Natalee Case Discussion #817 4/22/09 - 4/30/09

[jen3560]

I have not had a chance to read it.
It having come from someone that I know lies .....well I just figured she was lying to her buddies about what Kyle said.

Kerm - I think that in your posting of it here, it was just a misapplied keystroke with the blue color.  I did put all of my original words from my letter to Klaas back in the black color to clear that up.

Yes - either Lisa lied in her post, or Kyle lied to her.  I wouldn't imagine that Kyle would lie about things he knows can be proven otherwise?

Which then brings up another good question.

TWO former Freebirds are members there, as I understand it?  Yapperz and Hiker?

Why did they let these lies perpetuate on that forum?

They KNOW exactly how (and by whom!) Beth's information was given to Kyle for him to contact her.

Don't make me post copies of THOSE posts (and PM's I was sent)!!

They have copies of Kyle's posts (I watched them make those copies) so they KNOW, and can go back and refer to, all the other lies in this supposed response from him as well.

I guess I'm just thoroughly stunned and disgusted that they would let these things go uncontested at their newly found home.

They KNOW either Lisa was lying, or Kyle was.
 

[Kermit]

From Idstlous post of what Kyle told her: "This is completely incorrect. I had sent the FBI the dive screen shots the day each dive was made. Either John or Tim T. sent out the ROV videos at the first opportunity. This wasn't in my hands. I think the Freebirds contacted Birmingham FBI and drew a blank. I sent the screen shots to the senior agent in charge the day they were created, as instructed -Agent S. Bryant and D. Shipley (Barbados)."

Kyle said: "I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only."

From Idstlous post of what Kyle told her that he wanted to discuss what he knew.

Kyle posted to Freebirds:  It is emotionally exhausting holding information inside while waiting and hoping that something comes of your efforts and the efforts of your team.


Idstlou posted that Kyle sent information to the FBI

BUT
Kyle posted: "I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.

[Anna]

Lisa posted
 
Kyle sent this response to "The Freebirds" statement posted on SM to Jug and I.

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Why would Kyle suddenly start posting and sending stuff to Jug?  Shouldn't that be to BETH?

BTW, objective form would to "to Jug and me" so does that go to a person's credibility as to qualifications, etc. since this particular one is the one originally demanding personal resume on other posters?

[jen3560]

Lisa posted
 
Kyle sent this response to "The Freebirds" statement posted on SM to Jug and I.

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Why would Kyle suddenly start posting and sending stuff to Jug?  Shouldn't that be to BETH?

BTW, objective form would to "to Jug and me" so does that go to a person's credibility as to qualifications, etc. since this particular one is the one originally demanding personal resume on other posters?

GREAT point, Anna!!

[Kermit]

I have not had a chance to read it.
It having come from someone that I know lies .....well I just figured she was lying to her buddies about what Kyle said.

Kerm - I think that in your posting of it here, it was just a misapplied keystroke with the blue color.  I did put all of my original words from my letter to Klaas back in the black color to clear that up.

Yes - either Lisa lied in her post, or Kyle lied to her.  I wouldn't imagine that Kyle would lie about things he knows can be proven otherwise?

Which then brings up another good question.

TWO former Freebirds are members there, as I understand it?  Yapperz and Hiker?

Why did they let these lies perpetuate on that forum?

They KNOW exactly how (and by whom!) Beth's information was given to Kyle for him to contact her.

Don't make me post copies of THOSE posts (and PM's I was sent)!!

They have copies of Kyle's posts (I watched them make those copies) so they KNOW, and can go back and refer to, all the other lies in this supposed response from him as well.

I guess I'm just thoroughly stunned and disgusted that they would let these things go uncontested at their newly found home.

They KNOW either Lisa was lying, or Kyle was.
 

Those two freebirds are part of the give out personal information. Just so you know. I have screenshots of them doing it, just in case they think they are going to lie their way out of it!  What's that song - It's too late to apologize!

[Kermit]

Lisa posted
 
Kyle sent this response to "The Freebirds" statement posted on SM to Jug and I.

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Why would Kyle suddenly start posting and sending stuff to Jug?  Shouldn't that be to BETH?

BTW, objective form would to "to Jug and me" so does that go to a person's credibility as to qualifications, etc. since this particular one is the one originally demanding personal resume on other posters?

Hmmm, I hadn't even thought of that. Considering Kyle knew I had contacted Beth!
Yes I have the emails!

[jen3560]

supposedly said by Kyle to Lisa and Jug:


I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum.

Yet, Kyle posted this TWO DAYS after he joined our forum:

March 20, 2008

Since I got the go ahead from Tim, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides.

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.
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Someone really ought to own up to being the author of these lies ASAP.

I'm just sayin................

[Kermit]

Kyle`s own words were ripped off their context by her. That`s my answer to you and to Janet.

sincerely, Bastian.

[Tamikosmom]

The Excelcior Casino and Carlos 'n' Charlies allowed the chain of events to unfold ... the chain of events which lead to Natalee Holloway's demise.  These establishments provided an underage Joran van der Sloot with VIP passes/line of credit to enter the premises as well as served him alcohol.  I cannot comprehend why Natalee Holloway's parents have not yet filed a multi-million dollar lawsuit again Carlos 'n' Charlies.
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EXCESIOR CASINO

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Septermber 20, 2005

COSBY:  Beth, I know you‘ve actually been to the casino, right?  And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Well, there was a phone call made.  And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

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LOVING NATALEE - Beth Holloway

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

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CARLOS 'N CHARLIES

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

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Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, CHIEF SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: ... And then I asked her, What do you want to drink? And she's, like, Whatever. So she said, yes (INAUDIBLE) What do you suggest. And I said, Baccardi 151. That's a shot I normally take with my friends.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html

[jen3560]

I have not had a chance to read it.
It having come from someone that I know lies .....well I just figured she was lying to her buddies about what Kyle said.

Kerm - I think that in your posting of it here, it was just a misapplied keystroke with the blue color.  I did put all of my original words from my letter to Klaas back in the black color to clear that up.

Yes - either Lisa lied in her post, or Kyle lied to her.  I wouldn't imagine that Kyle would lie about things he knows can be proven otherwise?

Which then brings up another good question.

TWO former Freebirds are members there, as I understand it?  Yapperz and Hiker?

Why did they let these lies perpetuate on that forum?

They KNOW exactly how (and by whom!) Beth's information was given to Kyle for him to contact her.

Don't make me post copies of THOSE posts (and PM's I was sent)!!

They have copies of Kyle's posts (I watched them make those copies) so they KNOW, and can go back and refer to, all the other lies in this supposed response from him as well.

I guess I'm just thoroughly stunned and disgusted that they would let these things go uncontested at their newly found home.

They KNOW either Lisa was lying, or Kyle was.
 

Those two freebirds are part of the give out personal information. Just so you know. I have screenshots of them doing it, just in case they think they are going to lie their way out of it!  What's that song - It's too late to apologize!

   Please tell me you are kidding!

[2NJSons_Mom]

supposedly said by Kyle to Lisa and Jug:


I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum.

Yet, Kyle posted this TWO DAYS after he joined our forum:

March 20, 2008

Since I got the go ahead from Tim, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides.

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.
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Someone really ought to own up to being the author of these lies ASAP.

I'm just sayin................

[Kermit]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS (posted by Janet)

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #679 on: November 20, 2008, 10:10:15 PM »

I haven't seen Kermit post anything untrue presented as factual.  He's expressed his opinion, been taken out of context and misunderstood a few times, but he's pretty spot on as far as facts are concerned.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551217;topicseen#msg5
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.120

[Kermit]

Those two freebirds are part of the give out personal information. Just so you know. I have screenshots of them doing it, just in case they think they are going to lie their way out of it!  What's that song - It's too late to apologize!

   Please tell me you are kidding!
[/quote]

I am not kidding in the slightest. They posted at CnG and I have the screenshots to prove it!

Now, as I am reading this, I see that they never told anyone at GM that Idstlou was lying about Kyle or Kyle to Idstlou.

[Kermit]

private eye
Scared Monkey
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 01:08:07 PM » 

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I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.


Private eye made this post 17 days before Kyle started sharing things with us

[Tamikosmom]

PART ONE

Kyle Kingman's own words posted on the Scared Monkeys' forum attests that the truth is not being related to the Stepfather of Natalee Holloway.  A command of the English language dictates that interpretation is not necessary.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ...

Kyle Kingman:  I said the FBI did a DNA analysis on the sample they received. They re-interpreted this as having found remains in the trap.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - SCARED MONKEYS

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #332 on: March 04, 2008, 12:21:17 AM »

If you quote me, please include the quote for accuracy.  I never said there were no human remains.  I woudn't comment to that effect.  I have neither confirmed nor denied the issue.  The only comment I said was quoting Tim Trahan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »

As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI:
The contents of the trap were being actively investigated.  The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample.  Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case.  The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366289;topicseen#msg366289

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366289;topicseen#msg366289

[Kermit]

oops sorry double post.

 



Removed double post. 

[Tamikosmom]

PART TWO
In his email to Jug Twitty ... Kyle Kingman attempts to backtrack on his own words submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds in regards to John Silvetti's betrayal.

Hey ... Silvetti's objective and focus should have been justice for Natalee Holloway ... closure for her family and ... accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily upheld the Persistence undertaking to bring Natalee Holloway home ... home to American soil.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - JUG TWITTY

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ...

In December of 2008 Kyle wrote to Jug and I that John had remained "objective and focused" during the cage search.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


KYLE KINGMAN - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

Kyle Kingman:  ... I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle Kingman:  I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images.

Kyle Kingman:  I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

[jen3560]

supposedly said by Kyle to Lisa and Jug:


I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum.

Yet, Kyle posted this TWO DAYS after he joined our forum:

March 20, 2008

Since I got the go ahead from Tim, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides.

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.
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Someone really ought to own up to being the author of these lies ASAP.

I'm just sayin................

No kidding!!!!

And to think - we Freebirds did EXACTLY what Kyle himself discussed in that post.  We created the document and we sent it to Beth.  She asked us to publish it at our blog last Fall.  I guess that means she felt it was time to

Kyle's words:

"to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. "

[Tamikosmom]

Following is the actually quote that should have formed part of the above post (PART TWO)

Janet

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ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  John wasn't refusing to give it any credence before inspection on Jan 7th, he was remaining objective and keeping focused. I said John wasn't convinced. He wasn't. He said he wouldn't be convinced unless he heard otherwise from the FBI.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191

[Kermit]

Kyle said: "On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."