one everyone wrote home about -- not because of some sort of outsized Clinton-esque magnetism, and not because he overwhelmed the space with swagger and false bravado and superior firepower, while Dick Cheney snarled like an encephalitic shark in the background and flipped everyone off.


No, Obama was the leader to watch because he did that most rare of things among major world leaders: He listened. More than that, he heard. More than that, he did not insult, demean, degrade, patronize, scold. He shook hands and spoke cordially with everyone in the room, including supposed 'enemies' like Hugo Chavez, a clever pipsqueak of an America-hating media slut who is zero threat to the U.S. but who normally dominates the TV cameras anyway, but who was so disarmed by Obama's effortless, high-road calm that he suddenly had no footing, no audience, no stage from which to bluster and spit. Go figure.

As reported by the Miami Herald:

"[Obama] listened with an extraordinary patience, and he was intellectually elegant in his responses." - Chilean Foreign Minister Mariano Fernandez

"I can't recall a U.S. president who has sustained such an open-minded dialogue with the region." - Argentinean Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana

Naturally, all this articulate, respectful diplomacy means one of two things.


One: We are blindly kowtowing to all sorts of scummy, evil forces of the underworld and undermining America's godlike supremacy, and soon will be overrun by drug lords and baby rapists and fat, sweaty, cigar-chomping socialists who love to coddle baby-raping drug lords. This is known as the "Fox News angle." Also known as the "Hysteria Special," and also, simply, "The Limbaugh."


Option two: We are about to make extraordinary progress in the world, as we set a new tone of intelligent cooperation in our foreign policy, restoring much of the respect and international goodwill Bush so grossly destroyed, as we finally step back up to the adult's table, not as the domineering father figure everyone fears for his drunken, violent tirades, but as the kind of elegant intellect and influential peacemaker everyone wants to emulate.


That last thing? About emulation? I think that's the most potentially transformative thing of all.

See, we all know the idea of how Obama's raising everyone's game. It's barely 100 days in and already people speak glowingly of the Age of Obama, how the calm, constructive vibe he exudes like a beacon is actually changing people's everyday behaviors, redirecting our attention from violence and rancor and overconsumption toward something a little bit lighter, smarter, less fear obsessed, more respectful or even just simply nicer. The bastard.

Upon which we can propose a slightly radical amendment: What if it's not just us? What if it's not merely most of America whose behaviors and attitudes will shift and lift accordingly?


What if, as evidenced by the Summit of the Americas, it's also various prominent world leaders, many of whom formerly loathed or mistrusted the U.S., who suddenly see this highly intelligent, hugely popular, peacemaking U.S. president as worthy of stepping up and emulating? These are massive, tremulous egos we're talking about. Most of these guys want what Obama has achieved so effortlessly: the deep admiration and trust of his people, near-instantaneous global respect, the power to transform the planet.


What if Obama's genuine, Zen-like example proves an irresistible lure, as various leaders of the world see that you actually can govern successfully, not via the Bush method of coercion, dishonesty, misprision, antagonism and megalomania, but instead by way of respect and intellectual engagement and minimal drama, by actually not speaking down to your enemies or your own citizens alike?


What if, simply put, many of these guys begin to raise their games, calm the hell down and rise to the occasion of the Obama Era? Is that nothing short of changing the world?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/04/22/notes042209.DTL

I am not a Obama supporter, but this is a well written article and an opposing opinion.
I have a lot of respect for that.. The Writer makes some good points..

Too bad the world is such a nasty place with nasty people who will cut your throat and sit down next to your dead body eat your lunch.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 10:45:24 PM »

our new bumper sticker:

If your president isn't your friend, then who is?
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