Natalee Case Discussion #817 4/22/09 - 4/30/09

[oldiebutgoodie]

Regarding travel to Aruba, I found this from a State Dept. bulletin:  "SAFETY AND SECURITY: There are no known extremist groups, areas of instability or organized crime on Aruba, although drug trafficking rings do operate on the island.  For the latest security information, Americans traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs’ web site at http://travel.state.gov, where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, and Travel Alerts can be found."

What about the mafia guy who owns three resort hotels on Aruba, including the Excelsior and who is such good pals with Paulus that he allows Paulus' son Joran a line of casino credit when Joran is legally too young to even be in a casino?

Hello... why would a State Dept. bulletin disclaim the exist of the mafia on Aruba?

[texasmom]

O/T

KLASSEND:  Please check your hotmail.

TIA

[texasmom]

O/T

KLAASEND:  Please check your hotmail.

TIA

Corrected typo!

 

[Tamikosmom]

CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY

JAN VANDER STRAATEN

Page 107:  Police Chief Jan van der Straaten is rumoured to be Joran's Godfather.  At the very least, he is said to be very good friends with Paulus van der Sloot.   What an awkward position to be in when there is pressure coming at you from every direction to solve a crime your godson may have committed.  His contract expired after Natalee's disappearance.  There were rumors that he wanted to stay on the case, but he was not allowed, so he went back to Holland.  However, he was in the police station with Dennis Jacobs when I went there in September, 2005.   

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DENNIS JACOBS

Page 173:  It apears that many of the people involved with the investigation into Natalee's disappearance are either corrupt, incompetent, or are pursuing an agenda different from finding Natalee.  I have been putting the pieces of the puzzle together, and the picture never comes out right.

For example:

Dennis Jacobs, the lead investigator in the case, is also a narcotics detective. I am wondering why a narcotics cop is investigating a missing persons case.

Also, going back to the first day that I arrived in Aruba after Natalee's disappearance, when I found my way to the only police station on the island that had any knowledge that she was missing, the first question that Dennis Jacobs asked me was, "How much money do you have?" I found that to e a curious question to ask the father of a missing teenager.

Then, after I informed Jacobs that we were going to start searching for Natalee even if the police weren't, his response was, "Search, why do you want to do that?" When I came back at him with, "Isn't that what you normally do when someone is missing?" His answer was pretty arrogant.  He said, "No, this happens all the time. Just go down to Carlos'n Charlie's and have a beer. She'll shwo up sometime. She probably just got drunk or fell in love and ran off with someone for a few days."

Then he advised me that he had taken statements from Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on the previous day, and he considered them to be compatiable in that the boys all said they dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. Even after Beth told him that the tapes at the hotel proved the boys to be lying because they had shown that Natalee did not return there, Jacobs still insisted that Natalee would probably show up soon. The worst part of that was the fact that Jacobs was already aware that the tapes proved the boys to be lying when he told me that their stories were compatible. My brother and I insisted that Jacobs question the boys again, and it took him several days to do that.

[Tamikosmom]

PARTIAL ONLINE BOOK

THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway


http://books.google.ca/books?id=da-WTr98wBAC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=%22is+also+a+narcotics+detective%22+jacobs&source=bl&ots=0cVZP1Mexe&sig=spsXR0u9zawwCFZBivTp0vosnDk&hl=en&ei=soj3SfPNEJH0tAOu4ZHdDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPP1,M1

[Helen Back]

I thought Kermit was suggesting that DiSetti was joining us from a computer at the radio station in Aruba. 

Anyway, this Elvis Weert character is clearly part of the misinformation campaign, twisting the story to be centered on "just another missing person" instead of the orchestrated cover up and misinformation campaign launched by Aruban officials, within 24 hours, against a missing American citizen and her loved ones.  It continues today.

 

Whether he is part of the misinformation campaign or any other distraction we`ll notice soon enough.
I could make it look like I`m posting from  the country(City) of my choice, using proxy software and post using another name.
So Kermie, keep up the good work, you`re so smart
MO is: let`s give GiSelli a fair chance 

Well, Bastibro is not here.....I missed him.

But to be clear Bastibro, I did not suggest that DiSetti is part of misinformation campaign.  I was taking issue with the post by Elvis Weert that Kermit quoted.

I realize proxy software can be used to mask one's geographical location......all WAY over my head since I have no need for it.
I'm more interested in Anna's new bracelet!

With proxy software, can you mask your location to seem as if you are connected through an IP at a particular enterprise......like a radio station in Aruba?

Oh well, maybe I read too much into Kermit's comments.

 

[Helen Back]

Good evening monkeys,

It's kinda quiet in here, so whaddya say we get back to talking about the remains found in the trap off Aruba's coast that the Persistence forfeited to the Arubans even thought their mission was to locate and recover for Beth and Dave anything related to Natalee Holloway's disappearance?  And how what was sampled and sent to the FBI by the Arubans was not what was in the still shots from the ROV footage?  And how the Persistence left after diving on one of the first targets in the midst of soliciting donations to continue their efforts?

 

[BUCKSHOT]

Concerning the whole Jaap interview...

Let's just suppose someone paid a gambling debt for Joran, then expected an interview/polygraph...
Joran would tell them to kiss his ass. His conscience would never allow him to owe anybody anything?
To me, that is just a laughable scenario.

A liar always needs to feel that they are believed, even if it takes many, many times.
Joran does not realize that he will never be believed, no matter how many times he "sets the record straight."

Contrary to what a certain previous SM poster believes, there are not 3 sides to a story (mine, yours, and truth).
There is only one story, one truth. We (SM) have it very well nailed down. So unless Joran says:

*NH was drugged
*NH was sexually and physically assaulted
*NH died in their presence
*PVDS masterminded the cover-up.
*VanDerStraaten helped mastermind and execute the cover-up.
*NH was disposed of.

...It will just be another worthless interview. Use the script to wipe your ass.

I sure hope that I am wrong in my assessment...

[BUCKSHOT]

Morning all

Sorry a huge part in dutch... 

But well, Jaap isn't a normal person.. he has something but I don't know what. He have or had a girlfriend at the time he
did the Golden Gage (GoudenKooi). But he never can be trusted. As far I followed that show...

well it is now 13.38pm here...

I'm just waking up on my first cup of coffee.  Did Cageman and Bastibro clear things up?  Is it clear to them that you are not Capslockwizard?

Klaas

All these Dutch posters have a grasp of the English language ... I checked each profile.

Out of courtesy for the rest of us as well as being afforded the opportunity to respond ... the preceding dialogue should not have been in Dutch.

Considering ... my research convinces otherwise ... I would have appreciated being privy to DiSetti words ... words meant to convince a selected few that DiSetti was not one CAPSLOCKWIZARD posters.

IMO

Janet

Janet - I actually need Cageman and Bastibro to tell us why (in English) they don't believe DiSetti is Capslock because I know DiSetti's word isn't enough.

I did run what they said through the google translator to grasp the gist of what they were saying to eachother.  DiSetti was explaining to Cagement how he slightly knew his daughter and why he was interrested in the NH case.  Stuff like that. 

Many of our producal Monkeys who possessed an indepth knowledge of the Natalee Holloway case since the getgo were deceived by CapsLockWizard ...

It is imperative that this forum has an opportunity to respond to Disetti or Bastibro's words to Cageman. 

IMO

Janet

Janet,

Bastibro and I had two different goals in asking DiSetti for a response.
Bastibro wanted te be sure DiSetti wasn't Caps. He asked DiSetti to post in Dutch for this reason.
I rather wanted to know how he knew my family. When DiSetti was posting in Dutch, also answering my questions in Dutch, I automatically responded also in the same language. DiSetti told me he did know Marlies only vaguely and excused himself for bringing back recollections of that period. I answered him that it was ok and that he didn't need to bother.
I also asked him how he became interested in the NH-case. He answered he got involved by his dislike of conspiracies. He also thinks PVV (the party of Hero Brinkman) got involved by some way. He saw similarities between the case of Natalee and that of Marlies. I told him there were no resemblances between the two cases.

That was what was said in Dutch. I am sorry I used our own language. It just happened, without a special purpose. Because it is my native tongue the transition was automatically.
I will better my life though!!

No offense...But this little display means absolutely nothing...

People will very soon know where his motives lie - Be assured of that.

At this point in the process, it is imperative that people are not led astray by an "under-the-radar" disinformant...
To that, I wholeheartedly agree with Janet and KTF.

[Helen Back]

Concerning the whole Jaap interview...

Let's just suppose someone paid a gambling debt for Joran, then expected an interview/polygraph...
Joran would tell them to kiss his ass. His conscience would never allow him to owe anybody anything?
To me, that is just a laughable scenario.

A liar always needs to feel that they are believed, even if it takes many, many times.
Joran does not realize that he will never be believed, no matter how many times he "sets the record straight."

Contrary to what a certain previous SM poster believes, there are not 3 sides to a story (mine, yours, and truth).
There is only one story, one truth. We (SM) have it very well nailed down. So unless Joran says:

*NH was drugged
*NH was sexually and physically assaulted
*NH died in their presence
*PVDS masterminded the cover-up.
*VanDerStraaten helped mastermind and execute the cover-up.
*NH was disposed of.

...It will just be another worthless interview. Use the script to wipe your ass.

I sure hope that I am wrong in my assessment...

I hope we're both wrong, Buckshot.

Joran's conscience has bothered him much yet, has it? 

You think his conscience is still bothering him about the old guy he stiffed for money?

Or you think his conscience is still bothering him about the Thai girls that he wanted to sell into slavery in the Netherlands?

You think his conscience is still bothering him that he said he disposed of Natalee Holloway in the ocean, even though he could not be sure that she wasn't alive at the time.?

Not much, IMO.   

[Helen Back]

Hey Janet, if you want another similarity in posts between DiSetti and CLW, I briefly mentioned a few pages back the use of the word "withness" for "witness".

Just noticed it, but I don't have your powers of documentation. 

Many similarities, IMO.

Helen Back

[BUCKSHOT]

At this stage in the game, disinformants will definitely be sniffed out.  

They probably like to come in pairs and trios, if possible.
That way it affords them an alliance when spewing BULLSHIT.

Their games have been played too many times in the past to go undetected.

"AU REVOIR." I just talked French and CLW definitely doesn't know French. Therefore, I can not be CLW.
Super-duper weak argument. Laughable. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. 

But, to give the benefit of the doubt, time will very soon tell.

[caesu]

DiSetti,

Ik vermoedde al dat je haar kende via, via en niet heel erg persoonlijk. Je zou haar dan immers niet Annelies hebben genoemd. En onze naam als Van der Kouwe hebben gespeld en niet Kouwe. Maar het maakt verder niet uit.

Hoe kom jij zo geïnteresseerd in de zaak van Natalee Holloway?
Bij mij snap je het waarschijnlijk wel...

Bij jou snap ik het helemaal.
Ik heb altijd het gevoel dat dat amre meisje er niet meer is, en dat het geheim (kan) ligt bij Paulus, rechter croes, de hogere kring eigenlijk. Ik hou niet van een samenswering. En al helemaal niet in deze vorm. Ook probeer ik al een hele tijd veel dingen los te halen bij de PVV. Want er zit daar ook een link dat te maken heeftmet deze zaak.
Ik volg deze zaak al helemaal vanaf het begin.

En toen ik het nieuws zag van Marlies werd ik er best pissig van ( als ik het zo mag zeggen) Ryan weet, denk ik,  ook wel wat van, altijd wel gedacht dat ryan pieters (zo heet ie geloof ik) een connectie heeft richting Joran. Het is allemaal te toevallig.

Als ik enige dingen heb losgemaakt bij je , nu ik hier zomaar opduik, was dat nooit mijn bedoeling geweest.

Ik hoop dat dit wat opheldert voor jou, bastibro en anderen.

1. what link with the PVV? or do you only mean Brinkman demanding tough action against Aruba.

2. please explain the connection Ryan Pieters - Joran

[Tamikosmom]

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - THE PREVIEW

From the getgo ... in their quest to further an Aruban agenda to distance Paulus and Joran from implication in the Natalee Holloway case ... the trolls have dispicably undermind/discredited an anguished mother's every word ... every action and ... every motivation.

Is the former Vice President of the United States aware that he played a staring role in the following Julia Renfro/ Angela Dilorenzo/ Rene Gielen documentary special ... a documentary full of accusations and insinuations against a missing 18 year old American ... against her mother ... against her stepfather and ... against the American Administration while only sparing her father?

Also ... was Anita van der Sloot a participant in happening involving this documentary and ... did Rudy Croes jump on the Julia Renfro/ Angela Dilorenzo/ Rene Gielen bandwagon?

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THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - THE PREVIEW

JULY 3, 2007
The other side of the Holloway-case
Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
By Michael Willemse

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway. Especially when it came to investigating her direct relatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – who apparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching as far as the White House- but also when it came to investigating the more than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied them in their trip to Aruba .

“You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former police commissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation by a high ranking FBI staff member.

“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”

VIDEO TAPE

So says Dompig on video, who after a lot of insisting was convinced to do so without his person appearing on screen. His voice is recognizable and he mentions his own name on several occasions.

The Amigoe was the first to see the material, which the makers expect will portray a different angle of the case to the world – especially with the American people- a case which in the last two years has been covered by tv-giants like CNN and Fox News, and broadcasted daily in the living rooms and offices in the United States and the rest of the world.

Dompig, who up until May 2006 – when he resigned – led the investigation on Aruba, and three others, who from the start each had their own function after the then 18-year-old girl from the prestigious Mountain Brook at Birmingham , Alabama , did not return to her hotel room on the 30th of May 2005 , are now speaking up. They each feel the importance of sharing this side of the story. Perhaps even the story; the truth. A story where three boys – Joran van der Sloot (at that time aged 17), Deepak Kalpoe (21) and his 18 year old brother Satish (formally still suspects), hardly play a role in anymore.

That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man Dolph van Stapele, who from the start had his suspicions about the case and consequently flew to neighbouring eiland Aruba on several occasions, in search of the truth. Until they managed to make certain persons talk, who’ve been able to shed a different light on what could possibly be the most talked about disappearance ever.

MEDPLANE

They revealed that already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony –was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.

SECRET EXIT

The ambulance plane needed to be used as a secret exit for Natalee to the US . Secret, for the local authorities weren’t allowed to get wind of this – if they succeeded in ‘liberating’ the girl from a drug warehouse in Oranjestad and secretly leave the island.

Angela Dilorenzo, an American living on Aruba and close the Natalee’s family in those first days, talks about the special task she was given by Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother: “Please do me a favor, after you find Natalee, please cover her up and bring her to the medjet. We’ll take good care of you and they are already awaiting her at the airport.” Angela, who’s married to a restaurant owner on the island, has her voice recorded on the video, but does not appear on screen.

Does Beth then know that her daughter is still (alive) on the island, after she declared to the whole world that the three local boys have done all sorts of things to Natalee and possibly even killed her? Or was the latter merely a ploy to cover up what really happened? Why on the second day of the disappearance is Beth already hanging posters all over Aruba which state that her daughter has been ‘kidnapped’? After which on the same day of the disappearance – also peculiar – when the co-students had only arrived back in Alabama just a few hours, she steps out of a private jet in Aruba with pre-printed flyers under her arm containing a local mobile number, and immediately starts handing them out to the airport personnel? Does Beth know something the rest at that time didn’t know and still don’t know? Angela: “I’m almost convinced that Beth knew where Natalee was from the start.”

She and another American on the island, Julia Renfro, who has also been living on Aruba for years and works as the editor in chief for the English daily paper Aruba Today, have been involved in the case from day one. Natalee’s mother asks Renfro on the 31st of May to help her find her daughter. During the course of several weeks Renfro becomes one of Beth’s confidants and together with Angela one of Natalee’s ‘angels’. Two years after the disappearance of Natalee, Renfro now also tells her story about the side the world doesn’t know.

TELEPHONE CALL

The material shows that Renfro and Angela talk about a phone call which they received from an unknown woman on the 2nd of June 2005 . She knows where Natalee is at the moment, that she’s still alive, but doesn’t want to go back to her mother Beth. For the measly sum of 4000 dollars the caller will say where. But to the complete surprise of Renfro and Angela, Beth did not want to really go in on that and afterwards, after insisting, she was willing to pay no more than 1000 dollars for the release of her own daughter. While the day after they were planning to announce a reward of 10.000 dollars – a sum which will eventually increase to more than one hundred fold.

When Angela declares that she will pay the demanded tip sum out of the cashier of her own restaurant and look for Holloway herself, Beth drops to her knees and says the following. Namely that the girl should be in disguise so that no one will recognize her and brought to the awaiting ambulance plane. “So that she could leave immediately and not have to be questioned by the authorities, the police and certainly not admitted to the Aruban hospital system”, Renfro adds.

But before Angela and Renfro arrive at the drug warehouse, Beth’s careless and especially loud – ‘I’ll burn this place and island down’ – former husband Jug Twitty (in the meantime Beth has now also divorced Jug) had already been there; except for a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity, he achieved nothing. But more importantly, according to both women Jug is responsible for the failure of the ‘rescue operation’ and that Natalee- of which really nothing more has been learned, not even indirectly – still remains and will remain untraceable.

ALBERTO G.

Once again the unauthorized medplane departs to the US, after the crew members have been too clamorous and light about their unknown mission at the bar of the hotel where Natalee had stayed and where now also her relatives and traveling companions sleep for free – the Holiday Inn – they were subsequently fired upon their return. So manager/employee Alberto G. – another person which the tv-producers portrayed (incognito) – of the private airport heard shortly afterwards from one of the crew members of another medplane. Alberto is coincidentally, as he is one of the first who they come into contact with, also the one who guided Beth and Jug around the island. Alberto asks one of the travel companions how they actually plan to get the kidnapped daughter on board the private plane- “If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” The plane which was sent to fetch Natalee, was instructed by the owner of the company leasing private jets, G.Ruffner Page Jr. Page also arranged the private jet which brought Natalee’s mother and her companions to Aruba shortly after the disappearance.

JORAN

If the person who made the phone call with the tip, really knows where Natalee is at the moment, then it would naturally give a different turn to the up until now known facts and this would vindicate Joran van der Sloot, at least of the ‘burden’ which he carries of being the last one who saw her. But this and other peculiarities in any case shed new light into the matter. Not in the least the lies about the three boys, Aruba and the police and justice system on the island , which Beth according to journalist Renfro kept on spreading to all the large American tv-networks who massively tore them apart. So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements. Another good example is the manipulation of a tape on which Deepak Kalpoe was asked if Holloway had sex with all three to which he replied ‘ No, she didn’t’, while the America popular tv-show Dr.Phil shamelessly turned this into ‘She did’, as was scientifically revealed by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

For months Aruba is world news, but the hospitable population suffers from the constant stream of insults about incompetencies and corruption of the law. It even goes further when the family Twitty calls upon all American tourists to boycott the island, an action which got the open support of governor Bob Riley of Alabama .

Renfro concludes: “The family did not want the truth to be told.”

In the meantime donations are streaming in for the family, out of sympathy for the victims. According to Renfro the donations amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The biological father of Natalee – Dave Holloway- doesn’t receive one cent, according to Renfro, but he’s the one who’s searching high and low for his daughter without having dozens of paid cameras on his back.

ENORMOUS PRESSURE

Speaking of the accusations of incompetency. Never before has the Aruban police corps worked under so much international interest. Never before has the pressure been so big. Never before has the interest been so wide. But also, never before has the job of the police and the judiciary been made so difficult (not to mention, impossible). Ex-commissioner Dompig explains that in every country in the world, also and especially in the US , in cases of disappearance the investigators first look at the direct environment of the missing person: the relatives. “Out of respect we did not do that in the first instance.” Dompig continues: “For this wasn’t a normal missing- persons case on Aruba . No, it concerned a high profile missing case which America talked to the Netherlands about on a top level.” So we got a phone call from the Dutch Minister of Justice (Piet Hein Donner, CDA) with the order to: “Take everything out of the shelf”. The Netherlands even sent F16’s with very expensive equipment to make photos of every square meter of Aruba . “We understood more and more that it wasn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about the relationship Kingdom of the Netherlands and the US . This reached as far as the inner circle of the White House in Washington. Reaching Vice-President Dick Cheney. He’s the clue.”

STEPFATHER

Renfro also mentions in front of the camera that the highest American institutions and members of government were involved in the case: “The day after she disappeared the chief protocol got a telephone call from Mrs. Condoleeza Rice, asking him to ask our Prime Minister to put this case at the highest priority.”

But except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck, the local authorities got frustrated in their work, especially when wanting to know more about stepfather Jug, the extremely wealthy president of Phoenix Metals which also does business with Latin-America. In an investigative case in which money possibly plays an important role, it’s important to also look at the financial picture, explains Dompig with his voice on tape. However it soon becomes apparent that he can forget that thought. “You do your own dirty work”, is what Dompig is told upon telling the FBI-attaché his intention of investigating the stepfather. Dompig: “If that’s dirty work, then it raises a few questions.” But that’s not all. According to the police officer, there is talk of a direct ‘threat’ by the consul-general of the US in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba . Bob Sorenson is stationed in Willemstad , Curaçao and has naturally taken an interest in the case.

It comes down to that up until now this side of the story, at least as long as Dompig has been at the corps, has never been investigated. As is the case with the co-students and their chaperones, who on the planned day simply returned back home. Only after a lot of insistence did the Aruban authorities get the opportunity to ‘interrogate’ a couple of people. This had to be done in writing on half an A4, whereby the Aruban police was thus not permitted to directly interrogate them and whereby they thus had ample time to think of meaningless answers.

The makers of the images believe their recordings can show that what actually happened, is very different than what up until now has been shown, especially by the American media. In any case they want to open a window about the work ethics of the American federal police, who in no single way have shown their full hearted cooperation to investigate all possible scenarios and to really try and solve the mystery. In contrary, they believe that a lot points to a conspiracy. That it isn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about a lot, a lot of money. That she has become the victim of a case which through circumstances took a different turn than was planned.

NOT ON FBI LIST

The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

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Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008 
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is.  And those facts have to be investigated.  Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us.  I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

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Amigoe - January 17, 2008

ORANJESTAD — ... (Rudy) Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

[finngirl]

I just saw something in HLN. A teenager is missing on spring break in Myrtle Beach. I didn't see all the details. Anyone else catch that?

Ohh.. wait. Her name is Brittney Drexel.

New York Girl

Mother distraught -

Last seen with Peter Brosley??

Some tips from Ocean Front bar and Grill - saw her Sunday afternoon having lunch.

Brosley checked out soon after.

I heard about that
and I'm very interested in how it develops

the circumstances are very similar to NH

and, as we were told so often,
nothing would come of a case like Natalee's
if a similar disappearance happened in the US

so ... we shall see


MYRTLE BEACH - The mother of a missing New York state high school student has hit the streets with friends and family to find out any information that could lead to the safe return of her daughter.

Brittanee Marie Drexel, 17, of Rochester, NY was last seen around 8 p.m. Saturday.

Drexler’s mother, Dawn Drexler, along with other family members and friends spent several hours Tuesday handing out and posting flyers of the missing teen along Ocean Boulevard.

Police are also looking for surveillance video to try to piece together where she went Saturday night.

“She sent a text message to one of her friends around 9:15 p.m. and said she was going to see another friend who was staying at another hotel. She never came back,“ Drexel said. “It’s been almost 48 hours, and I’m really worried. We need everyone to be looking out for her.“

Authorities handed out printed flyers of Brittanee’s picture to the beach’s watch patrol. Crews there said they are pretty heavily staffed at this time of the year, which makes it easy to do a search of any missing persons.
http://tinyurl.com/d7d85d


Webster, NY/Myrtle Beach - A young man from Webster has been questioned in the disappearance of a Chili teen in Myrtle Beach.

Police say Peter Broswick is considered a person of interest in the case. Broswick has retained a local attorney and is not speaking. Broswick was the last known person to see Brittanee Drexel Saturday night.
http://tinyurl.com/cyebg5


http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[klaasend]

I started a thread on Brittanee

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4976.0

[Keepthefaith]

At this stage in the game, disinformants will definitely be sniffed out.  

They probably like to come in pairs and trios, if possible.
That way it affords them an alliance when spewing BULLSHIT.
Their games have been played too many times in the past to go undetected.

"AU REVOIR." I just talked French and CLW definitely doesn't know French. Therefore, I can not be CLW.
Super-duper weak argument. Laughable. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. 

But, to give the benefit of the doubt, time will very soon tell.

1.Sniffed out....Yes they will

2.Pairs and Trios....Me thinks so

[Keepthefaith]

At this stage in the game, disinformants will definitely be sniffed out.  

They probably like to come in pairs and trios, if possible.
That way it affords them an alliance when spewing BULLSHIT.
Their games have been played too many times in the past to go undetected.

"AU REVOIR." I just talked French and CLW definitely doesn't know French. Therefore, I can not be CLW.
Super-duper weak argument. Laughable. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. 

But, to give the benefit of the doubt, time will very soon tell.

1.Sniffed out....Yes they will

2.Pairs and Trios....Me thinks so

3.Alliances....Me thinks so too

[texasmom]

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

 

[texasmom]

Truth and Justice for Natalee!