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« Reply #800 on: May 02, 2009, 07:09:18 PM »

Hi Tracy!
How ya doin?
I think some sort of summary or tree is a great idea!
I'm wondering which direction to go in myself!
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« Reply #801 on: May 02, 2009, 07:20:11 PM »

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Timothy J Lawless was in the USMC from approx 1983-1993

He was also in Frankfurt Germany in 1996 Jan- June

Does this help?

LoneMonkey, I actually did a side by side of the 2 Tim Lawless's.. let me go find it
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« Reply #802 on: May 02, 2009, 07:22:11 PM »

Hi Tracy!
How ya doin?
I think some sort of summary or tree is a great idea!
I'm wondering which direction to go in myself!
If you stellar monkeysearchers are taking requests, should we start with the SO list and connect those dots first. For me, seeing those bloodlines and how close they are is one of my major objectives. We know what a pattern like that could mean..
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« Reply #803 on: May 02, 2009, 07:29:50 PM »

DD

Timothy J Lawless was in the USMC from approx 1983-1993

He was also in Frankfurt Germany in 1996 Jan- June

Does this help?

LoneMonkey, I actually did a side by side of the 2 Tim Lawless's.. let me go find it
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I think that's the one I remember...the 2 photos!

OK
So I looked into Brett Arthur Lawless - Connie and Lane's son - and he is married to Mary Elizabeth.  According to the whitepages they also have a Gary Lawless living with them.

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Mary Lawless
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1533 El Capitan St
Davis, CA 95616-6657

Household: Gary A Lawless, Marybet Lawless, Jary Roberts

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« Reply #804 on: May 02, 2009, 07:30:53 PM »

something else I have noticed is it seems like when you get to the richard birdette lawless family with bette june grimes(also married donald lafayette Johnson) things start really getting jumbled coming down this line. 

richard birdette is the uncle of CLL 
bette marries Johnson and the kids from the first marriage with richard birdette are hard to keep track of

the father of richard disappears for 20 years leaving the mother 2 of the boys.  these boys are also uncles of CLL. 

then the arrest records start in richard's kids line and it gets all messed up from there.  When bette(their mother) marries donald lafayette Johnson it gets even more weird. 

at this point we have kids missing and can't find them. 

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at this same point in time we have richard ray lawless the child rapist over in the clarkston lewiston area.  we can't find his family going up the tree.  his line is just as puzzling as richard birdettes.  Personally it would not supprise me one bit to find out these lines connect right there but we have not figured it out yet.

CCL leaves and goes to california with the harris family.  his father is the brother of richard birdette lawless.  so richard's kids are first cousins to CLL.  and it is this generation who seems to just take off all over the place and end up with the arrests, multiple marriages, lots of aliases.

then we end up with the timothy lawless/father missing gary d lawless over in napa area and then he disappears and his wife and kids end up in the central valley of california with a LOT of arrests all over. 
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the richard ray lawless child rapist is in the clarkston /lewiston area where the feds went to the church asking about CLL.  CLL's aunt bette is now a johnson, use to be married to his uncle richard lawless.  we know the johnsons have something to do with the church and that area up there in clarkston/lewiston but we don't know if bette and donald johnson are part of these johnsons. this is the line with the arrests and big mess also.

one child becames a mormon and is over in maine for some reason.  we lose him.
ccl leaves with the harris and goes to cali, so he is gone. 

the question is ... how many kids out of this line took off and why?  is gary d who we can't find, father of timothy, part of this line?  is the richard ray lawless child rapist a missing son of richard birdette lawless?

and where did the grandfather James lawless go for 20 years?

this line of lawless is all messed up. 

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one of the lawless boys way back there married someone who was a migratory farm worker.  so that might account for some of the moving. around if the kids so chose to "follow the fruit".  that would mean back and forth from washington to california, into oregon, over to montana, and some go to florida for the winter, or down to the cotton gins in arizona in the winter. 

wasn't it the wife of the missing james lawless whose family were migratory fruit workers?  if so it could make sense that some of the lawless grandkids would be migratory taking off with the grandmother's line; it is a POSSIBILITY.  I have my personal reasons for thinking this MIGHT be part of it.  the other part it appears to me is they are in trouble with the law and taking off or changing names. 

these are just some of the things I personally see going on here.  I might be wrong, but I think they whole mess is coming out of the kids who are the cousins of CLL.  it seems to start with the grandfather who disappears for 20 years, comes back leaves again, then from there down it is a mess.  this is CCL's direct lines of uncles and first cousins.  I have a feeling some of these lost cousins end up in california. 

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« Reply #805 on: May 02, 2009, 07:32:48 PM »


IMO, not the same person if Timothy Lawless is who you were thinking of:


We had picture of one of the brothers from myspace or facebook.  Not sure if that was the pimp daddy hat or the other one.  Which one was the correct brother as I would like to do a side by side with this image.  I think I am really close.

I think this guy looks a lot like the top 3 pics of the first guy!
What do you Monkeys think?




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« Reply #806 on: May 02, 2009, 07:36:18 PM »

Hi Tracy!
How ya doin?
I think some sort of summary or tree is a great idea!
I'm wondering which direction to go in myself!
If you stellar monkeysearchers are taking requests, should we start with the SO list and connect those dots first. For me, seeing those bloodlines and how close they are is one of my major objectives. We know what a pattern like that could mean..
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Which SO list?
This one?

Sex Offender Name Search
Results for "LAWLESS" on 85 database(s) Searched by Name
Name    Date Of Birth    Source
LAWLESS,BUBBA   Sep 14 1949   Texas Sex Offenders [Alias]
LAWLESS,CHAD   n/a   Wisconsin Sex Offender [alias]
LAWLESS,CHAD R   n/a   Wisconsin Sex Offender
LAWLESS,CHRISTOPHER L   Mar 16 1978   Illinois Sex Offender
LAWLESS,DAVID ANDREW   Aug 1 1965   Texas Sex Offenders [Alias]
LAWLESS,GORDON LESTER SR   Nov 19 1924   Maine Sex Offender
LAWLESS,JACK   Sep 14 1949   Texas Sex Offenders [Alias]
LAWLESS,JACK S   Sep 14 1949   Texas Sex Offenders [Alias]
LAWLESS,JACK SIDNEY   Sep 14 1949   Texas Sex Offenders
LAWLESS,JAMES CHARLES   Sep 15 1953   California Sex Offender
LAWLESS,JAMES CHARLES   n/a   California Sex Offender [alias]
LAWLESS,JAMES CHARLES   n/a   California Sex Offender [alias]
LAWLESS,JEFFERY L   n/a   Wisconsin Sex Offender [alias]
LAWLESS,JEFFERY L SR   n/a   Wisconsin Sex Offender
LAWLESS,JEFFREY L SR   n/a   Wisconsin Sex Offender [alias]
LAWLESS,JIMMY   n/a   California Sex Offender [alias]
LAWLESS,JOHN   Sep 15 1942   New York Sex Offender
LAWLESS,LARRY   Nov 27 1958   Ohio Sex Offender
LAWLESS,LARRY   Nov 27 1958   Ohio Sex Offender
LAWLESS,RICHARD KEITH   Nov 27 1957   Michigan Sex Offender
LAWLESS,RICHARD RAY   Aug 5 1948   Montana Sex Offender
LAWLESS,RICK   Nov 27 1957   Michigan Sex Offender [Alias]
LAWLESS,ROBERT ALAN   Sep 23 1983   California Sex Offender
LAWLESS,ROBERT LEE   Dec 21 1944   Texas Sex Offenders
LAWLESS,TIMOTHY R   Jul 18 1983   Maine Sex Offender
LAWLESS,WALLIE   Dec 1 1952   Iowa Sex Offender
LAWLESS,WALLIE   Dec 1 1952   Iowa Sex Offender
LAWLESS,WALLIE   Dec 1 1952   Iowa Sex Offender
LAWLESS,WILLIAM HENRY   Oct 11 1950   Oklahoma Sex Offender
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« Reply #807 on: May 02, 2009, 07:36:56 PM »

DD

Timothy J Lawless was in the USMC from approx 1983-1993

He was also in Frankfurt Germany in 1996 Jan- June

Does this help?

LoneMonkey, I actually did a side by side of the 2 Tim Lawless's.. let me go find it
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yes it does explain why he is all over the place with all those fpo addresses listed with him and his family.  I also saw where he was living in the mobiles at the marine base.  so this makes perfect sense.  and this is where he seems to hook up with cynthia marie davis.  she is there also, so I am thinking she is from missouri/illinois and he married her when he was stationed somewhere?  they might have even got married in germany? that might be why we can find no marriage.  or.. we are just missing it, but I looked ALL day non-stop for that marriage or however she fits.  I can't find one yet.  I might just be missing it though.
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« Reply #808 on: May 02, 2009, 07:49:26 PM »

All the aliases are reallly making this mind boggling    It's hard to say who is who when you are trying to pinpoint the ancestry lines.  I'm just wondering if there is a possibility that some of them may have more than one wife, or at least they seem to have more than one woman bearing children.  After reading some of the horror stories of what some people have done with their children I wonder if thats what was happening when we see some of these kids ending up with different families.  Don't know why they went to live with so and so but it sure makes me wonder.  Then when you throw in the aspect of a child pornography ring and a cult religion it really starts to look like something of that nature is going on.
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« Reply #809 on: May 02, 2009, 07:51:35 PM »

DD

Timothy J Lawless was in the USMC from approx 1983-1993

He was also in Frankfurt Germany in 1996 Jan- June

Does this help?

LoneMonkey, I actually did a side by side of the 2 Tim Lawless's.. let me go find it
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I think that's the one I remember...the 2 photos!

OK
So I looked into Brett Arthur Lawless - Connie and Lane's son - and he is married to Mary Elizabeth.  According to the whitepages they also have a Gary Lawless living with them.

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Mary Lawless
home
1533 El Capitan St
Davis, CA 95616-6657

Household: Gary A Lawless, Marybet Lawless, Jary Roberts


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« Reply #810 on: May 02, 2009, 07:54:36 PM »

Hey Monkeys
What's this starting to look like to you?
It's a MASS of info!
Any theories?

one thing that I have noticed is the parts of the family who have no arrests etc, all seem to fall in place really easily and records are easy to find.  Then when we get into an immediate family who has arrests etc, everything becomes so jumbled up with those families that you can't find who is who or where they go.  They just disappear somewhere.  Everyone starts showing up unders aka's or they don't show up at all.  Its like they know how to run, hide and change their names. 

Is there anyway you can do a summer of what you have now? Do you have a tree(s) started or in the works to show where abouts all of this is at? Maybe some of us in the peanut gallery (or the little corner playing gin, lol) can offer something?

Thanks for all of this, it is a lot of work and you have been at it for days!

first let me say this.  I do NOT think ANYONE is in the "peanut gallery".  I think everyone has talents and we all have different talents and each of us contribute how we know how.  Some of us look up stuff, some of us sort it out, some compile it, and some just look at it and will notice something that everyone has missed.  It takes us all, it really does.  What "I" have been doing is looking up a lot of docs, then I have been trying to add everything everyone else has posted.  I have been compiling all this info together to help hook from one person to the next.  There is so much info it is hard to get this all done, it takes a lot of time, but I do have a lot of this in a family tree with all the docs attached, but there is a LOT of it I still have in "notes" that I have to go through and put it in there.  ugh.  And until it is all in there it won't all hook up.  I can also see that we have this huge gap in the uncles and cousins of CLL where all the kids, first cousins of CCL go missing and get lost.  And then we have these Lawless familes in cali who pop up out of nowhere and we can't figure out where they come from.  It is very possible they hook to the ones we are missing out of washington.  but the records just are not there to hook them.  so we can't know if it is them or not.  this is what is taking so long. 

so we have the washington families disappearing, and we have the calif families popping up out of nowhere.  then we have them all changing their names and all these arrests.  ugh.  so there is no one tied together.  we have a big gap. 

what I have been doing, and I have seen northern rose doing it also, is to go all the way back one line, then start coming back down the in-laws to see if we can track them to find the missing lawlesses they are in-laws to.  that is why we are doing so many branches.  so far, we just can't find this middle link of people.  they are just nowhere to be found.  just like CLL took off with the harris family, and he is under Lane rather than clifford.  so say gary d lawless took off and uses gary, but his name is really D gary, he could be david or donald or douglas, etc, so we don't know what all he could be under.  just like the 3 lawless boys are all aka Gomes.  mother is married twice on same day once under tieken and once under short, to the same person.  ugh.  they all keep doing this and I would bet you they are doing it to stay ahead of the law.  if they ever get ahold of a fake birth certificate, which is so easy to do, or back before the 80's you could just make up a name and go get a drivers license, then we have no idea who is who.  and IF they are following the fruit, they could get lost and never be found. 
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« Reply #811 on: May 02, 2009, 08:05:14 PM »

Thanks DoubleD for that AWESOME explanation!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #812 on: May 02, 2009, 08:14:28 PM »

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It also appears as if Connie's brother Arthur DeWayne Harris is listed under DeWayne A. Harris.

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Arthur D Harris
Art A Harris
Cynthia J Harris
De W Harris
Diana L Harris
Denise M Harris
Kristina N Harris
Irene C Harris
Barbara J Harris
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« Reply #813 on: May 02, 2009, 08:23:53 PM »

I know, this must be so confusing and frustrating for you. I wish there was something I could do. I do not have access to a paid site or any site it seems I can get anywhere with. What might help though is to have someone draw a family(s) tree out so it is a visible model of what you post. I know for me I read but I cannot remember where everyone is, lol. (I look at my own kids sometimes and can't recall their names!) then with the double names and moves and 2 lines I am 
I can try to do a visual model if you would want? Blink or Klaas can send you and others  such as Nor Rose my addy. I just want to be able to help you. 

BTW, so is the child rapiest Richard CLL uncle or cousin?  Then their was a couple of pics and the men all looked related, are they related to CLL or TL? I am thinking CLL and from my perspective here, it seems there are many child molesters/rapiest  in CLL's line. But there is also many on TL?  There is that Gary Lawless



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« Reply #814 on: May 02, 2009, 08:34:17 PM »

I don't know what all NortherRose has hooked up, but I have been paying attention to what she seems to work on, and I try to work on another part but still look up records for what she is doing.  she seems to be compiling the news articles events by the dates and attaching them to the families, so I have not been doing that part.  no sense to duplicate work.  I've been trying to track through marriages, arrests, addresses, phone numbers, census etc.  so we need to get these combined and we can probably figure out more.

what I will do now is finish putting all my notes info into the family tree, I can't get is all done right now, but I can get the basic lines so everyone can understand them.  I will work on that tonight.  that way everyone can see where people start missing, and where people start popping up out of nowhere, and who we need to look for, or who we might think these are that show up in california out of nowhere. 

one thing about the wenatchee/chelan area is this.  that is one huge major area for migratory fruit people.  that is on the "circuit".  so to have many migratory families settling in that area would not be uncommon.  its a huge cherry/apple place.  I  can see why migratory fruit workers would end up there and stay there.  James Lawless came out with Nancy Rowland and her family.  he is the one who took off for 20 years.  she stayed there with 2 boys.  the other boys pretty much stayed, but their kids is where is all goes crazy.  its all these cousins of CLL. 

ok I will work on trying to do a basic out line of the family who is who and who goes where.  who gets lost.  and also the lines in cali that we don't know where they come from
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« Reply #815 on: May 02, 2009, 08:43:18 PM »

I know, this must be so confusing and frustrating for you. I wish there was something I could do. I do not have access to a paid site or any site it seems I can get anywhere with. What might help though is to have someone draw a family(s) tree out so it is a visible model of what you post. I know for me I read but I cannot remember where everyone is, lol. (I look at my own kids sometimes and can't recall their names!) then with the double names and moves and 2 lines I am 
I can try to do a visual model if you would want? Blink or Klaas can send you and others  such as Nor Rose my addy. I just want to be able to help you. 

BTW, so is the child rapiest Richard CLL uncle or cousin?  Then their was a couple of pics and the men all looked related, are they related to CLL or TL? I am thinking CLL and from my perspective here, it seems there are many child molesters/rapiest  in CLL's line. But there is also many on TL?  There is that Gary Lawless





richard ray lawless the child rapist out of clarkston/lewiston area hooks to no one YET.  but he is right there.  he also has a son with the same name so have to be careful with that.  I suspect he will hook up somewhere, but so far have not done enough work on him to see who his parents are. 

the timothy lawless with missing gary d lawless, same problem can't figure out who the parents are. 

but with both of these they are only one person away because of the ages, so if we get their parents names we can probably hook them to someone. 

let me go try to get a basic outline of the family names so you can see who related to who in the lines so you know who to look for.
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« Reply #816 on: May 02, 2009, 08:48:00 PM »

That sounds like a GREAT idea DD!
You too, Tracy!

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Are you referring to this James Lawless???


LAWLESS, JAMES CHARLES

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LYNCH, JAMES CHARLES

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« Reply #817 on: May 02, 2009, 08:51:50 PM »

I don't know what all NortherRose has hooked up, but I have been paying attention to what she seems to work on, and I try to work on another part but still look up records for what she is doing.  she seems to be compiling the news articles events by the dates and attaching them to the families, so I have not been doing that part.  no sense to duplicate work.  I've been trying to track through marriages, arrests, addresses, phone numbers, census etc.  so we need to get these combined and we can probably figure out more.

what I will do now is finish putting all my notes info into the family tree, I can't get is all done right now, but I can get the basic lines so everyone can understand them.  I will work on that tonight.  that way everyone can see where people start missing, and where people start popping up out of nowhere, and who we need to look for, or who we might think these are that show up in california out of nowhere. 

one thing about the wenatchee/chelan area is this.  that is one huge major area for migratory fruit people.  that is on the "circuit".  so to have many migratory families settling in that area would not be uncommon.  its a huge cherry/apple place.  I  can see why migratory fruit workers would end up there and stay there.  James Lawless came out with Nancy Rowland and her family.  he is the one who took off for 20 years.  she stayed there with 2 boys.  the other boys pretty much stayed, but their kids is where is all goes crazy.  its all these cousins of CLL. 

ok I will work on trying to do a basic out line of the family who is who and who goes where.  who gets lost.  and also the lines in cali that we don't know where they come from

Just want to thank you for your tireless devotion.  You have awesome monkey research powers!!!    It is so mind boggling I beleve it will be most helpful to us to see what missing links you need so we can know what direction to find them and connect the dots.
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« Reply #818 on: May 02, 2009, 09:26:14 PM »

just hitting the high points here

 Jame H lawless grandfather of CLL
Birth: 15 Mar 1865/66
Rockspring, Patrick, Virginia, United States 
Death: Nov 1945
Missouri, United States 

married 1890 in canada

1910 census they are in Malaga, Chelan, Washington

nancy hanse rowland grandmother of CLL
Birth: jan 5 1865
glasgow, barro, KY 
Death: dec 9 1945
Omark, Okanogan, WA 
   
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Mabel Pearl lawless aunt of CLL
1890 1959     
george w lawless father of CLL
1892 1969   
 john mack lawless uncle of CLL
1893 1965     
Zina Ellen lawless aunt of CLL
1895 1897   
 William Bryan lawless uncle of CLL
1897 1975     
Ralph Devere lawless uncle of CLL
1902 1963     
agnes lawless aunt of CLL
1904 1976     

Richard Birdette lawless
uncle of CLL
1910 1962
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james h lawless is the one who took off for 20 years, then came back for a few months then left again. he is the grandfather of CLL. 
george w lawless is the father of CLL

Richard Birdette is the uncle of CLL.  He is the one who married Bette June Grimes
She later married Donald Lafayette Johnson.

richard birdette Lawless 1st wife wilma toots Holt with a son "bill" Lawless

Richard Birdette Lawless
married
Bette June Grimes
children

Gerald d lawless
nancy lawless
John Lawless


Bette June Lawless/nee Grimes then married Donald Lafayette Johnson

gerald d lawless above marries luanne warner, she is arrested for fraud
their son is arrested for assault
gerald also has name of gerry and jerry(he might even be a "GARY" although I have not seen him listed as gary.  just a thought)

john lawless becomes a mormon and calls home from bangor maine
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richard ray lawless/ child rapist
clarkston/lewiston areason same name
he also has addresses over by where the other lawless families live
trying to see if he could be a son of one of the above lawless uncles of CLL
we have not tied him to anyone yet.
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Timothy Lawless/arrested 10 counts sex crimes sacramento ca
Timothy John Lawless
brothers gary duane and jeffery carl lawless

all aka gomesmother marylin elizabeth tieken/short/lawless/gomes
marries Gary D Lawless in Napa Ca
he is the father on the birth records of the 3 boys
she then married manuel gomes
she and the boys end up all over northern cali, and all in jail.
 
I have a ton of info on them.  the problem is we can't figure out who the father gary d lawless is, where he comes from.  he is in Napa california, we can't find his parents.  he could very well connect to CCL washington line but we won't know that until we find his parents.  so the main thing with this timothy john lawless line is to find the parents of gary d lawless, the father.

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we have a lot of information and documentation on all these families and their kids and grandkids, but its going to take time to get it all in a form where it is understandable, I am doing that now, but here is this for now so you have an idea who fits where.









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« Reply #819 on: May 02, 2009, 09:33:01 PM »

ooops I left carleen lawless out above she is the daughter of richard birdetter and bette june lawless.
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