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« Reply #160 on: April 28, 2009, 04:44:23 PM »

I really apologize for the successive posts.  If you guys rather me wait until I get all my info together, let me know and I will.  I just dip in and out during the course of the workday so I post the info as I retrieve it.

Anyway, take a look at this link:

http://records.ancestry.com/Nancy%20Roland_records.ashx?pid=38663107

It's on ancestry.com, and suggests a relationship with Nancy Roland, George Washington Roland (George Lawless?), and a host of Lawlesses. 

actually it helps if you just keep posting whatever you find, as you find it
this way if I see something I recognize in there I know what it goes with and can post it, that gives us all help linking this together.  that's my opinion anyway.

I totally agree.  I read as I post and am hoping that an AHA! moment will come that will connect Gary D to this clan.  The more info we can post the more likely we will find the right bread crumb that will lead us to the Lawless bakery!
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« Reply #161 on: April 28, 2009, 04:49:26 PM »

somehow in the 2 posts above I posted in someone elses writing and so here is the info again


he's popping up in my data bases as :

Name: John M Lawless
Social Security #: ((edit - please do not post SS numbers ))Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1894
Birthplace: Nebraska
Death Date: 6 Feb 1965

Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Rowland

Yup this is the right one! So the million dollar question is where does he go for abt 25 years after he leaves the house and does he take his son with him?  There is a huge gap with absolutely nothing until he dies in LA.  When does he get to LA?  Why does he go to LA?   This can be so frustrating at times.....
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« Reply #162 on: April 28, 2009, 04:52:50 PM »

Is anyone a member of ancestry.com?  There seems to be a lot of info on the "right" John Mack Lawless. If no one is a member, I'm thinking of joining it.

John Mack Lawless
Smeltzer Family Tree
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CitationsBirth:  dd mm 1893 - city, York, Nebraska, USA
Death:  date - California, USA
Parents:  name surname, name surname

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No I am not.  I think you can get census and other stuff there as well. I would be careful about pulling info from trees that other people have posted.  If they did not do the correct research then the tree is wrong.  Something I have found out from experience for going genealogy for a lot of years.  If you can not find the census, birth, or death certs take the member submitted trees with a grain of salt.  JMO
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« Reply #163 on: April 28, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »

Is anyone a member of ancestry.com?  There seems to be a lot of info on the "right" John Mack Lawless. If no one is a member, I'm thinking of joining it.

John Mack Lawless
Smeltzer Family Tree
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CitationsBirth:  dd mm 1893 - city, York, Nebraska, USA
Death:  date - California, USA
Parents:  name surname, name surname

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No I am not.  I think you can get census and other stuff there as well. I would be careful about pulling info from trees that other people have posted.  If they did not do the correct research then the tree is wrong.  Something I have found out from experience for going genealogy for a lot of years.  If you can not find the census, birth, or death certs take the member submitted trees with a grain of salt.  JMO

I might join and check it out.  The links it says are available are apparently from death records and census records dating back to the early 1900's.  Might be hype, but it's probably worth a few bucks to check it out.  Unfortunately, my legal database isn't pulling anything more than what we already know, which is very odd.
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« Reply #164 on: April 28, 2009, 05:09:10 PM »

Is anyone a member of ancestry.com?  There seems to be a lot of info on the "right" John Mack Lawless. If no one is a member, I'm thinking of joining it.

John Mack Lawless
Smeltzer Family Tree
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CitationsBirth:  dd mm 1893 - city, York, Nebraska, USA
Death:  date - California, USA
Parents:  name surname, name surname

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« Reply #165 on: April 28, 2009, 05:11:05 PM »

hmmm

the first two children are born before they are married.  either dates are wrong, the 2 chidren were born before they got married(I doubt it) or these are someone elses children?  a sister who died?  or a sibling?  it happened a lot back then


James H Lawless
B 15 Mat 1865/66 Rockspring, Patrick VA
D Nov 1945 MO

married 14 May 1890
Tecumseh, Johnson , NE

Nancy Hanse Rowland
B 5 Jan 1865 Glasgow, Barron, KY
D 9 Dec 1945 Omark, Okanogan, WA


Children or James H Lawless and Nancy Hanse Rowland:

Agnes Lawless
B 1893 , WA
D 10 Aug 1976, WA

Mabel Pearl Lawless
B 1890 Tecumsehm Johnson, New Brunswick, Canada
D 6 Nov 1959 Okanogan, Brewster, WA
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« Reply #166 on: April 28, 2009, 05:12:40 PM »

I'm seeing things haha,

my previous post agnes is ok, but mabel is not, she is born before they are married if these dates are right
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« Reply #167 on: April 28, 2009, 05:15:17 PM »

hmmm

the first two children are born before they are married.  either dates are wrong, the 2 chidren were born before they got married(I doubt it) or these are someone elses children?  a sister who died?  or a sibling?  it happened a lot back then


James H Lawless
B 15 Mat 1865/66 Rockspring, Patrick VA
D Nov 1945 MO

married 14 May 1890
Tecumseh, Johnson , NE

Nancy Hanse Rowland
B 5 Jan 1865 Glasgow, Barron, KY
D 9 Dec 1945 Omark, Okanogan, WA


Children or James H Lawless and Nancy Hanse Rowland:

Agnes Lawless
B 1893 , WA
D 10 Aug 1976, WA

Mabel Pearl Lawless
B 1890 Tecumsehm Johnson, New Brunswick, Canada
D 6 Nov 1959 Okanogan, Brewster, WA

Looks like a shot gun wedding to me.  They were married in May and I could not find a date for Mabel's birth but I would bet she was born in November or Dec.
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« Reply #168 on: April 28, 2009, 05:22:52 PM »

Is anyone a member of ancestry.com?  There seems to be a lot of info on the "right" John Mack Lawless. If no one is a member, I'm thinking of joining it.

John Mack Lawless
Smeltzer Family Tree
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CitationsBirth:  dd mm 1893 - city, York, Nebraska, USA
Death:  date - California, USA
Parents:  name surname, name surname

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I'm in ancestry, anything I see I am posting

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« Reply #169 on: April 28, 2009, 05:23:41 PM »

Name: John M Lawlers
[John M Lawless] 
Home in 1920: Dyer, Douglas, Washington
Age: 25 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Nebraska
Relation to Head of House: Head 
Father's Birth Place: Nebraska 
Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky 
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own 
Able to read: Yes 
Able to Write: Yes 
Image: 592 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
John M Lawlers 25 

I am thinking this might be our lost john mack lawless/lawlers? not sure but guessing
 
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« Reply #170 on: April 28, 2009, 05:27:01 PM »

Is anyone a member of ancestry.com?  There seems to be a lot of info on the "right" John Mack Lawless. If no one is a member, I'm thinking of joining it.

John Mack Lawless
Smeltzer Family Tree
 Includes:
CitationsBirth:  dd mm 1893 - city, York, Nebraska, USA
Death:  date - California, USA
Parents:  name surname, name surname

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No I am not.  I think you can get census and other stuff there as well. I would be careful about pulling info from trees that other people have posted.  If they did not do the correct research then the tree is wrong.  Something I have found out from experience for going genealogy for a lot of years.  If you can not find the census, birth, or death certs take the member submitted trees with a grain of salt.  JMO

I might join and check it out.  The links it says are available are apparently from death records and census records dating back to the early 1900's.  Might be hype, but it's probably worth a few bucks to check it out.  Unfortunately, my legal database isn't pulling anything more than what we already know, which is very odd.


No Jess, it is not. I am getting the same problem. Something is up.
I am beginning to question if the fact that both Cliff and Connie having the same initials and if you note the variations on here...
catch my drift? I have been trying to match deeds with what you guys are coming up with and it is NOT matching up...
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« Reply #171 on: April 28, 2009, 05:28:27 PM »

Name: John M Lawlers
[John M Lawless] 
Home in 1920: Dyer, Douglas, Washington
Age: 25 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Nebraska
Relation to Head of House: Head 
Father's Birth Place: Nebraska 
Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky 
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own 
Able to read: Yes 
Able to Write: Yes 
Image: 592 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
John M Lawlers 25 

I am thinking this might be our lost john mack lawless/lawlers? not sure but guessing
 


Right age, right state, could very well be him. 
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« Reply #172 on: April 28, 2009, 05:30:12 PM »

Is anyone a member of ancestry.com?  There seems to be a lot of info on the "right" John Mack Lawless. If no one is a member, I'm thinking of joining it.

John Mack Lawless
Smeltzer Family Tree
 Includes:
CitationsBirth:  dd mm 1893 - city, York, Nebraska, USA
Death:  date - California, USA
Parents:  name surname, name surname

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No I am not.  I think you can get census and other stuff there as well. I would be careful about pulling info from trees that other people have posted.  If they did not do the correct research then the tree is wrong.  Something I have found out from experience for going genealogy for a lot of years.  If you can not find the census, birth, or death certs take the member submitted trees with a grain of salt.  JMO

I might join and check it out.  The links it says are available are apparently from death records and census records dating back to the early 1900's.  Might be hype, but it's probably worth a few bucks to check it out.  Unfortunately, my legal database isn't pulling anything more than what we already know, which is very odd.


No Jess, it is not. I am getting the same problem. Something is up.
I am beginning to question if the fact that both Cliff and Connie having the same initials and if you note the variations on here...
catch my drift? I have been trying to match deeds with what you guys are coming up with and it is NOT matching up...
B

My brains feel like they are about to ooze out of my ears, and my teeth hurt from clenching them!  I am taking a break.  Hope you guys have some luck while I am gone!
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« Reply #173 on: April 28, 2009, 05:44:00 PM »

I'm pulling all the docs out of ancestry that I find. 

like someone else said, you have to be careful of family trees, I am finding a lot of things people stuck in their trees that are not right.  I too have done genealogy for years; people will stick anything they find that is remotely like it.

I am beginning to think someone messed up john mack lawless really good.

they certainly have the birth states off.

what I am doing is information from the recorded documents.  census records, marriages, draft info/military, birth records, death records

census info can be off too.  if the census taker asked the neighbor for the info when someone is not home, they write down whatever the neighbor told them, half the time it is wrong.  but it usually gives you the right town and county etc and date of the census.  but the names and places of birth and the ages of the kids can be off.


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« Reply #174 on: April 28, 2009, 05:46:03 PM »

this guy is probably a child of someone, maybe john mack's son?

Name: John M Lawless
Birth Date: Nov 1958
Phone Number:Edit-No phone numbers please
Address: Pob 1614, Chelan, Washington 98816-0701 (1993)
[836 S Bridge St, Brewster, Washington 98812]
[318 E Trow, Chelan, Washington 98816]


Pob 1614, Chelan, Washington
CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, JOHN M (Age 50)



Pob 1614, Chelan, Washington
CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, LISA G (Age 38)


836 S Bridge St, Brewster, Washington
CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, JOHN M (Age 50)



836 S Bridge St, Brewster, Washington

CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, LISA G (Age 38)

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« Reply #175 on: April 28, 2009, 06:18:30 PM »


Name: John M Lawlers[John M Lawless]  Home in 1920: Dyer, Douglas, Washington
Age: 25 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Nebraska
Relation to Head of House: Head 
Father's Birth Place: Nebraska  right place for dad's birth
Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky  right place for mother's birth
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own 
Able to read: Yes 
Able to Write: Yes 
Image: 592 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
John M Lawlers 25  right age

I am thinking this might be our lost john mack lawless/lawlers? not sure but guessing
 

ok his father is also in douglas county when he registers for WWI
this has to be the john mack lawless son above

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: George Webster Lawless
County: Douglas 
State: Washington
 
Birthplace: Nebraska;United States of America 
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1892
Race: Caucasian (White) 
Roll: 1991537 
 
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« Reply #176 on: April 28, 2009, 06:25:04 PM »

I agree.  I bet the census taker wrote it down wrong rather than asking for spelling.

Can you also please pull info on
Ralph Devere Lawless
B 1 Jan 1902 New Brunswick Canada
D 23 May 1963 Okanogan , Brewster, WA

1910 lived in Malaga, Chelan, Washington
1920 lived in Bodie, Okanogan, Washington
1930 lived in Brewster Washington
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« Reply #177 on: April 28, 2009, 06:37:20 PM »

ooops in my above post right before this one I said john mack lawless was son of george, they are brothers,

I am convinced this is the right john mack lawless/lawyers. 

everything matches.

I guess we should look for john mack under the last name of lawlers as well as lawless
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« Reply #178 on: April 28, 2009, 07:13:25 PM »

I agree.  I bet the census taker wrote it down wrong rather than asking for spelling.

Can you also please pull info on
Ralph Devere Lawless
B 1 Jan 1902 New Brunswick Canada
D 23 May 1963 Okanogan , Brewster, WA

1910 lived in Malaga, Chelan, Washington
1920 lived in Bodie, Okanogan, Washington
1930 lived in Brewster Washington


Ralph D Lawless
Age in 1910: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Son 
Father's Name: James H W
Father's Birth Place: Indiana 
Mother's Name: Nancy H 
Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky 
Home in 1910: Malaga, Chelan, Washington
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Gender: Male 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
James H W Lawless 43 
Nancy H Lawless 45 
George W Lawless 17 
John M Lawless 16 
William B Lawless 12 
Ralph D Lawless 8 
Agnes A Lawless 6 
Bardette Lawless 1/12 
 


Name: Ralph D Lawless
Home in 1920: Bodie, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 18 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Son 
Father's Birth Place: Indiana 
Mother's Name: Nancy W
Mother's Birth Place: Illinois 
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes 
Able to Write: Yes 
Image: 171 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Nancy W Lawless 54 
George W Lawless 27 
William B Lawless 22 
Ralph D Lawless 18 
Agnes A Lawless 15 
Richard D Lawless 9 
Mabel P Heley 28 
Georgie P Heley 8 
 


Name: Ralph D Lawless
Home in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902 
Birthplace: Washington 
Relation to Head of House: Lodger 
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Ben Buob 35 
Ralph D Lawless 28 
John F Dougherty 48 
William M Ginn 55 
Marshall J C Andrews 50 
Minnie Andrews 49 
Theo L Pederson 24 




 
 
 
 
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« Reply #179 on: April 28, 2009, 07:17:52 PM »

Washington Death Index, 1940-1996
about William B Lawless
Name: William B Lawless
Date of Death: 15 Aug 1975
Place of Death: Okanogan 
Age: 77 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 
RESIDENCE: Okanogan 
Gender: Male 
 
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