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« Reply #1940 on: May 18, 2009, 07:22:01 PM »

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« Reply #1941 on: May 18, 2009, 07:33:03 PM »

okay I got to thinking again.  uh oh... 

anyway.. look at this...
George Webster lawless, father of CLL.  married Jessie grace dicus.
they have 2 boys. 
paul george lawless born 1927
CCL born 1931
Jessie is 21 yrs old when paul george is born
Jessie is 24 yrs old when CLL is born.

In 1955 george the father of CLL marries Esther Luretta Unknown
this is 24 years after CLL is born, when Jessie the mother is 24yrs old.

Don't you think jessie must have more children after she is 24 years old?
And when is she no longer with george webster Lawless the father of CLL?

are there other lawless children by Jessie that we are missing?  and did she remarry, did she die, what?
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« Reply #1942 on: May 18, 2009, 08:25:22 PM »

goodness DD, I don't know.  They give multiply and fill the earth new meaning.  And speaking of earth, I just wonder if any of the "folks" are in Europe?
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« Reply #1943 on: May 18, 2009, 08:41:20 PM »

goodness DD, I don't know.  They give multiply and fill the earth new meaning.  And speaking of earth, I just wonder if any of the "folks" are in Europe?

I don't know but I can't imagine someone 24, 25 years old back then not having any other children for 25 years.  and that goes for george webster lawless as well, is he not fathering any other children until he is married in 1955, 25 years later?  I really doubt that.  there has to be more children.
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« Reply #1944 on: May 18, 2009, 08:45:33 PM »

somewhere on this thread is a news article, the 6 sanderson sisters get together.  jessie dicus mother is one of the sanderson sisters.  and jessie lawless attends this get-together.  this would be jessie dicus married george webster lawless.  maybe there is something else in that article we missed.  well for one thing we could get the date of the paper, as she is still jessie "lawless" at that point in time.
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« Reply #1945 on: May 18, 2009, 08:46:43 PM »

there is also a note somewhere that says jessie dicus married "lucky louie".  whoever that is  Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #1946 on: May 18, 2009, 08:57:56 PM »

ok the article is aug 18, 1960, 5 years after george webster lawless marries esther luretta unknown.  so jessie is still using the last name of lawless 5 years at the very least after they are divorced.  I wonder how long they were divorced before he remarried.  so for 30 years after CLL is born, she is still a lawless and no more kids?  unreal 
I find it hard to believe she has her last child at age 25 and no more all this time.  and what about him, he had no more children for 30 years? that does not make any sense.  people then had 8-15 kids normally.  very uncommon then to have 2, and quit at age 25.
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« Reply #1947 on: May 18, 2009, 08:59:46 PM »

Luckie Louie - see comment #18 - genealogy.
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« Reply #1948 on: May 18, 2009, 09:00:00 PM »

hmmm what if lane is not clifford ?    Monkey Devil!
maybe he goes by lane because he IS LANE    maybe another child is clifford lane?
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« Reply #1949 on: May 18, 2009, 09:10:17 PM »

Not sure if this has already been captured ,

Lane Lawless was living in Livermore California in 1982

Quad-City Herald - Oct 14, 1982
Lane Lawless, Livermore, California , visited last week in Brewster with Mrs. Esther Lawless.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=164MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4359,750752&dq=lawless+brewster

yes he use to live there.  I don't know if you are from or familiar with cali.  livermore is just up the hill from tracy, going to the bay area.  I think he pastored a church there. 

he was also living in san jose, modesto, eureka, redding, and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head right now.

DD, Lane is "somebody" and not Clifford.
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« Reply #1950 on: May 18, 2009, 09:12:25 PM »

you are so right, there should be more kids . . .
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« Reply #1951 on: May 18, 2009, 09:16:50 PM »

Lane Brian Lawless - see post #355.
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« Reply #1952 on: May 18, 2009, 10:06:11 PM »

blink---

here is some more curry names I just added to the tree, they are sarah's parents and siblings, are any of them who you are looking for?

James e curry born abt 1820
 1st wife -Lucinda
1820 1860
Nathaniel Curry
1844 1917     
James E Curry Jr
1846      
Sarah Jane Curry
1849      
Malinda Curry
1851      
John Curry
1853      
elizabeth Curry
1855      
arminta Curry
1855


2nd wife -Sarah Matilda
1835  
John Curry
1853      
Araminta Curry
1855      
William A Curry
1859 1899
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« Reply #1953 on: May 18, 2009, 10:31:20 PM »

hmmm what if lane is not clifford ?    Monkey Devil!
maybe he goes by lane because he IS LANE    maybe another child is clifford lane?

Im with you. Personally, I think he is Claude, and changed to Clifford. No basis other than hunch.
That, and he has to be someone. I have combed the WA records up and down for the years before he married and after. No probate, no nothin'. Not possible.
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« Reply #1954 on: May 18, 2009, 10:34:05 PM »

blink---

here is some more curry names I just added to the tree, they are sarah's parents and siblings, are any of them who you are looking for?

James e curry born abt 1820
 1st wife -Lucinda
1820 1860
Nathaniel Curry
1844 1917     
James E Curry Jr
1846      
Sarah Jane Curry
1849      
Malinda Curry
1851      
John Curry
1853      
elizabeth Curry
1855      
arminta Curry
1855


2nd wife -Sarah Matilda
1835  
John Curry
1853      
Araminta Curry
1855      
William A Curry
1859 1899

Not at first glance, but Sarah's Curry siblings once removed from the Lawless family most definately. Where this family connects imo will be enlightening, imo. Thanks DD
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« Reply #1955 on: May 18, 2009, 10:37:38 PM »

I will put this in report form later.  but for now
Jessie dicus is CLL's mother
her mother is sarah edna louisa Sadie Sanderson
she is one of the 6 sisters at the reunion in the 1960 news article
Jessie was also there with the last name of lawless
she had been divorced from him for at least 5 yrs, because he was remarried in 1955
jessie's mother, sarah sanderso was born in canada, as was several siblings of her sarah
sarah sanderson  mother of jessie dicus/lawless, Cll's mother
Feb 28, 1882
Olden Twp, Frontenac, Ontario, Canada

at the reunion is:
mrs florence mansfield
mrs clara mcKenzie / clara sanderson from lewiston Idaho
mrs bea ganzman/beatrice sanderson, with grandson GARY/she from walla walla
Mr & Mrs george snyder/gladys sanderson, seattle, their son & family there too
mr and mrs Harold Haight/ grace sanderson/spokane, their daughter & family "Mutch"
mrs al dicus/sadie, mother of jessie/pateros
mr and mrs frank dicus, chelan
mr and mrs kenneth sanderson, brother of sanderson sisters, 25 mile creek
mrs eva sanderson, mother of sanderson sisters/nee eva godfrey
mr and mrs ernie lemon - don't know
mr phin wright - don't know
mrs mamie tupper - don't know
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so one of the sanderson sisters/beatrice ganzman, has a grandson named gary, I need to figure out who he is. her married name is ganzman.  so either he is a ganzman, or his mother is, and married to ?
beatrice is jessie's aunt,
jessie would be his 2nd cousin, that is still close in family ties.  what if his mother married a lawless also?

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« Reply #1956 on: May 18, 2009, 10:39:56 PM »

hmmm what if lane is not clifford ?    Monkey Devil!
maybe he goes by lane because he IS LANE    maybe another child is clifford lane?

Im with you. Personally, I think he is Claude, and changed to Clifford. No basis other than hunch.
That, and he has to be someone. I have combed the WA records up and down for the years before he married and after. No probate, no nothin'. Not possible.
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well what gets me is these people keep naming people in the family with the same names, after relatives, but there are no gary or clifford names, so where the heck are these names coming from?  we are missing someone somewhere.  someone is hidden, but we will eventually find them.
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« Reply #1957 on: May 18, 2009, 10:44:45 PM »

oh one other thing I forgot to say, the sandersons are out of canada.  here we are again, coming out of canada. 

on and something else I just thought of. 
if CLL's father, george webster lawless remarries esther lurette unknown in 1955, she must have kids.. so CLL has step brothers and sisters, so who are they?
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« Reply #1958 on: May 18, 2009, 10:58:41 PM »

here her name is spelled gangman, ( is that like lawless  Monkey Devil!)omg gang men who are lawless!!!

this is the sanderson sister, jessie dicus' aunt, who has the grandson gary. 
I see she has a son, CARL, like the brother of gary lawless is jeffrey CARL lawless.


1930 United States Federal Census
about Beatrice V Gangman
Name: Beatrice V Gangman
Home in 1930: Wenatchee, Chelan, Washington
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Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 
Birthplace: Washington 
Relation to Head-of-house: Head 
Race: White
Occupation:

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Household Members: Name Age
Beatrice V Gangman 33 
Helen G Gangman 14 
Frances E Gangman 12 
Carl E Gangman 11 
 
 
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« Reply #1959 on: May 18, 2009, 11:02:53 PM »

this is really getting interesting. her husband is CARL E. 
and the son is CARL EVERETT.  we have that name(everestt) with robertson listed with timothy?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Beatrice V Ganzman
Name: Beatrice V Ganzman
[Beatrice V Tanzman] (hmmm another spelling)
Home in 1920: Pateros, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 24 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head-of-house: Wife 
Spouse's name: Carl L E
Father's Birth Place: Canada 
Mother's Birth Place: Canada 
Marital Status: Married 
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes 
Able to Write: Yes 
Image: 366 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Carl L E Ganzman 33 
Beatrice V Ganzman 24 
Hellen G Ganzman 4 2/12 
Frances E Ganzman 2 1/12 
C Everett Ganzman 11/12 
 
 
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