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« Reply #2060 on: May 19, 2009, 10:54:38 PM »

Children of Richard Birdette Lawless and Bette June Grimes

Gerald d lawless
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John Lawless
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« Reply #2061 on: May 19, 2009, 11:00:42 PM »

I swear this is my last post.
Luanne is not Ian's mother, if I recall correctly.  Gerry already had a son? She was a Campbell/Warner before they married.  Can't find it now, but really think that is correct.
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« Reply #2062 on: May 19, 2009, 11:01:22 PM »

oh I just had a thought I need to put out here before I forget it.

remember richard ray lawless the child rapist who also lives in clarkston/lewiston area, and in montana, has a son with the same name, and there is amanda lawless also. 
well now we have one of the sandersons in lewiston, who was that back there LOL... I keep thinking the richard ray lawless is connected to one of CLL"s uncles.  maybe even richard birdette and bette grimes? I don't know just thinking and wondering, but maybe this richard ray lawless connects to the sanderson and over there in the lewieston area...

also look at this kinship report and see that CLL is really not that far disconnected to carl everett ganzman line.  second cousins can be closely tied in the family.  I have second cousins that are my age and we grew up together.  its common, especially when families back there had 8 kids. 

Kinship of Clifford "Lane" Lawless
Name   Relationship with Clifford Lawless   Civil   Canon
Arner, Chandelle   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Arner, Delano   Husband of the 2nd cousin      
Browning, Katherine   Niece of the wife      
Browning, Meredith I   Niece of the wife      
Burrow, Carly   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Burrow, Darrell   Husband of the 2nd cousin once removed      
Burrow, shelby   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Cates, Alayna   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Cates, Curry   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Cates, Jacci   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Cates, Lance   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Cates, Larry   Husband of the 2nd cousin      
Cates, Mikayla   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Cates, Rebecca J   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Cooper, Henry Thomas   Great-grandfather of the wife      
Cooper, Irene   Mother-in-law      
Cooper, John Bailey "Willis"   Grandfather of the wife      
Cooper, Unknown   Aunt of the wife      
Curry, Rachael Perilee   Wife of the 1st cousin once removed      
Curry, Sarah Jane   Great-grandmother of the wife      
Dicus, Alfred   Grandfather   II   2
Dicus, David Wilson   Uncle   III   2
Dicus, Dorothy Elva   Aunt   III   2
Dicus, Eva Loetta   Aunt   III   2
Dicus, Everest Alfred   Uncle   III   2
Dicus, Infant   Aunt/uncle   III   2
Dicus, Jessie Grace   Mother   I   1
Dicus, Norbert Frank   Uncle   III   2
Dodson, Mary E   Great-grandmother of the wife      
Ellenberger, Benjamin   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Ellenberger, Jay E   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Ellenberger, Jay E.   Spouse of the 2nd cousin once removed      
Ellenberger, Kym   2nd cousin once removed   VII   4
Ellenberger, Mathew   2nd cousin twice removed   VIII   5
Ellenberger, unknown   Husband of the 2nd cousin      
Ganzman, Carel   2nd cousin   VI   3
Ganzman, Carl Everett   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Ganzman, Carl Ludwig Edward   Husband of the grandaunt      
Ganzman, Frances Elizabeth   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Ganzman, Hellen G Cladys(?)   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Ganzman, Kaytie "Georgia"   2nd cousin   VI   3
Ganzman, Sharen   2nd cousin   VI   3
Godfrey, Eva Eliza   Great-grandmother   III   3
Greenway, Norma May   Wife of the uncle      
Grimes, Bette June   Wife of the uncle      
Haight, daughter   1st cousin once removed   V   3
Haight, Harold   Husband of the grandaunt      
Haley, Georgia Pearl   1st cousin   IV   2
Haley, Leland   Husband of the aunt      
Harris, Arthur "DeWayne"   Brother-in-law      
Harris, Arthur Alanzo "A. A."   Father-in-law      
Harris, Constance Lorene   Wife      
Harris, Cynthia Irene   Sister-in-law      
Harris, Nathan   Great-grandfather of the wife      
Harris, William Earl   Grandfather of the wife      
Holt, Wilma Toots   Wife of the uncle      
Huckaby, Johnny Jason   Husband of the granddaughter      
Hughes   Son-in-law      
Lawless, Adam   Grandson   II   2
Lawless, Agnes Ada   Aunt   III   2
Lawless, Brett   Son   I   1
Lawless, Brian L   Son   I   1
Lawless, Celeb Joshua   Grandson   II   2
Lawless, Clifford "Lane"   Self      0
Lawless, daughter   Great-granddaughter   III   3
Lawless, George Webster   Father   I   1
Lawless, James H "W"   Grandfather   II   2
Lawless, John Mack   Uncle   III   2
Lawless, Joni   Daughter   I   1
Lawless, Julianne   Granddaughter   II   2
Lawless, Mabel Pearl   Aunt   III   2
Lawless, McNealy A. "Mack"   Great-grandfather   III   3
Lawless, Melissa Chantel   Granddaughter   II   2
Lawless, Paul George   Brother   II   1
Lawless, Ralph Devere   Uncle   III   2
Lawless, Richard Birdette   Uncle   III   2
Lawless, William Bryan   Uncle   III   2
Lawless, Zina Ellen   Aunt   III   2
Louie", "Lucky   Husband of the mother      
Mahaley   Great-grandmother of the wife      
Mansfield, unknown   Husband of the grandaunt      
McKenzie, unknown   Husband of the grandaunt      
Mutch, Unknown   Husband of the 1st cousin once removed      
Purks, Judy A.   Daughter-in-law      
Rowland, Nancy Hanse   Grandmother   II   2
Sanderson, Annie Laura   Grandaunt   IV   3
Sanderson, Beatrice Violet   Grandaunt   IV   3
Sanderson, Clara Myrtle   Grandaunt   IV   3
Sanderson, Daniel Wilson   Great-grandfather   III   3
Sanderson, Eva "Grace"   Grandaunt   IV   3
Sanderson, Florence Evalena   Grandaunt   IV   3
Sanderson, Gladys Tressa   Grandaunt   IV   3
Sanderson, Kenneth   Granduncle   IV   3
Sanderson, Robert Everett   Granduncle   IV   3
Sanderson, Sarah Edna Lousia Sadie   Grandmother   II   2
Sloan, Minnie Lucille   Grandmother of the wife      
Smithson, Effie Joetta   Grandmother of the wife      
Smithson, Elize B   1st cousin once removed of the wife      
Smithson, Ella   Grandaunt of the wife      
Smithson, Greenbury   Granduncle of the wife      
Smithson, Harvey H   Granduncle of the wife      
Smithson, John F   Great-grandfather of the wife      
Smithson, Josephen   1st cousin once removed of the wife      
Smithson, Maude   Grandaunt of the wife      
Smithson, Ollie Elnora   Grandaunt of the wife      
Smithson, Walter Burton   Granduncle of the wife      
Snyder, George   Husband of the grandaunt      
Sowder, Jason   Husband of the 2nd cousin once removed      
Thayer, Gladys   Wife of the uncle      
Turner, Donald   1st cousin   IV   2
Turner, James Levi   Husband of the aunt      
Turner, Lee   1st cousin   IV   2
Turner, Ruth   1st cousin   IV   2
Unknown, Esther Luretta   Wife of the father      
Wisemore, Jim   Husband of the 2nd cousin      
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« Reply #2063 on: May 19, 2009, 11:03:02 PM »

I lied, this is my last post.  Totally agree the center lies with Sutton/Lawless and Elaine.
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« Reply #2064 on: May 19, 2009, 11:11:57 PM »

Children of Richard Birdette Lawless and Bette June Grimes

Gerald d lawless
married Luanne

John Lawless
this is the cousin?
ok now I am the one totally mixed up LOL
ok yes, john is the cousin of CLL, the son of bette june grimes and richard birdette Lawless(uncle of CLL).  duh.  he is the one calling home on xmas 1986 in bangor maine.  gee.  ok he is the cousin of CLL.
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and here is your post
I swear, I had it clear as a bell -- duh!
ok lawless folks used gomes back and forth with Marilyn aka short and lawless and gomes i.e. timothy lawless/gomes/gary duane lawless/gomes, jeffrey carl lawless/gomes.
Ian Gomes is the grandson of Betty Lawless Johnson x-wife of Birdette Lawless, who is brother of George W. Lawless (ekekeke) who ______ to John Lawless who is the cousin of Clifford Lane Lawless.  Katherine Gomes is the mother of Ian Gomes. 


so ... so birdette is the father of your john lawless above, who is the cousin of CLL. 
ok you are correct all through that part. 

now the katherine gomes is the mother of ian gomes is where I am not following you.  the ian lawless with bette june grimes and richard birdette lawless, is their grandson.  but this ian's mother is luanne who is married to gerald lawless the son of richard birdette lawless and better june grimes. 
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katherine lawless and jermaine are someone out of the bay area.  I have them somewhere, but can't remember off the top of my head who they go with. 

but where I am totally not getting it is:

the article people.. how are they the ones with these other people? 

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« Reply #2065 on: May 19, 2009, 11:16:48 PM »

I swear this is my last post.
Luanne is not Ian's mother, if I recall correctly.  Gerry already had a son? She was a Campbell/Warner before they married.  Can't find it now, but really think that is correct.

hmmm, yes, luanne is very confusing with all of her names.  she is the one arrested for fraud, she might have a ton of aliases.

oh I have not really checked that, other than the birth of Kai, but maybe she is not ian's mother.  northern did all that work on ian, do we have a birth record for him?  if not maybe I better find one and see who is mother really is?
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« Reply #2066 on: May 19, 2009, 11:36:53 PM »

Hi DD & Sister,

DD, is there something I can help you work on as far as
Ronald Sutton, Gary lawless or Elaine Lawless?


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« Reply #2067 on: May 20, 2009, 12:30:16 AM »

Hi DD & Sister,

DD, is there something I can help you work on as far as
Ronald Sutton, Gary lawless or Elaine Lawless?


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« Reply #2068 on: May 20, 2009, 12:33:48 AM »

on ronald sutton lawless.  I am looking for his brothers/sisters.  he is born 1939.  another ron s lawless is listed with him, born 1900.  there is a lawless trust.  I can't find his father.  his mother is dorothy daphne doyle.  her mother was a sutton,
if we can find ronald sutton lawless' brother, I think we might find our missing gary d lawless. 

gary duane lawless, the son, brother of timothy john lawless, is listed under the same phone number as elain c bevilacqua, who is the exwife of ronald sutton lawless.  his next wife is delores m abang.
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« Reply #2069 on: May 20, 2009, 01:16:59 AM »

Thank you DD, I will be back in the morning..
This is rough..lol...I research and search and I
start getting really happy like I am getting somewhere
and then bOOm I hit a dead end ..I would
like to hope that persistence pays off and I can help you.
You have done an awesome job. It is shown through your
research and mentality of putting it all together. 

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« Reply #2070 on: May 20, 2009, 01:14:05 PM »

oh bother, they have put out the name of Melissa's daughter -- Madison.
 
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« Reply #2071 on: May 20, 2009, 02:41:46 PM »

oh bother, they have put out the name of Melissa's daughter -- Madison.
 
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who put out her name?  hmmm, what is the point I wonder?  I purposely have listered her as "daughter" on the reports.  I don't think I need to be putting her name all over.  Maybe some people feel the need to list a child's name who is so close to a crime like this; I have listed some names that help to identify people we don't know who they are, so we can find the lines, but I don't think Melissa's daughter's name is helping to find anyone, is it?  hmmm, oh well, each person thinks differently about these things I guess.  but in my reports I will still just list her as "daughter".
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« Reply #2072 on: May 20, 2009, 02:42:51 PM »

ok, now I have to regroup and remember what I was trying to do here.   
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« Reply #2073 on: May 20, 2009, 02:48:20 PM »

Thank you DD, I will be back in the morning..
This is rough..lol...I research and search and I
start getting really happy like I am getting somewhere
and then bOOm I hit a dead end ..I would
like to hope that persistence pays off and I can help you.
You have done an awesome job. It is shown through your
research and mentality of putting it all together. 

Gnight and Sweet Dreams DD

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yes, I do the very same thing, think everything is going somewhere only to get stuck or find out it is not the right line.  All I can say to anyone is "Welcome to genealogy"  Monkey Devil! Crime research is always that way I guess, unless you get really lucky and hit something right off.  Persistence does pay off.  I get through about one name a day and get is straightened out, only to find 5 more names I need to go look for.  but there really is a method to our madness; we will eventually know which criminals, child molesters and child porn trafficking groups are located in which families and who might all be working together.  And we will have a better idea is Melissa Lawless/huckaby might have connections with any other people who are doing these things.  I personally believe she is connected to "something", and I intend to dig until I figure out just who these people are. 
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« Reply #2074 on: May 20, 2009, 02:50:49 PM »

okay, I think I will jump back onto the ron lawless connection again today. 
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« Reply #2075 on: May 20, 2009, 03:24:10 PM »

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090520/A_NEWS/905200330

I am pasting this here, it was over on the general thread, but I think it is interesting to see the jetting back and forth to Oregon to hide Young Child Huckaby.

 As Melissa Huckaby faces charges she kidnapped, raped and killed 8-year-old Sandra Cantu in March, the Tracy woman's mother and ex-husband are waging a bitter court battle for custody of the murder suspect's young daughter.

On April 16, less than a week after Tracy police arrested his ex-wife in connection with Sandra's death, Johnny Huckaby asked a court to give him custody of their 5-year-old daughter, citing the rape and murder allegations in court papers filed in Orange County Superior Court.

Madison Huckaby, who was Sandra's playmate, has been living with Melissa Huckaby's parents, Judy and Brian Lawless, in the Southern California town of Cypress since last month's arrest, according to court filings.

Court Commissioner Walter Posey initially granted Johnny Huckaby, 25, custody of his daughter on April 20. But Posey reversed course two days later, after Judy Lawless pleaded with the court to let her keep the child.

In court papers, Judy Lawless said Madison has lived with her most of her life and has had little contact with her father, who has since remarried and lives 1,700 miles away, just outside Little Rock, Ark.

A custody hearing Monday was postponed until July 6.

Johnny Huckaby, Judy Lawless and their lawyers did not return calls for comment late Tuesday.

Madison befriended Sandra in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park in Tracy, where the 8-year-old disappeared March 27.

Sandra's body was found 10 days later inside a suitcase that was dumped in a nearby pond. Melissa Huckaby was arrested April 10.

At the time, Madison was living with her mother and Melissa Huckaby's grandparents, Lane and Connie Lawless, a few doors down from Sandra's family in the trailer park.

Judy Lawless is the daughter-in-law of Lane and Connie Lawless.

Lane Lawless is also pastor of the tiny Clover Road Baptist Church, where Melissa Huckaby taught Sunday school.

Melissa and Johnny Huckaby's marriage was brief.

She was five months' pregnant and had recently filed for bankruptcy when they married in 2003. They separated a year later, and Melissa Huckaby filed for divorce in Orange County in 2005.

In divorce papers, Melissa Huckaby accused her estranged husband of domestic violence, alcohol abuse and child abduction, allegations he denies. Melissa Huckaby was granted custody of their daughter, and Johnny Huckaby was allowed supervised visits.

In a recent court filing, Judy Lawless said Madison and Melissa Huckaby lived with her in Orange County from the fall of 2004 until June 2008, before moving to the Tracy mobile home park.

To avoid the news media covering Melissa Huckaby's arrest, Judy Lawless took Madison and, until April 20, was staying with a relative in Oregon, according to court documents.

Johnny Huckaby wrote in court papers that he traveled to Oregon with the court order to retrieve his daughter, but Judy Lawless had already taken her back to Southern California. He accuses her of lying to him about Madison's whereabouts.

Johnny Huckaby also claims that, in recent years, his ex-wife denied his attempts to contact their daughter, threatening to hide out in Oregon and tell Madison he was not her father.

In an April 17 interview with ABC News, the day after he filed his custody request, Johnny Huckaby said he hoped for the sake of their daughter that his ex-wife is innocent of the criminal charges that make her eligible for the death penalty.

"I do not want my daughter growing up with that type of legacy to look forward to," he said. He said their daughter was not aware of her mother's situation.

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« Reply #2076 on: May 20, 2009, 03:25:09 PM »

DD, if you get a chance, woud you look for the mother of Ian Lawless, the son of Gerry/Gerald Lawless -- I think Luanne is his stepmom.  If not, I'll look later tonight.  Have meetings this afternoon.
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« Reply #2077 on: May 20, 2009, 03:51:11 PM »

about the above article blink just posted with judy lawless hiding melissa's daughter.  hmmm, she took her to oregon to hide her from the media?  I thought she took her on a preplanned vacation?
I can't really say who is right or wrong here, morally, etc, but jumping up in the very beginning and take the child out of state to hide her is maybe an old pattern of this family.  ???  seems so many of them just up and left washington and took off and hid as well.  personally, if that were my granddaughter, and I had lived with her all that time, I probably might do the same thing, but does not mean it is the right thing to do.  And it certainly is bordering "illegal", but again, who knows what I would do in that situation.  but the interesting thing here is WHAT she did, HIDING the child.  If they want people to believe they are all "good" they need to be careful of their actions. 

And melissa huckaby was NOT living with her mother since 2004 and then move straight to the mobile home park with her grandparents.  Who is she trying to fool!
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« Reply #2078 on: May 20, 2009, 04:52:35 PM »

DD, if you get a chance, woud you look for the mother of Ian Lawless, the son of Gerry/Gerald Lawless -- I think Luanne is his stepmom.  If not, I'll look later tonight.  Have meetings this afternoon.

okay I will check on this and see if I can find some docs for it
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« Reply #2079 on: May 20, 2009, 04:54:08 PM »

oh I also posted the reports for the Ronald sutton lawless line and the timothy lawless line on the genealogy thread so it is easy to refer to who is who on those lines.  If you can't find something in there, just ask me. 
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