Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 - 5/17/09

[San]

So what happens when Deepak turns over the computer data/log where he's telling his friend John Charles Croes that he had sex with Natalee?   

He will say he was lying.

Unfortunately that won't work here in the USA.

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

SUSPICIONS - PREVIOUS SEXUAL ASSAULT

What happen to the Prosecutor's suspicions pertaining to Freddy, Deepak, Satish and Joran in regards to a previous sexual assault?
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Aruban Attorney - FOX News - September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html

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Aruban Attorney - At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested. The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

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Jossy Mansur - 'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.  What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

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Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing.  Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college.  At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought

[Magnolia]

Don't they already have John Charles Croes deposition that Deepak did say that?

I remember that deposition being taken in Miami last year.

[klaasend]

So what happens when Deepak turns over the computer data/log where he's telling his friend John Charles Croes that he had sex with Natalee?   

He will say he was lying.

Of course he will, he has already said he was lying.  The problem is there are other indications that they told others all 3 had sex with Natalee early on.  Now, maybe K2 were lying, I don't know.  Hard to defame someone when they have bragged about doing the same thing they are accusing Skeeters and Dr. Phil of defaming them about.

[wreck]

So what happens when Deepak turns over the computer data/log where he's telling his friend John Charles Croes that he had sex with Natalee?   

That's the "privilidged" info they are omitting! 

[klaasend]

Don't they already have John Charles Croes deposition that Deepak did say that?

I remember that deposition being taken in Miami last year.

Yes they do have it. We have that statement as well or Deepak's statment about it.

[Magnolia]

Don't they already have John Charles Croes deposition that Deepak did say that?

I remember that deposition being taken in Miami last year.

Yes they do have it. We have that statement as well or Deepak's statment about it.

Then there is Larry Garrison's deposition that Deepak told him that all three of them had
sex with her.  There is no way that Natalee would have willingly had sex with all three of
those dorks.

[Tamikosmom]

OBSTRUCTION OF A NON-EXISTING INVESTIGATION

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

[klaasend]

OBSTRUCTION OF A NON-EXISTING INVESTIGATION

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

Yes and AMDigital first reported on June 4, 2005 that all 3 said they had sex with her.

[klaasend]

June 4, 2005  AMDigital

"The three young men declared that they took Natalee to that area, HAD SEX WITH HER, then dropped her off at the Holiday Inn Resort"


AMDigital reporters didn't pull that info out of their A**. 

[Tamikosmom]

ACCORDING TO STEVE COHEN

Steve Cohen, the spokesperson for the investigation, the spokeperson who has fully knowledge of the case ... claimed that two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway.

Cohen did not retract his claim.  His backtrack only implied that his revelation was not part of the "official record".

Inquiring minds want to know if two of the suspects claimed to have sex with Natalee ... why is it not part of the official record?
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ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

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CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …

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ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

"There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my (Steve Cohen) intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record."

[klaasend]

Of course, they didn't want that on the OFFICIAL RECORD 

[Kermit]

[Kermit]

And Joran can testify that he made the statement that Deepak raped and murdered Natalee.

[San]

Good to see you.  Is that your new avatar.

[texasmom]

 

[San]

Good to see you.  Is that your new avatar.

Also did you hear a new poster said you people are vicious?  I had to explain that  we people believe a frog called Kermit

[texasmom]

Be careful Kermie!   

[klaasend]

O/T but one of my favorites:

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[2NJSons_Mom]

I'm here, catching up.  Had to watch a ball game, earlier.  Son is coach.....support is where it's at. 

Not going anywhere.  I'm here every day.