Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 - 5/17/09

[klaasend]

Two missing girls in Aruba:




autoridad is in buskeda of two child muher, one of 13 y the another of 15 anja they owing to huy for of cas.

if do you have one of they scondi are you castigable for ley saturday night two child muher of 13 y 15 anja respectivamente owing to huy for of cas in district of north y still they not owing to aparece. is deduci cu the children here owing to huy debi cu they owing to bay cu panja also. diadomingo morning parents owing to present at keep of police for haci the denuncia. informacionnan adicional is indica cu the children here will is form part of one gang, the children here is younger of edad y have to is bao supervision of his parents. if encaso police achieve they scondi in one or another caminda the personanan ey can bay close y is castigable for ley. if encaso do you know the paradero of one or they two as responsable for calling police at once at 100 or keep of police at shaba 107. come across

[Artcolley]

must be a fisherman...smells fishy.

if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, by golly - it is a duck.

YUP     

[Artcolley]

Two missing girls in Aruba:




autoridad is in buskeda of two child muher, one of 13 y the another of 15 anja they owing to huy for of cas.

if do you have one of they scondi are you castigable for ley saturday night two child muher of 13 y 15 anja respectivamente owing to huy for of cas in district of north y still they not owing to aparece. is deduci cu the children here owing to huy debi cu they owing to bay cu panja also. diadomingo morning parents owing to present at keep of police for haci the denuncia. informacionnan adicional is indica cu the children here will is form part of one gang, the children here is younger of edad y have to is bao supervision of his parents. if encaso police achieve they scondi in one or another caminda the personanan ey can bay close y is castigable for ley. if encaso do you know the paradero of one or they two as responsable for calling police at once at 100 or keep of police at shaba 107. come across

Young Girls do not stand a chance on that Rock, do they? And these are mere babies.

[Dolce]

Hi so sorry to bother you all again.  We have a BOYCOTT going on over in the Caylee thread.  Any and all help is greatly apreciated!!  TIA

[Anna]

Ok got it..

but then .. what does this means...??? My papiomento is real bad...
I can't understand this record file

http://coffeepotghost.com/30JAN2007_itc_00.wav

If your appliances are conversing with you, there are medications you can take for that.  I believe there is a place called Den Dolder that you might want to check into.  And don't worry.  You will not be alone. I think there is someone there named Johan with whom you would get along just great.  He likes SM archives, too.

[Anna]

It seems to me that all the info DiSetti is "bringing" to us is info that was already posted and delved into by Scared Monkeys.   Wonder if he is copying and pasting from our own archives?  

It does sound as though that might well be the case.  Or he has found certain things and rather than read any of the ten previous discussions on all these things, hopes someone will tell him what was the conclusion without having to bother to read.  This might be especially so if he is using a borrowed computer which I also find hard to believe.

DiSetti,  There is ample information and photos on Charles Croes in the archives here.  You might start with the Who's Who threads.  They contain a brief bio on ALL the players in this tragedy.

No use re-inventing the wheel.

[Anna]

Shades of WonderWoman/MadRaz?  Anyone remember her?

And just to save time, NO!  Natalee did NOT run away in Costa Rica and that was never verified by the FBI just in case anyone is wondering about that as well.  Some crackpot started that rumor on the Front Page comments here only and that is the source for that one.  That never happened either.

[Artcolley]

Ok got it..

but then .. what does this means...??? My papiomento is real bad...
I can't understand this record file

http://coffeepotghost.com/30JAN2007_itc_00.wav

If your appliances are conversing with you, there are medications you can take for that.  I believe there is a place called Den Dolder that you might want to check into.  And don't worry.  You will not be alone. I think there is someone there named Johan with whom you would get along just great.  He likes SM archives, too.

Good Morning, Anna.

That is too funny!
 

[Artcolley]

Shades of WonderWoman/MadRaz?  Anyone remember her?

And just to save time, NO!  Natalee did NOT run away in Costa Rica and that was never verified by the FBI just in case anyone is wondering about that as well.  Some crackpot started that rumor on the Front Page comments here only and that is the source for that one.  That never happened either.

Oh, shade of the past! Who could ever forget Wonder Woman?   

[Artcolley]

More than once I would have loved to be able to climb into the screen and throttle Wonder Woman and her little sidekick SandraK

[Anna]

I have always thought the young girls in Aruba very pretty and the young men just the opposite.  Maybe some genes are better adapted for one gender or the other but not both.

Interesting that this new bar and brothel opens up and they start disappearing?  Coincidence I suppose but some people don't believe in those.

Prayers that they are found alive and safe.  With there being two of them trafficking does come to my mind, however.

[Anna]

More than once I would have loved to be able to climb into the screen and throttle Wonder Woman and her little sidekick SandraK

At least SandraK had some entertainment value.  Lately we have been blessed with the less creative faction.

 

[Artcolley]

I have always thought the young girls in Aruba very pretty and the young men just the opposite.  Maybe some genes are better adapted for one gender or the other but not both.

Interesting that this new bar and brothel opens up and they start disappearing?  Coincidence I suppose but some people don't believe in those.

Prayers that they are found alive and safe.  With there being two of them trafficking does come to my mind, however.

It does seem odd and it woudn't surprise me at all.
Yes, the Aruban Men are quite homely.

[Artcolley]

More than once I would have loved to be able to climb into the screen and throttle Wonder Woman and her little sidekick SandraK

At least SandraK had some entertainment value.  Lately we have been blessed with the less creative faction.

 

This is true. She was so whacked out that we could all count on a good laugh once in awhile

[Anna]

Art,

Were you listening to Dana the night the woman with Indian accent, a very bad one I might add, called into Dana from I think it was Michigan where SandraK lives?

Now THAT's entertainment!  Do people in their right mind do such things?  I have to wonder.

 

In spite of the tragedy that brought us all together, there have been those moments of brief and fleeting hilarity.  Sort of like a clown funeral in some ways.  The greater tragedy but the flaws of character of some of the supporters have provided their moments.

 

[Anna]

Only here have I ever seen "barf doll" used as a term of endearment, too. 


 That was Scandi Nor I believe, the one who also called Klaas the Zoo Geeper.


And I am going to wear out that new devil monkey icon.   


Off to work I go. . . . . . .

[Artcolley]

Art,

Were you listening to Dana the night the woman with Indian accent, a very bad one I might add, called into Dana from I think it was Michigan where SandraK lives?

Now THAT's entertainment!  Do people in their right mind do such things?  I have to wonder.

 

In spite of the tragedy that brought us all together, there have been those moments of brief and fleeting hilarity.  Sort of like a clown funeral in some ways.  The greater tragedy but the flaws of character of some of the supporters have provided their moments.

 

I missed that one, Anna. At that time the computer I was using wouldn't pick up Dana. BUT I did hear all about it afterward, lol
What a hoot
Yes, there have been some very funny incidents and memories. Those of us that have hung in here have really ridden the rollercoaster of this tragedy and seen a lot of vermin crawl out from under their rocks too. Of course , we've "met" some really decent and caring folks as well.
Its been a long haul and it isn't over yet.

[Artcolley]

Only here have I ever seen "barf doll" used as a term of endearment, too. 


 That was Scandi Nor I believe, the one who also called Klaas the Zoo Geeper.


And I am going to wear out that new devil monkey icon.   


Off to work I go. . . . . . .

Now I was here the night Scandi Nor had her meltdown   
And that Barf Doll, how funny!

Yes , I need to get to work here as well. I have seedlings literally EVERYWHERE in my house. Its too cold to plant them and too warm in the house and they are sprouting like wildflowers. I am setting up little greenhouses everywhere til I can get the big one together. Of course its been pouring off and on the past two day which has slowed the construction a bit.

[Keepthefaith]

Not it!

[Tamikosmom]

FREDDY KNOWS!!

Freddy Armbatzis declares in his June 12, 2005 witness statement that Joran shared with him on May 31, 2005 that the last time he was with Natalee Holloway she "did not regain consciousness" ... she "did not regain consciousness" while in the presence of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

It should be noted that in none of Joran van der Sloot's statement did he declare what Freddy claims.  It should be noted that in none of Deepak and Satish's statements did they declare what Freddy claims.

Inquiring minds would like to know if Freddy Armbatzis could be depose to testify under oath in regards to the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoe brother against Phil McGraw.
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Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.

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Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401
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Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

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Van der Sloot, Joran; Zvezdana Vukojevic (2007) (in Dutch). De zaak Natalee Holloway: mijn eigen verhaal over haar verdwijning op Aruba. Amsterdam: Sijthoff. ISBN 9789021800141. OCLC 150235828.

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Freddy Arambatzis - Witness Statement - June 12, 2005
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I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and myself are both really into sports and that is how we became good friends.

(THE LIE?)

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (....)


(THE TRUTH?)

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish. On the evening of June the third, I met Joran at his house. (....) He told met that during this period, he could not remember if they had bought something to eat or did anything else.

Translation Credit: Rammstein