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« Reply #320 on: April 25, 2009, 01:37:01 PM »

Wishin the Monkey's a goood Day.....

Thank you and the same to you.   

I put on my ignore hat this morning and it feels good....I knew that it would, ....doodoo doodoo doodoo doo

 

2NJ ... I have already put on my ignore hat this morning and ... it worked.

I went out to the back sundeck to put a container in the recycling bin.  There was garbage everywhere.  A racoon had lifted the lid of our garbage container and ...

You get the picture.

I tippy toed back inside the house and ... locked the back door.  In other words ... removed all evidence that I had seen the disaster on the other side of that door.

Well ... my hubby eventually discovered what I ignored and ... is in the process of cleaning the mess as I post.

I am soooo bad.

 

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« Reply #321 on: April 25, 2009, 01:40:19 PM »

Does this count as drinking coffee?

 

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« Reply #322 on: April 25, 2009, 01:46:01 PM »

Good afternoon all!! I hope everyone is healthy and happy and enjoying some much needed warm weather and sunshine.

Something has been on my mind for the longest time and I guess today is the day.

Remember the gardener? I think his name was Ramos... but it's been so gosh darn long I think I might have forgot it. I know Natalee's dogs name... but the gardener - well, there's a blank there. (Janet warned me that getting older was hard)

Let's suppose, for one second, that this guy was in the employ of the crooked and corrupt Mansur family. Ohhh wait - we don't have to do that. He WAS. (There's no doubt in my mind, THAT'S ONE CROOKED FAMILY. And I have known alot about that family for a long time, but generally don't mention Jossy cause he APPEARS to be a family supporter. But, he's crooked and we all know that.)

Let's say that his story is not true. And by not true. I MEAN it's just not TRUE. It's a fallacy.

In all of the maps I made I include his account of a 2:30 am to 3 am sighting at the pond near the Aruba Racquet club. You have all seen those maps. It's part of the recognized time-line in Natalee's case. So I always include it.

In that account he has placed Joran in the FRONT DRIVER'S seat, Deepak in the front passenger's seat and an unknown in the back seat. Could be Freddy, could be Satish, could be Val. We have no clue who that was according to the declaration and we really don't even know if he saw Joran because he said that the person quickly covered his face with his hands. Now, where I live it's dark at 2:30 - 3 am. I still think it's dark on Aruba too. I have a hard time really getting my mind around this guy, his hawk-eyes and his story. And I always have.

This alone was always suspect to me. Why would Joran ever be in the driver's seat of Deepak's car if Deepak was able to be seated in the passenger's seat? I think you know what I'm implying here. Deepak was not in the back seat doing what ever these raping murdering thugs do.

Remove the gardener - just don't pay any attention to him or his story and follow this ->

Leave the crime dump at 1:08 am stop at another bar - possibly Choose A Name... and arrive at the Sloot dump at 1:40 am. So far so good. Everything fits.

Raping and murdering begins in car ride to Sloot dump as Natalee is going in and out of consciousness and concludes in the apartment where Joran rapes girls between the ages of 12 and 18.

Something bad happens between 1:45 am and 2:05 am (roughly) and Satish is gone in the blink of an eye and back home on the computer at 2:20 am (roughly) Drive from Sloot dump to Big People Lie homestead at nite - 12 minutes max.

Deepak's I got out at Arashi to take a pee declaration makes sense now. Deepak is outta the car and worried someone saw him. So - SOMEONE SAW HIM. And he knows it. That person has either not come forward or is the jogger.

Deepak freaks when confronted with the story of the gardener while in jail and allegedly flips over the dominos game board. But, why would he freak? That seem easy enough - PIN JOB. Seems someone was placing two of the three raping murdering maniacs somewhere they weren't. And Deepak knew it.

Eliminating the gardener's declaration makes everything fit nice and smooth.

Now what has happened in the last year? Well, for one thing there was a trap found 2.1 -2.2 miles off the shore of Arashi. Deepak himself places himself RIGHT there.

I suspect either of the Sloot vehicles were used in this instance to take Natalee to the beach or Satish took either the Suzuki or the Kia to get home. The Sloot cars were impounded, so there may have been a real cause there. Three people and one car and two appear to go in one direction and the other in yet another direction. It's also very possible that this is when the blood turned to chocolate and cleaning fluid. I suspect that it was Deepak's car that was used to take Natalee to the beach. After-all, they cleaned the bejeezers outta that thing at 3:30 am that morning.

Let's wrap this up 

1:08 am leave the crime dump and go to another bar - possibly Choose A Name. Head to Sloot house of rape and murder and arrive at 1:40 am.

5 minutes to get everyone from the car to the apartment - something bad happens between 1:45 am and 2:05 am. Leave Sloot house of rape and murder and head to the beach to drop Natalee somewhere and arrive at Arashi at 2:20 am. Just get her outta the house. And don't think for one second I've forgotten about that diabolical alcoholic Paulus. It was most likely at his instruction (or worse yet - his hands) that Natalee made her way to Arashi.

Here's where the gardener makes his appearance and if you know his complete story - you know he has told three accounts of why he was in the area at that time of night. First, his air conditioner didn't work or he had none. Second, he wanted to start the day early (huh? wtf? on Aruba? that guy would either be arrested for hard-work or given a certificate and deported, no one starts the day early on Aruba. NOT EVER EVER EVER!) Third, he was having an affair and told the other stories to have an alibi with his wife. Well, if he needed an alibi that badly maybe he would have just been better off keeping his mouth shut altogether and not risking that relationship - just sayin'.

Now use Jan Van Der Straaten chicken scratch cell phone triangulation. And the whole thing fits like a glove. In the area of Arashi the cell phones could probably been picked-up by the super large tower behind Amazonia and McDonald's. That's one huge tower and not like the smaller towers at the Tierra Del Sol. It is that large tower that Van Der Straaten using as his ping point.

In this scenario Joran is actually able to drive Deepak home or Deepak is able to drop Joran off and make it home himself. Joran is at home with plenty of time to begin his 3:26 am his alibi.

With the elimination of the gardener it all fits very nicely and easily especially when you consider that Joran was taped on the Patrick tapes saying that a friend - Daury - took her out to sea.

With the Mansur witness the whole case is off kilter. Without him, it all fits.

Anyway - It was on my mind and I thought I would post it. Have at it now. Show me where I'm wrong. LOL

Everyone have a great day and it's good to see Ms. Marple again 






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« Reply #323 on: April 25, 2009, 01:58:33 PM »

Does this count as drinking coffee?

 

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Where do i get one of those Coffe pots.... ...I'm off for the day....Nice post Rob...It will be interesting to see what ultimately happens with Jossy's brother Luis..IIRC he's being represented by Carlo & Vand Der Sloot..Correct me if i'm wrong..I think the Mansur's understand having Paulus on there good side is beneficial for the WHOLE family..
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« Reply #324 on: April 25, 2009, 02:01:40 PM »

Rob,

I have sent you a few emails that you haven't received.  Check your Spam folder as I find all kinds of things in mine.

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« Reply #325 on: April 25, 2009, 02:12:54 PM »

Rob,

I have sent you a few emails that you haven't received.  Check your Spam folder as I find all kinds of things in mine.



Hi Anna, I know you sent them.. they just didn't arrive. I have no idea what happened and I have been looking and did check the spam folder - they're just not here. <<shrugs shoulders>> 

make sure your header is - Cialis works better than the little blue pill and I'm sure they'll get through 
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« Reply #326 on: April 25, 2009, 02:16:12 PM »

Just to add to my above post.

Anita is outta town. This is easy now. Satish takes the Kia and goes home. Deepak and Joran ride to Hooiberg and Joran drives the Kia home.

This is not all that complicated. And if you have the skeletal remains - it's buh bye Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus. It point to more motivation on the part of the ALE to remove whatever was in that trap.

Maybe they didn't know it COULD BE Natalee when they emptied the trap. But why take any chances and have the cover up exposed.
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« Reply #327 on: April 25, 2009, 02:20:11 PM »

Does this count as drinking coffee?

 

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« Reply #328 on: April 25, 2009, 03:41:01 PM »

Been thinking about Rob's post.....when did the gardener 'witness' come forward?  (I just was looking and decided to ask, instead) 
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« Reply #329 on: April 25, 2009, 03:41:07 PM »



Makes sense to me, Rob. 

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« Reply #330 on: April 25, 2009, 03:44:25 PM »



Makes sense to me, Rob. 



I agree....less contrived and cumbersome.  Just wondered about what exactly was going on when this witness came forward.
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« Reply #331 on: April 25, 2009, 03:52:32 PM »

Been thinking about Rob's post.....when did the gardener 'witness' come forward?  (I just was looking and decided to ask, instead) 

Carlos Ramos gave statements July/Aug. 2005

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.0

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« Reply #332 on: April 25, 2009, 04:05:53 PM »

Well, we know the Kalpoes were still in jail because of Deepak throwing the dominoes.  He was really doing hard time there.  Almost as hard as Joran playing soccer in KIA>

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« Reply #333 on: April 25, 2009, 04:11:58 PM »

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« Reply #334 on: April 25, 2009, 04:16:46 PM »

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Thanks Klaas!   

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« Reply #335 on: April 25, 2009, 04:21:59 PM »

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I don't know who Stuart was but I didn't like their attitude.   
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« Reply #336 on: April 25, 2009, 04:23:00 PM »

Just to add to my above post.

Anita is outta town. This is easy now. Satish takes the Kia and goes home. Deepak and Joran ride to Hooiberg and Joran drives the Kia home.

This is not all that complicated. And if you have the skeletal remains - it's buh bye Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus. It point to more motivation on the part of the ALE to remove whatever was in that trap.

Maybe they didn't know it COULD BE Natalee when they emptied the trap. But why take any chances and have the cover up exposed.

Makes perfect sense when you remove the gardener.  I know Jossy supports the family (or at least he seemed to at the beginning) but I have not trusted him from the very beginning when his reporter was driving all over the island "chasing" a car that had a kidnapped Natalee in it.  This is Jossy's island and like it or not he would never want anything to come forward that will forever tarnish it.  The Mansur's are big on that island and carry a lot of influence.  JMO but Jossy always had "something" or "someone" to come forward to answer this mystery.  He has been extremely quiet since the pond witness and the Persistence was in the waters searching.  His son was on that ship everyday (according to Jossy via Hotshot).  He has been totally quiet since his brother was arrested.  Sorry, but I just don't put full trust in Jossy or anyone he has brought forward as witnesses. JMO
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« Reply #337 on: April 25, 2009, 04:30:15 PM »

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I don't know who Stuart was but I didn't like their attitude.   

Wasn't very polite to Lifesong, either.    Guess we gave 'em enough rope. 
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« Reply #338 on: April 25, 2009, 04:40:50 PM »

Well, no one has the right to change the spelling of another person's name. 

Remember when mine was ANA for only a day?  Now who continues to misspell it that way even now?  Not the same one who did it for a day, either.  You don't suppose this other person was telling that one what to post to me, do you?

 
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« Reply #339 on: April 25, 2009, 04:44:29 PM »

Well, no one has the right to change the spelling of another person's name. 

Remember when mine was ANA for only a day?  Now who continues to misspell it that way even now?  Not the same one who did it for a day, either.  You don't suppose this other person was telling that one what to post to me, do you?

 

   Who?
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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