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« Reply #440 on: April 30, 2009, 01:00:58 PM »

G'Mornin Monkeys!
Quick question:
Have you busy Monkeys ruled out California RSO's
Robert Alan Lawless & James Charles Lawless ?

Not ruled out yet.  Still working down the tree to get all the bloodline and names.
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« Reply #441 on: April 30, 2009, 01:06:26 PM »

G'Mornin Monkeys!
Quick question:
Have you busy Monkeys ruled out California RSO's
Robert Alan Lawless & James Charles Lawless ?

Not ruled out yet.  Still working down the tree to get all the bloodline and names.

Hi NorRose!
Would it be helpful if I post their photos and info.?
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« Reply #442 on: April 30, 2009, 01:09:36 PM »

Richard Birdette Lawless and Bette Jane Grimes had four children:

Child Four John Lawless married Ms. Shutt ( father Mr Shutt mother Ms. Halliday)
 They had 4 children

Child one male
Child two male
Child three female
Child four male

Chronology of John:

1976 played football in High School

1979 flys home to visit parents Betty and Don Johnson from North Seattle Community College.

1978 flew to Louisville Kentucky to visit John McCollum his former Bridge Port Teacher

1982 (Mar) Don and Betty Johnson are in Utah visiting and John who is attending school at BYU in Provo visited them in Salt Lake.

1982 (Dec) visits Brewster for 10 days from BYU in Provo

1983 Returns to parents home( Don and Betty Johnson) after attending BYU in Utah.  Plans to continue schooling during winter quarter.

1986 calls home at Christmas from Bangor, Maine

I loose him after 1986. Is this when he married Ms. Shutt and settles there to have his 4 children?
 I even signed into BYU site to search their Alumi.  For someone who went to BYU for so long and NOTHING to come up on him there is nuts.  It is almost like they wiped him off their site?

this one needs further searching.

I am going to go after  Richard Birdette Lawless first wife Wilma "Toots" Holt and marriage now.


I am bringing this forward as I found out more about John this morning and hoping that others can help with his search.

- He was on mission for the LDS Church from 1980-1982 in the San Diego area
- started at BYU Provo on Jan 6, 1982
- STUDYING TO BE AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER

If he went on Mission for LDS he must be Mormon.  That means his marriage to Ms.  Shutt would have been Mormon.  Not sure if this helps with finding marriage and children as I am not familiar with the Moron faith. Is there a central mormon birth announcement site that we can trace down the three male children that would have carried on the Lawless name?  I am guessing if they were practicing mormons they would have had the first child within the first year of marriage.
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see this is how I do not understand this guy is "lost".  Mormons are required to do their family tree. they are the biggest genealogy buffs on the face of the planet !!!!

let me go do a search in LDS. 

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« Reply #443 on: April 30, 2009, 01:14:49 PM »

G'Mornin Monkeys!
Quick question:
Have you busy Monkeys ruled out California RSO's
Robert Alan Lawless & James Charles Lawless ?

Not ruled out yet.  Still working down the tree to get all the bloodline and names.

Hi NorRose!
Would it be helpful if I post their photos and info.?

Yes it would.  Thanks!
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« Reply #444 on: April 30, 2009, 01:30:35 PM »

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           James Charles Lawless

261.2     PRIOR CODE-RAPE BY FORCE
288a(c)    ORAL COPULATION WITH PERSON UNDER 14/ETC OR BY FORCE/ETC

THIS SEX OFFENDER HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS SINCE 09/26/2008.

INCARCERATED
Last Name:   LAWLESS      First Name: JAMES     Middle Name:  CHARLES     
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    
County:    
Zip Code    
Date of Birth:    09-15-1953
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'0"
Weight:    140
Eye Color:    HAZEL
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

                Robert Alan Lawless

288(a)     ATTEMPTED LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

LAWLESS      First Name: ROBERT     Middle Name:  ALAN
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    201 W CALIFORNIA AVE # 321
SUNNYVALE, 94086
County:    SANTA CLARA
Zip Code    94086
Date of Birth:    09-23-1983
Sex:    MALE
Height:    5'10"
Weight:    160
Eye Color:    GREEN
Hair Color:    BLONDE
Ethnicity:    WHITE
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« Reply #445 on: April 30, 2009, 01:49:15 PM »

I am bringing all my recent posts over from Blink On Crime to this site - so get ready !

Communication with Tracy Press:
A lightning fast response from Tracy Press - polite and genuine !!! I also send emails to the other press in the area this morning - nothing from them yet ~

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:24 AM
To: Cheri Matthews
Subject: Timothy Lawless

The following website has been doing quite a bit of research on Timothy Lawless arrest and looking for a connection to the M Huckaby case. A question was possed and I thought the best way to solve the mystery was simply to email you and ask you. Is there a reason you have not reported a story on Timothy Lawless ?

“I too spent a lot of time on Timothy Lawless. It is odd that given the grave nature of his alleged offense, that the Sacramento Bee and Folsom Telegraph did not provide an article. Also Lawless, a former marine, IT guy who worked in major corporations, married to a realtor from a high class firm, on a noted softball team in Folsom, called Gayle Mfg. team, is not a marginal person, so some news coverage would have been expected.”

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/#comment-1482267

This site is now full - new site: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4964.280

From: Cheri Matthews
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: Timothy Lawless

As far as we know, and also from what the cops and jail tell us, Timothy Lawless is not related to Melissa Huckaby. That’s why there’s no story. If we found out they were related, we would report on it. But just because someone has the same last name as her grandparents and is charged with a grave crime isn’t enough of a link.

(I emailed back and asked if she would mind me posting her response):

No prob. I appreciate that you’ll let me know if someone finds something! Our sources may not know — or may not be telling the truth. Thanks!

Cheri Matthews
Editor, TP

Thanks for posting that. Jenn Wadsworth and I have communicated back and forth as well.
This is typical of local media.
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NOW THIS IS WHY NOTHING IS GOING ON IN THE CANTU CASE PUBLICALLY !!!! (AN EMAIL FROM A JOURNALIST FRIEND)

“Ladies: Just one comment on the email exchange below: I can’t agree with J on her comment about the judge’s gag order primarily because it includes “potential witnesses”. As K explained it to me that means if we as journalist would try to interview a neighbor, whistle blower, just an ordinary citizen and they should talk to us, those individuals would be at risk for contempt of court charges even if they had not been noticed that they were potential witnesses.

This vague, all encompassing language enables any other charges past, present or future that might be brought against Melissa Huckaby and/or her extended family or “friends” who might also be culpable to be hidden from the public because of the Judge’s gag order.

It is my belief that the more information you get out to the public the greater the liklihood the truth will surface and the less likely the perps was stay hidden…………..Just a thought………..V.”

This is an email from a friend who is an attorney living near Tracy, but is no longer practicing. She comes from a legal angle.

“Thanks for posting it. I don’t mind. You can post all or some of it, if you feel like it, on Blinkoncrime, or on Scaredmonkeys discussion board re: Sandra Cantu — two threads there, the link between Huckaby and T. Lawless’ and a general link or on Insession discussion forum. Websleuths is doing a poor job in that they moderate out a lot of stuff re: alternative theories.”

It may be the FBI is behind or participating in the Lawless arrest, especially if it involves their jurisdiction: internet child porn, trafficking minors across state lines, or a kidnap or murder of am minor. The FBI can of course issue it's own warrants for arrest. In some California cases, the local authorities do an arrest for child porn and then the U.S. attorney takes over the case.  California State penalties for possession of child porn are moderate compared to federal penalties.

The FBI investigated the church in Washington so someone at the church must be involved with Melissa Huckaby, or someone there is involved with another suspect in the Huckaby case, or there is something in Huckaby’s background about being abused in the context of that church or someone connected to it.

Of course, if a church is involved in child abuse, then the door opens for investigation of cultic, ritual or Satanic aspects of the case. In the Catholic abuse cases, there was a cultic aspect ranging from outright Satanic stuff to priests telling altar boys that they had to shut up and put up or they would go to hell, etc. Also, there is speculation that Huckaby may have used church type items — a crucifix?– in regard to Cantu or other children or herself. There is also speculation that Cantu is an abuse victim herself, and the abuse may involved some religious ideas or persons.

There are a lot of cultic cases where people beat the demons out of
someone and feel they must do so and are justified, or must do so
to save themselves. There are some cultic cases where a person
is told they have a demon and are engaged in molestation or have
urges to do so, and it is not true. I personally dislike all this
demon type stuff, but it is going on, even in mainstream religions.

I think the defense attorney’s dropping his request for disinterment
and a second autopsy shows that the defense will not be agressive
in the early stages of this case. Because there will be no
second autopsy, who knows what could have been detected? Decomposition is already set in where Cantu is located — a mausoleum. Although the medical examiner could have retained specimens for the defense to analyze, that act would not compare to having the entire body available. The D.A. should have offered to stipulate to a second autopsy or at least freezing the body until the defense motion for the second autopsy could be heard. The defense motion was filed AFTER the body was taken out of the freezer to the funeral home.  So decomposition and embalming occurred marring potential scientific review. Essentially, the DA’s allowing the evidence out of the freezer destroyed a big opportunity for a second medical
forensic review of the case.

Now the DA’s opposition to the motion to disinter has been sealed sua sponte by the judge without a hearing or opportunity
for the media to file a request to unseal.”

ANOTHER EMAIL AND WORDS OF WISDOM FROM A FRIEND LIVING NEAR TRACY:

“It is a glaring coincidence at least that T. Lawless and Huckaby, face
similar charges, at the same essential time, and share a last name.

As of now, the efforts on Blink site have resulted in finding out that the Lawless family, has several sex offenders in its ranks, and is very connected to religion. Of course, one can say if any family is traced enough these types of connections or similar ones can occur. Soon, some report will be done by the Blink researchers which lays out all the Lawless Huckaby family history. Given that shrinks say molestation tends to be a multigenerational phenomena, this type of
data could shed light onthe Cantu case.

Whether or not a familial connection exists between Melissa Huckaby and Timothy Lawless — who knows.

Because Folsom, where T. Lawless lives is only a one hour drive to Tracy, and because Huckaby described herself on her website as a “party organizer”, and she appeared to have several male friends in Tracy, it is possible that this group of people knew each other. Note, no adult female friend of Huckaby in Tracy has surfaced that I know of.

What is really driving people crazy in this Tracy case is that no one
really believes that Melissa Huckaby acted alone. People also do not
believe the police who say she acted alone because, 1) they did not
put out an Amber alert that night, and 2) they did not put out bloodhounds that night. My God– what did they think Sandra Cantu did — hop on a bike and go to a bar? 3) the young cop handling the matter Cogburn failed to make a detention of Huckaby when she took the first girl and apparently drugged her in January 09.

Also the Tracy 60, covered by the Tracy Press on April 6 (no longer online, don’t have the article but has been quoted) indicated that Cogburn said that he knew of 50 or 60 people in Tracy currently using child porn and he didn’t have enough evidence to arrest them. There have been three big arrests for child abuse, porn, including the Tracy teen case in the last few months in Tracy. The feds ran Operation Valley Predator last year in the Central Valley and Tracy police participated. This flushed out some, I guess, but it may have made others more careful, and use unusual methods of procurements, photography, etc. such as enlisting Huckaby whom no one suspected of anything.”









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« Reply #446 on: April 30, 2009, 01:49:57 PM »

Have I officially lost it or is there a John Floyd Thomas somewhere on here?
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I have a Rich Thomason who is the stepdad  of Bill Lawless who is the son from the marriage of Wilma Toots Holt and Richard B Lawless (brother of Lane).   I really hope that made sense.  Not seen the serial killer name yet.

richard b lawless is the UNCLE OF CLL.   he is the brother of george w lawless who is the father of CLL
LOL pretty soon your mind just gets boggled.  I just got on here so I am pretty alert this morning, but by afternoon I am all scambled up too LOL


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« Reply #447 on: April 30, 2009, 01:58:52 PM »

quick note for everyone trying to sort this stuff out
I have the actual date etc and more but if have this it will help
the kids of all the children listed here will be the first cousins of CLL

parents
James H lawless – 1945 actually james webster, but records have him James H
married
nancy hanse rowland
1865 – 1945

children
Mabel Pearl lawless
1890 – 1959     
george w lawless father of CLL and Paul George
1892 – 1969   
 john mack lawless
1893 – 1965   
  Zina Ellen lawless
1895 – 1897     
William Bryan lawless m. gladys thayer
1897 – 1975     
Ralph Devere lawless
1902 – 1963   
 agnes lawless
1904 – 1976     
Richard Birdette lawless father of Gerald/Jerry and John Lawless
1910 – 1962
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« Reply #448 on: April 30, 2009, 02:03:22 PM »

Have I officially lost it or is there a John Floyd Thomas somewhere on here?
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I have a Rich Thomason who is the stepdad  of Bill Lawless who is the son from the marriage of Wilma Toots Holt and Richard B Lawless (brother of Lane).   I really hope that made sense.  Not seen the serial killer name yet.

richard b lawless is the UNCLE OF CLL.   he is the brother of george w lawless who is the father of CLL
LOL pretty soon your mind just gets boggled.  I just got on here so I am pretty alert this morning, but by afternoon I am all scambled up too LOL



do you have anything else on this "bill" who is the son of richard birdette and wife toots?  I will add him to my data base and see if I get anything to match up
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« Reply #449 on: April 30, 2009, 02:06:50 PM »

Sacsahuan
THANKS SO MUCH for your post....(didn't quote it in the interest of space).
That shed light!
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« Reply #450 on: April 30, 2009, 02:08:56 PM »

Have I officially lost it or is there a John Floyd Thomas somewhere on here?
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I have a Rich Thomason who is the stepdad  of Bill Lawless who is the son from the marriage of Wilma Toots Holt and Richard B Lawless (brother of Lane).   I really hope that made sense.  Not seen the serial killer name yet.

richard b lawless is the UNCLE OF CLL.   he is the brother of george w lawless who is the father of CLL
LOL pretty soon your mind just gets boggled.  I just got on here so I am pretty alert this morning, but by afternoon I am all scambled up too LOL



Yes good correction thanks!  Maybe I should have another cup of coffee.  I am in the middle of a twisted mess.
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« Reply #451 on: April 30, 2009, 02:10:33 PM »

    WELCOME Sacsayhuan   
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« Reply #452 on: April 30, 2009, 02:19:30 PM »

Have I officially lost it or is there a John Floyd Thomas somewhere on here?
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I have a Rich Thomason who is the stepdad  of Bill Lawless who is the son from the marriage of Wilma Toots Holt and Richard B Lawless (brother of Lane).   I really hope that made sense.  Not seen the serial killer name yet.

richard b lawless is the UNCLE OF CLL.   he is the brother of george w lawless who is the father of CLL
LOL pretty soon your mind just gets boggled.  I just got on here so I am pretty alert this morning, but by afternoon I am all scambled up too LOL



do you have anything else on this "bill" who is the son of richard birdette and wife toots?  I will add him to my data base and see if I get anything to match up

That is the tangled mess I working on right now.  Here is hwat I have so far and you can see the questions I have left in there that need confirmation.


William "Bill" Lawless

Stepdad Rich Thomason B 1944 -1953

Married

Linda McCroskey daughter of Windell McCroskey from Olympia (was Linda married to a Lawless?)

William "Bill" Lawless Step-Brother is Pat Kegley
Also has a step-sister from Rich and Linda born 20 Sep 1983 in Brewster

Is Pat from a previous marriage of Rich or Linda?

About step father of Bill Lawless


Oct 1979 Rich Thomason and Ed Tradup spent four days last week at Wendover, Utah attending Bonneville Speed Week.

Nov 1979 – Members of Our Saviour Lutheran Church in Brewster gathered at the Ed Tradup homr Sunday evening for an apple cider-making party and potluck dinner.  Guests also included Linda and Rich Thomason and family , who provided their cider press.

Oct 1981 Rich Thomason and Ed Tradup return from Bonneville Salt flats with care reaching 240mph

May 1982 Rich Thomason placed 6th in his class in the World’s Championship “Over the Hill Gang” motorcycle races at Moxee over the weekend.

July 1982 – Rich Thomasons and wife Linda take the Maverick Steamliner Brewster-based lans speed car to Utah salt flats
Aug 1983 Rich Thomasons family attends the Hot Rod races clocked at 125mph

Sept 1982 Rich Thomason and Ed Tradup second record attempt at breaking the land speed world record was washed out due to rain.  According to Thomason’s wife Linda the World finals were cancelled for the first time in 34 years due to heavy rain.

April 1983 Rich Thomason and his two sons Bill Lawless and Pat Kegley attend the Mattawa Desert 100 motor bike races

May 1983 Rich Thomason participated in moto cross races at Olympia over the weekend, winning 6th place in the World Championships for the Over the Hill Gang, the 30 to 39 year group.  The family visited in Olympia with Linda’s aprents, Mr. and Mrs Windell McCroskey.

Jul 1985 Brewster racing car Maverick owned and built by Brewster orchardists Rich Thomason and Ed Tradup reached a speed of 280 mph before going out of control and rolling several times.  Driver Thomason received only minor bruises.

20 Sep 1983 – Birth announcement – A girl to Mr. and Mrs. Rich Thomason, Brewster.






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« Reply #453 on: April 30, 2009, 02:20:08 PM »

    WELCOME Sacsayhuan   

Thanks - am looking forward to the interaction !~  This site & Blink's are great !~
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« Reply #454 on: April 30, 2009, 02:27:01 PM »

Here are additional questions on the family that I have been keeping notes of through my research .  Would appreciate some help on these while I continue on Bill Lawless:

Vicki Lawless
Who is Vicki Lawless that becomes a math teacher in 1981 in Brewster and where does she fit?

Deidre Lawless
How does Deidre Lawless fit in with Carleen/Carlene Lawless?

Mar 1982 – Carlene and Sarah Shepherd and Betty Lawless attended the production of Alice in Wonderland in Wenatchee Saturday.  They also visited Deidre Lawless there.

Aug 1982 – Deidre Lawless of Wenatchee has been visiting here with grandmother, Betty and Don Johnson.. The Johnsons and Tom and Carlene Shepard went to Wenatchee last Saturday for the wedding reception of Jerry Lawless

Dawn Lawless
How does she fit into the Lawless clan if she is singing with Ethel?

Sep 1982 – Organist was Ethel Lawless , Dawn Lawless sang.

Lucille Lawless
How does Lucille fit into the clan?

1981 Lucille Lawless of Tacoma attends wedding of Mary Lynn Dowell Hill of Bridgeport and Bruce H Davis of Bridgeport




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« Reply #455 on: April 30, 2009, 02:39:56 PM »

Deenie

Thank you very much for sharing that with me.  I must say all of this seems pretty overwhelming at times but I do believe that if enough of us join forces we truly can make the world a better place.  I know that Sandra, Caylee are with God safe and sound.  I pray for Haliegh and Adji.  Children who go missing have been very much on my mind since the disappearance of Asha Degree on Feb. 13, 2000.  She was only 9 yrs old.  She disappeared from her home in the middle of the night.  I live in NC not but about an hour or maybe less than where she went missing.  I still look for her although now I look in the Jane Doe files to see if she may have turned up somewhere.  I have a passion about this.  It reminds me of the story of the good shepherd going to look for the one lost little lamb.  I feel that I have found a group that feels as passionately about this as I do and I'm glad to be a part of Scared Monkeys.  By the way, it's nice to meet you!!!

You're not alone 4getUnot.  We are all in this together.  In my entire life, I've never "met" such a cohesive, smart, energetic, determined group of individuals than those on this site.  Someday I'd like to buy you guys dinner.  And I can relate to your story about Asha Degree and Deenie's story about the Oakland Child Killer.  I live not far from where Cherrie Mahan went missing years ago.  She was a sweet little 9 year old girl that got off a school bus about 100 yards from her home on a February day and was never seen again.  That was back in 1985--and the case has never been solved.

I grew up in a small coal town in Eastern Pennsylvania before moving to SW PA.  When I was 7 or 8 years old, I was nearly abducted not 1/2 block from my house.  I remember it like it was yesterday.  I was playing red-light-green-light on my bicycle when a white car pulled up along side of me.  The car was a 4 door with three round red taillights on each side in the back.  There was one guy in the front driving and 2 guys in the back.  All of them were thin with dark hair, and the 2 in the back had goatees.  The guy in the back nearest me rolled his window down and asked me if I was okay.  I said yes.  He said I didn't look ok and that he should take me to my mom.  I said no.  He then asked me if they could give me a ride to the "top of the hill" because it was too far for me to go alone.  I screamed, started crying, the car door opened (at least to this day I think I heard it open), and I took off on my bicycle.  I was able to get away.  I was a lucky one.  Perhaps the worst thing that happened is that my parents never called the police.



I too am glad to have found this bunch of monkeys. I am in awe of many of you, your dedication is amazing. I wish everyone in my town could know how much time and effort you have devoted to finding justice for our little "Tracy Angel". When Sandra went missing it was pretty much on the heals of Kyle's escape, arrests of people for rape, molestation and/or child porn and I hit the roof! I fear for the children in my area and just want all of this to stop. Everyday I pass that mazalim where Sandra was laid to rest, every day I pass the house that Kyle so bravely escaped and I send a prayer up to God begging to keep the children safe.

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« Reply #456 on: April 30, 2009, 02:50:27 PM »

A little information on a Robert Alan Lawless.  Not sure if it's the right guy:

Name: LAWLESS, ROBERT ALAN
Address: 450 N MATHILDA AVE APT E108
SUNNYVALE, CA 94085-4229
SANTA CLARA COUNTY
SSN:
 
Historical Person Locator
This data is for informational purposes only.
 
Finder Information
Name: LAWLESS, ROBERT A
Address: 450 N MATHILDA AVE APT 108
SUNNYVALE, CA 94085-4224
SANTA CLARA COUNTY
 

Person Locator 1
This data is for informational purposes only.
 
Personal Information
Name: LAWLESS, ROBERT
Address: 275 S 12TH ST
SAN JOSE, CA 95112
SSN: 617-14-XXXX
Reported Date: 10/2001
 
Prior Address
Address: 450 N MATHILDA AVE APT E108
SUNNYVALE, CA 94085
Reported Date: 08/2005
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A little information on a Robert Alan Lawless.  Not sure if it's the right guy:

Name: LAWLESS, ROBERT ALAN
Address: 450 N MATHILDA AVE APT E108
SUNNYVALE, CA 94085-4229
SANTA CLARA COUNTY
SSN:
 
Historical Person Locator
This data is for informational purposes only.
 
Finder Information
Name: LAWLESS, ROBERT A
Address: 450 N MATHILDA AVE APT 108
SUNNYVALE, CA 94085-4224
SANTA CLARA COUNTY
 

Person Locator 1
This data is for informational purposes only.
 
Personal Information
Name: LAWLESS, ROBERT
Address: 275 S 12TH ST
SAN JOSE, CA 95112
SSN: 617-14-XXXX
Reported Date: 10/2001
 
Prior Address
Address: 450 N MATHILDA AVE APT E108
SUNNYVALE, CA 94085
Reported Date: 08/2005


Ok that is just creepy now.  They are both from Santa Clara.  Could we have a father and son here?
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« Reply #458 on: April 30, 2009, 02:57:58 PM »

    WELCOME Sacsayhuan   

Thanks - am looking forward to the interaction !~  This site & Blink's are great !~

Welcome Sacsayhuan! I see you have already pulled up a vine, great!
Do you still need to post the "doc" or do you wish to attatch it here?

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« Reply #459 on: April 30, 2009, 02:58:34 PM »

Does anyone have the DOB handy for the John Lawless we're trying to find?  (the one that married Shutt?)
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