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« Reply #880 on: May 03, 2009, 03:33:07 PM »

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« Reply #881 on: May 03, 2009, 04:01:59 PM »

This morning someone contacted me and said it is being said here that gary the poet is the lost gary d lawless, father of timothy john lawless arrested in sacr amento calif, for the 10 sex counts.  I personally don't know of anyone saying that, have they?

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I don't think we have been able to connect this Gary the Poet to the Tracy Lawless Family Line.  Not that I have seen so far.  He currently lives is Maine with his partner Ruth and they own a book store together.  Shortly after college he traveled to California and connected with a Zen Buddhism master.  He was described on this thread as a "beat" - beatnik.

There was a listing for a Gary Lawless in California but they appear to be 2 different people.

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« Reply #882 on: May 03, 2009, 05:49:40 PM »

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Forgive me if this has been posted and feel free to delete it....

It looks to me like Gary D. Lawless is :
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1.    LAWLESS,�GARY�DUANE (Age 43)
Associated names:
�GOMES,�GARY�
Available(4)    Available    MANTON,�CA
CORNING,�CA
REDDING,�CA
BORDEN,�IN

Possible Relatives:

GOMES,�TIMOTHY�J�(Age�44)
SCHUTZENHOFER,�CYNTHIA�MARIE�(Age�40)
LAWLESSDOLAN,�VICTORIA�R�(Age�39)
GOMES,�BURNHAM
GOMES,�MARYLIN�E�(Age�71)
LAWLESS,�SAMANTHA�TO�(Age�48)
LAWLESS,�LOWELL
LAWLESS,�LAWLESS�G
GOMES,�JEFFERY�C�(Age�41)�

Timothy J. Lawless (Gomes)----> Listed as an alias
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« Reply #883 on: May 03, 2009, 07:05:11 PM »

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I have a question.....a couple I guess.
Regarding Gary the Poet Lawless.  It is listed that his "partner" is Ruth Leonard.  However, upon searching that, what came up with hubby is Ruth Lawless. 

Upon keying in Ruth Lawless...much more info is found including her involvement in the church.
I cannot say this Gary the Poet is not Tim J.'s dad.  He might be.
What do you think?

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"Ruth Lawless is now facilitating the running of the sound
desk area so please see Ruth or myself if you can help in the audio/visual
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« Reply #884 on: May 03, 2009, 07:10:25 PM »

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Forgive me if this has been posted and feel free to delete it....

It looks to me like Gary D. Lawless is :
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http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp

1.    LAWLESS,�GARY�DUANE (Age 43)
Associated names:
�GOMES,�GARY�
Available(4)    Available    MANTON,�CA
CORNING,�CA
REDDING,�CA
BORDEN,�IN

Possible Relatives:

GOMES,�TIMOTHY�J�(Age�44)
SCHUTZENHOFER,�CYNTHIA�MARIE�(Age�40)
LAWLESSDOLAN,�VICTORIA�R�(Age�39)
GOMES,�BURNHAM
GOMES,�MARYLIN�E�(Age�71)
LAWLESS,�SAMANTHA�TO�(Age�48)
LAWLESS,�LOWELL
LAWLESS,�LAWLESS�G
GOMES,�JEFFERY�C�(Age�41)�

Timothy J. Lawless (Gomes)----> Listed as an alias


gary duane lawless 43 is the son of the MISSING gary D lawless.  gary is the brother to timothy John Lawless(10 sex cts in sacramento) and Jeffrey carl lawless, all 3 aka gomes, mother is Marylin Elizabeth Tieken/Short/Lawless/ Gomes.  you will find them in napa, glenn county, butte county(warrants and arrests), tehema county, shasta county,
but you never find the father Gary D Lawless after Napa. 

timothy is born in glenn county, the other two brothers in Napa.  The father and mother were married in Napa and divorced in Napa, and the mother was also born in Napa. the marriage is AFTER the 3 boys are born. 

so they were in glenn county some time around 1964, and in napa sometime 66-68

gary d lawless on the marriage record is born about 1933.  he is 35.  the boys were born before they were married, but the oldes is born when gary d lawless is abt 31 yrs old.  I would think it very possible gary D lawless had a previous wife and kids being he was 31.
 
these are his children with marylin elizabeth tieken
Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn
brother
Name: Gary D Lawless Gary Duane Lawless
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa
brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless  Jeffrey Carl Lawless
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa
 
mothers birth and mother's maiden name


Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

caifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968 divorce one month after marriage

she married gary d lawless under the last name of short also; on the same date
Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933 Gary born abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short  this is marylin E tieken also
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa

Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa

mother then marries Manuel Gomes
all the boys and her use the aka of gomes

Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

everyone butt the father is found in northern california with arrest records, on deeds, addresses etc.  but never the father.  sometimes it will say only gary d lawless so it is hard to know who it is.  the arrests and warrants in butte county do not give a birthdate so there is no way to know if it is the son or the father.  the person who is in the butte county court records is for dui's, drugs, and failing to register as a sex offender, and the court docs on the warrants say he might be in the alameda county jail.

 



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« Reply #885 on: May 03, 2009, 07:18:21 PM »

This morning someone contacted me and said it is being said here that gary the poet is the lost gary d lawless, father of timothy john lawless arrested in sacr amento calif, for the 10 sex counts.  I personally don't know of anyone saying that, have they?

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I don't think we have been able to connect this Gary the Poet to the Tracy Lawless Family Line.  Not that I have seen so far.  He currently lives is Maine with his partner Ruth and they own a book store together.  Shortly after college he traveled to California and connected with a Zen Buddhism master.  He was described on this thread as a "beat" - beatnik.

There was a listing for a Gary Lawless in California but they appear to be 2 different people.

Please correct me if I am wrong....
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I found him as a BEAT, but that is more than "JUST" a beatnick, it is a whole movement out of wichita kansas that went to california and back, I posted a link somewhere on here to read all about that.  it is very interesting.  he was living with gary snyder who was connected to allan ghinsberg, it's a whole 50's-60's thing out of san fran/berkeley LOL  just interesting, doesn't mean anything one way or the other as far as anything.  I just am interested in the beats is all, and that whole time period.

I have not researched the gary the poet line at all and I was sure no one posted on here that he was our lost gary d lawless, father of timothy john lawless, 10 sex charges in sac jail.  But someone contacted me and said it was being said on this forum they were one in the same, so I thought I better ask if anyone was saying that, although I read all of this thread and had not noticed that, but I might miss something 

thanks for clearing that up for everyone
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« Reply #886 on: May 03, 2009, 07:21:40 PM »

DoubleD
I have a question.....a couple I guess.
Regarding Gary the Poet Lawless.  It is listed that his "partner" is Ruth Leonard.  However, upon searching that, what came up with hubby is Ruth Lawless. 

Upon keying in Ruth Lawless...much more info is found including her involvement in the church.
I cannot say this Gary the Poet is not Tim J.'s dad.  He might be.
What do you think?

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"Ruth Lawless is now facilitating the running of the sound
desk area so please see Ruth or myself if you can help in the audio/visual
areas"

oh gee, so here we are back to a MAYBE? LOL

ok lost gary d lawless is born abt 1933, when is gary the poet born?
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« Reply #887 on: May 03, 2009, 07:27:48 PM »

I just had a thought... which might not be a good thing 

but... gary d lawless marries the mother of the 3 boys AFTER all 3 boys are born.  on the records it does not state the fathers name, only the mothers maiden name.  same maiden name on all 3, and the marriage license matches the names to the boys.  the marriage license has the information of Gary D lawless.  what if he is not the father, what if it is a different lawless, maybe he ran off and she married a brother?  maybe the kids are a different lawless?   

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« Reply #888 on: May 03, 2009, 07:36:44 PM »

is anyone near glenn county or napa? if so, someone could just go to the courthouse and pull up the marriage license and the info will all be on there.  there will probably be the parents of each of the parties who are being married.  and on the birth certificates of timothy, gary duane, and jeffrey carl will be the parents and more info for them.  it will tell their occupations, their addresses at the time, and it might tell their parents parents names.  it would save us all this work, IF someone lives close.
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« Reply #889 on: May 03, 2009, 07:47:34 PM »

here is something else.
she was 30 when married in 1968, so she was 26 when timothy was born, so was she married before she was 26 to anyone and does she have other kids. 
also, why does she marry gary d lawless under the name of tieken and also under the name of SHORT the very same day?  so was she married to a SHORT before this and so the marrige record got put under both names of tieken AND Short?
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here is something else.
she was 30 when married in 1968, so she was 26 when timothy was born, so was she married before she was 26 to anyone and does she have other kids. 
also, why does she marry gary d lawless under the name of tieken and also under the name of SHORT the very same day?  so was she married to a SHORT before this and so the marrige record got put under both names of tieken AND Short?

DD, some things I've been wondering about.  She marries gary d lawless under the name of tieken, and under the name of short, both on the same day.  When she divorced gary d lawless the next month, does it show divorced under both of the last names she used, or was that necessary?  Just wondering if she's still considered married to gary d lawless under one name while divorced from him under the other name.  Does that make sense?  In other words, would she be legally divorced from gary d lawless?  Able to legally freely marry the next guy as she did?   



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« Reply #891 on: May 03, 2009, 08:45:52 PM »

Don'tcha kind of feel like Alice In Wonderland!!!!
It's mind boggling.  By the way, the link I gave for Ruth Lawless being in the church may be incorrect.  Because when I checked the link I noticed the church was in Australia...they do have missionaries in the Phillipines.  But so do a lot of religions, I guess.

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« Reply #892 on: May 03, 2009, 08:48:11 PM »

here is something else.
she was 30 when married in 1968, so she was 26 when timothy was born, so was she married before she was 26 to anyone and does she have other kids. 
also, why does she marry gary d lawless under the name of tieken and also under the name of SHORT the very same day?  so was she married to a SHORT before this and so the marrige record got put under both names of tieken AND Short?

DD, some things I've been wondering about.  She marries gary d lawless under the name of tieken, and under the name of short, both on the same day.  When she divorced gary d lawless the next month, does it show divorced under both of the last names she used, or was that necessary?  Just wondering if she's still considered married to gary d lawless under one name while divorced from him under the other name.  Does that make sense?  In other words, would she be legally divorced from gary d lawless?  Able to legally freely marry the next guy as she did?   


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Those are very good questions!
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« Reply #894 on: May 03, 2009, 08:56:57 PM »

just making some notes

sutter and yuba directories 1936
john d lawless - a miner

napa city directory
1937
carl D Tieken(Pauline) mech Ferrari & Domeniconi h 1732 York

19391150 Bell Ave(Bauer Tract)
Carl Tieken
carl D Tieken(Pauline) mech Ferrari & Domeniconi 1150 Bell Ave

1942
carl D Tieken(Pauline) mech Ferrari & Domeniconi 1150 Bell Ave
C D tieken 1150 bella av (Bauer Tract)
1942
Fresno
Wm H Tieken(Elsa) dep Sheriff  rt 2 bx 81


california voters registration 1900-1968
1922-1936 and 1936-1944
Carl D Tieken -- dem -- Napa

Napa city directory 193-1949
Carl D Tieken

California Divorce Index, 1966-1984
about Christin H Tieken
Name: Christin H Tieken
Spouse Name: Randy G Shull
Location: Napa 
Date: May 1972


 California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Christine Helen Tieken
Name: Christine Helen Tieken
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1952
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Jensen 
Birth County: Solano  this is where timothy's mother marylin elizabeth tieken married manuel gomes

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Timothy Tieken
Name: Timothy Tieken
Birth Date: 18 Jul 1956
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Naumann 
Birth County: Sonoma  


California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about David Tieken
Name: David Tieken
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1958
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Naumann 
Birth County: Sonoma  
 
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Tiffany Lee Tieken
Name: Tiffany Lee Tieken
Birth Date: 30 Apr 1987
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Derosa  
Birth County: Sonoma 
 
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Ashley Teresa Tieken
Name: Ashley Teresa Tieken
Birth Date: 14 Jun 1989
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Derosa  
Birth County: Sonoma 
 
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Brittany Lynn Tieken
Name: Brittany Lynn Tieken
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1992
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Derosa 
Birth County: Sonoma 
 
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Brian K Shull
Name: Brian K Shull
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1971
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken 
Birth County: Napa  
 
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Diana L Slator
Name: Diana L Slator didn't we have this with a lawless name?
Birth Date: 14 May 1961
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken 
Birth County: Los Angeles 
 



 
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Karen M Tieken
Name: Karen M Tieken
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1957
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Jensen  
Birth County: Napa  


 













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« Reply #895 on: May 03, 2009, 09:04:03 PM »

here is something else.
she was 30 when married in 1968, so she was 26 when timothy was born, so was she married before she was 26 to anyone and does she have other kids. 
also, why does she marry gary d lawless under the name of tieken and also under the name of SHORT the very same day?  so was she married to a SHORT before this and so the marrige record got put under both names of tieken AND Short?

DD, some things I've been wondering about.  She marries gary d lawless under the name of tieken, and under the name of short, both on the same day.  When she divorced gary d lawless the next month, does it show divorced under both of the last names she used, or was that necessary?  Just wondering if she's still considered married to gary d lawless under one name while divorced from him under the other name.  Does that make sense?  In other words, would she be legally divorced from gary d lawless?  Able to legally freely marry the next guy as she did?   





I have no idea if she divorced under short.  5 yrs later she marries manuel gomes. 
I have not researched her under short yet.  I am wondering if she was married to a short before she married gary.  her oldest lawless child, timothy, was born when she was 26.  it makes sense she could have a marriage before they were born, or even other children for that matter.  it was the 60's, who is 26 in the bay area and not have kids back then ?  not many .  seems also that gary was 31 when timothy is born, being the oldest we find, so did gary d lawless have a previous wife and kids also?  he probably did.

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« Reply #896 on: May 03, 2009, 09:19:02 PM »

this is the mother of marylin elizabeth tieken.
this is the maternal grandmother of timothy, gary(the son) and jeffrey

California Death Index, 1940-1997
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Name: Pauline B Tieken
Social Security #: XXXXXXXX  ( I remembered hehe)
Sex: FEMALE 
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1907
Birthplace: Missouri  
Death Date: 22 Oct 1976
Death Place: Glenn  this is where timothy was born, glenn couthy CA
 
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« Reply #897 on: May 03, 2009, 09:27:09 PM »

here is something else.
she was 30 when married in 1968, so she was 26 when timothy was born, so was she married before she was 26 to anyone and does she have other kids. 
also, why does she marry gary d lawless under the name of tieken and also under the name of SHORT the very same day?  so was she married to a SHORT before this and so the marrige record got put under both names of tieken AND Short?

DD, some things I've been wondering about.  She marries gary d lawless under the name of tieken, and under the name of short, both on the same day.  When she divorced gary d lawless the next month, does it show divorced under both of the last names she used, or was that necessary?  Just wondering if she's still considered married to gary d lawless under one name while divorced from him under the other name.  Does that make sense?  In other words, would she be legally divorced from gary d lawless?  Able to legally freely marry the next guy as she did?   





I have no idea if she divorced under short.  5 yrs later she marries manuel gomes. 
I have not researched her under short yet.  I am wondering if she was married to a short before she married gary.  her oldest lawless child, timothy, was born when she was 26.  it makes sense she could have a marriage before they were born, or even other children for that matter.  it was the 60's, who is 26 in the bay area and not have kids back then ?  not many .  seems also that gary was 31 when timothy is born, being the oldest we find, so did gary d lawless have a previous wife and kids also?  he probably did.

what a mess 

A huge mess indeed!  Add to the mess, back in the 60s in that area, 'free love' and all, we need'nt expect that every child born was from the sancticty of marriage, or even from the current husband.  Sure throws off recordkeeping! 

I know a man who had sev kids with his first wife, naming the oldest boy after him, a Jr.  That marriage didn't last, the kids stayed with his ex.  He remarries, has a second set of children with the next wife.  Names their oldest boy after him, another Jr!!   Two sons with the exact same name.  Have always wondered how that would confuse someone down the road trying to do genealogy for that family.  And figure it likely has happened in other families as well. 

 
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Omigosh!!  I just saw our new monkey icon!!  MWAHAHAHAHA!!  too funny!! 

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« Reply #899 on: May 03, 2009, 09:33:32 PM »

here is something else.
she was 30 when married in 1968, so she was 26 when timothy was born, so was she married before she was 26 to anyone and does she have other kids. 
also, why does she marry gary d lawless under the name of tieken and also under the name of SHORT the very same day?  so was she married to a SHORT before this and so the marrige record got put under both names of tieken AND Short?

oh the nightmares I could tell you.  I know of a guy who has 21 kids at the last count years ago and I think he has had a few more.  ugh.  he married his second wife under a name he told her was his, it was not, all her kids have that fake name on the kids birth certificates.  it was 10 years into their marriage she found out that was not his name, but the other name he goes by is not his either, but one son also has that name too, another son has the 1st fake name.  the wife uses her middle name on everything so she shows up as someone else.  his father has the same real name as he does but he also uses another name.  then one of the kids married the daughter or his aunt in law which.  by the way, I saw some of there last names with the lawless line 
DD, some things I've been wondering about.  She marries gary d lawless under the name of tieken, and under the name of short, both on the same day.  When she divorced gary d lawless the next month, does it show divorced under both of the last names she used, or was that necessary?  Just wondering if she's still considered married to gary d lawless under one name while divorced from him under the other name.  Does that make sense?  In other words, would she be legally divorced from gary d lawless?  Able to legally freely marry the next guy as she did?   





I have no idea if she divorced under short.  5 yrs later she marries manuel gomes. 
I have not researched her under short yet.  I am wondering if she was married to a short before she married gary.  her oldest lawless child, timothy, was born when she was 26.  it makes sense she could have a marriage before they were born, or even other children for that matter.  it was the 60's, who is 26 in the bay area and not have kids back then ?  not many .  seems also that gary was 31 when timothy is born, being the oldest we find, so did gary d lawless have a previous wife and kids also?  he probably did.

what a mess 

A huge mess indeed!  Add to the mess, back in the 60s in that area, 'free love' and all, we need'nt expect that every child born was from the sancticty of marriage, or even from the current husband.  Sure throws off recordkeeping! 

I know a man who had sev kids with his first wife, naming the oldest boy after him, a Jr.  That marriage didn't last, the kids stayed with his ex.  He remarries, has a second set of children with the next wife.  Names their oldest boy after him, another Jr!!   Two sons with the exact same name.  Have always wondered how that would confuse someone down the road trying to do genealogy for that family.  And figure it likely has happened in other families as well. 

 
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